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Reply #15 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue.

The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

Muslim communities are failing

they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree,

when was the last time you went to a Mosque?.....

or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???..

do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. Roll Eyes

just like these Imams are.. so they claim...

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.c...

I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm.

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Reply #16 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

mothra wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism?

The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it.

And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.

Terrorism benefits all muslims.

Just, wow.

One can only hope that he's typing his paranoid delusions from inside a very secure facility.

its no different to you claiming abuse from people you have never met over and obsessively over.and over again.......paranoid?mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Reply #17 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:33pm

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A LOGAN duo are facing child genital mutilation charges following police investigations.

Detectives from the Logan District Child Protection and Investigation Unit have charged a 53-year-old man and a 41-year-old woman following investigations into allegations of female genital mutilation of two girls aged nine and 12.

Police conducted a joint investigation with other agencies after allegations that the young girls were removed from Queensland in April 2015 and taken to Africa for the procedure.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/logan/logan-pair-facing-genital-mutilati...

I am guessing, muslims

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Reply #18 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:34pm

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 11:44am:

but none of these problems would have occurred if Australia had never let Muslims into OZ in the first place.

Yep, they would have, you would have just been posting about a different group to target for all the problems...

how would these problems occur had muzzies never been let in here ?

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Reply #19 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 7:45pm

mothra wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:35pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Firstly, would you prefer the Government do nothing about terrorism?

The government has entered into a partnership with the muslim to encourage more terrorism in Australia, it does this through immigration (there can be absolutely no doubt at all that a certain % of muslim immigrants are pro terror), so the government is not only doing nothing about terror right now it is actually encouraging more of it.

And when we have the inevitable terror attack the government will throw yet more money at the muslim in order to bribe them to stop, this will just embolden the muslim to force the government to make more concessions, who knows, maybe sharia law under the excuse that it will help contain the radical element.

Terrorism benefits all muslims.

Just, wow.

Yes its mind blowing once you have it explained to you isn't it.

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Reply #20 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:38am

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue.

The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

Muslim communities are failing

they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree,

when was the last time you went to a Mosque?.....

or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???..

do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. Roll Eyes

just like these Imams are.. so they claim...

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.c...

I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm.

Sprint was all prepped to start a conversation with a muslim at his work, but tragically that muslim moved job, and this great opportunity was missed. But its the thought that counts.

True story - detailed in a thread described by FD as "an interesting discussion" about getting sprint to talk to muslims.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #21 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:42am

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:38am:

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:44am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 10:24am:

Muslim communities are leading the fight against terrorism. Support services, deradicalisation programs, education in schools and mosques that preach against violence and extremism - all muslim initiatives. Imams, muslim social workers, muslim academics and researchers - are never shy to open up conversations with the community and explain their work and the issues they face. Barely a day goes by when you don't see one of them in the media raising awareness and advocating their work. So you'd have to literally be living in a cave to not be aware of the hard work being done within the muslim community to tackle this issue.

The problem though is that the radicals are always, without fail, outside the mainstream muslim community - they shun the mosques, shun the Imams and volunteers who teach against terrorist ideology. Time and time again the profile of the "radicalised youth" is the same - they avoid the mosques and seek out radical freelancers. Every police and intelligence assessment backs this up. Often, as was the case with Monis, the mainstream muslim community identifies a threat, reports it to police, who then sit on their hands. Monis held up the cafe while he was out on bail for accessory to murder. In what twisted world is "the muslim community" responsible for that?

Muslim communities are failing

they do seem to be failing in getting through to you sprint I agree,

when was the last time you went to a Mosque?.....

or do you just take the word from someone who claims to be a spokes person for them all???..

do you agree with everything turnbull says.. or maybe gillard said of course you didnt but they are speaking for all Australians....so they claim.. Roll Eyes

just like these Imams are.. so they claim...

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.prays.with.imam.in.car.says.c...

I dont know what faith if any you follow sprint,.,. but a leaf out of Pope Francis book wouldnt do you any harm.

Sprint was all prepped to start a conversation with a muslim at his work, but tragically that muslim moved job, and this great opportunity was missed. But its the thought that counts.

True story - detailed in a thread described by FD as "an interesting discussion" about getting sprint to talk to muslims.

It wouldn't have been with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males. Daddy wouldn't like it.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143967 Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #22 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am double plus good wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:42am: It wouldn't have been with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males. Complete nonsense. I talk to Muslim women every day. Stop watching A Current Affair.
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #23 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:06am greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am: I talk to Muslim women every day. Do you work for centrelink?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143967 Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #24 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:09am innocentbystander. wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 10:06am: greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am: I talk to Muslim women every day. Do you work for centrelink? Does anyone work for Centrelink?
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Steampipe Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1914 WA Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #25 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm One thing that cant be denied is that extremists are spawned from Islam, Islam is the cornerstone of almost all extremists. There is something wrong with Islam for there to be so many extremists emanating from its teachings, this is a internal Islamic problem and something that needs to be accepted by Muslims.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143967 Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #26 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm Steampipe wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm: One thing that cant be denied is that extremists are spawned from Islam. Correct. Steampipe wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm: Islam is the cornerstone of almost all extremists. Incorrect.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19466 Gender:	Re: islam and terrorism Reply #27 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am: I talk to Muslim women every day. Does talking to a muslim woman make you an expert on Islam? If I talk to a Christian every day can that make me an expert on Christianity?
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Reply #28 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50am:

I talk to Muslim women every day.

Does talking to a muslim woman make you an expert on Islam?

Nope. Not even close.

However, that wasn't what was being discussed.

Pay attention, and I'll explain it to you (don't worry - I'll type slowly, so you can keep up).

double plus good said: "It wouldn't have been with a female. They don't talk to non muslim males"

And, I replied: "Complete nonsense. I talk to Muslim women every day."

The fact that I hold conversations with 4 or 5 Muslim women every single day, coupled with the fact that I am not a Muslim, makes DPG's statement complete nonsense.

No mention of being an expert on Islam.

Capiche?

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Reply #29 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 1:59pm

Islamic Movement leader blames West for 'religious wars'

Deputy leader Kamal Khatib claims Paris attacks are 'nothing' compared to Protestant-Catholic conflicts, persecution of Muslims

Deputy Leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel Sheikh Kamal Khatib blamed the West for the world's religious wars, in a fiery Friday sermon at the Omar Ibn Al-Khattab Mosque in Kafr Kana last week, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reports.
"Their hearts are full of hatred and animosity, yet they talk about human rights," Khatib began.

He then listed a long history of atrocities the Christians - factually or allegedly - committed against Muslims, including the Spanish Inquisition.

"They would look for homes in which the lights were on early in the morning, in order to check if people had gotten up to pray, or for people wearing clean clothes on Fridays, whom they suspected of honoring this day," he said. "They would search for anyone who kept torn bits of Quran pages in his home, or anyone whose name sounded Muslim… They would kill them, burn them, slaughter them, and drag their bodies through the streets. This is what they did to us."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/204303#.Vl-7-50_WUk

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