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Reply #225 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:12am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

It's easier to just blame males (whites ones of course, double points if they're Christian) and then go on asking for governments grants while having no intention of stopping anything. This way, feminists can continually appear as morally superior and get jobs and rich in the process.

so victims should blame themselves?? WTF!

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Reply #226 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

is it really on the rise

No. It's just like how people think violence on the streets is increasing, but has actually been on a long, steady decline since...forever.

We live in the safest time there has ever been.

but...SO MANY MUSLIMS???

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Reply #227 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

We live in the safest time there has ever been.

I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous

Well obviously it's not great, but this "any cost if it saves just one life" mentality has gone to absurd lengths.

You can't save everyone from themselves, no matter how much you try.

again blaming the victim.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #228 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:12am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

It's easier to just blame males (whites ones of course, double points if they're Christian) and then go on asking for governments grants while having no intention of stopping anything. This way, feminists can continually appear as morally superior and get jobs and rich in the process.

so victims should blame themselves?? WTF!

Misty is out of his ever-loving mind Alevine. Any excuse to blame feminists and he's all in.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #229 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:17am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:54am:

I note a few people are speaking about "emotional triggers"

Again there are two sides of this story.

Side 1 - don't poke the bear
We all know instances where those closest to us knows our "triggers" and they mercilessly and deliberately push those buttons over and over and over again. They push you to the point where you lose control

Side 2 - no excuses
The aggressor often times us the excuse that he/she pushed me for their inability to control their hair trigger

We all know the truth is somewhere in-between these two sides

As I said in my first post - it's complicated

thanks for the psychology lesson.

It's really not complicated. If you physically or emotionally abuse someone then you're a fckwit. End of story.

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Reply #230 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

I would ,like to think....that anyone who is bashed repeatedly ... would know which

BUTTONS NOT TO PUSH..

it isnt rocket science is it??....someone bad and mean uses any excuse I am afraid...

some people take what happens outside the home... home with them and punish their families for it....

look at road rage for instance...its out of control...

this anger/rage is not just in the home...but its there it is doing enormous damage..

*sigh* beyond hilarious garbage.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #231 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

We live in the safest time there has ever been.

I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous

Well obviously it's not great, but this "any cost if it saves just one life" mentality has gone to absurd lengths.

You can't save everyone from themselves, no matter how much you try.

again blaming the victim.

I see a tremendous amount of that on here.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #232 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:22am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am:

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

I would ,like to think....that anyone who is bashed repeatedly ... would know which

BUTTONS NOT TO PUSH..

it isnt rocket science is it??....someone bad and mean uses any excuse I am afraid...

some people take what happens outside the home... home with them and punish their families for it....

look at road rage for instance...its out of control...

this anger/rage is not just in the home...but its there it is doing enormous damage..

*sigh* beyond hilarious garbage.

I think Cods is saying that women who are the victims of violence, despite what some on here would argue, do not tend to provoke.

It is often leveled at women on threads such as these that women "ask for it". Cods is saying that women in such situations are usually well versed in not pushing their partners buttons. That the buttons are pushed regardless of how the woman behaves.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #233 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:22am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

As for women wanting equality but not wanting to be hit, you need to think about the playing field. Men are, usually, considerably bigger and stronger than women. That is not to say a woman cant deliver a good hit but the chances are if a man then hits a woman in return, he is likely to do much more damage than she did. That is why it is not ok to hit women. It's just not good to wallop someone smaller than you.

Then it should be about big person walloping a smaller person and not about men hitting women because there are some women who are larger than men

As I said - I don't agree with "you can't hit a woman under any condition"

I question "reasonable force" for retaliation

Bottom line is - if the woman did not hit the man then there is no issue about retaliation with reasonable force

DON'T HIT!!! Women or men!!

Scenario 1
If a man hit a woman first - it's assault against the man. She's got to gauge whether to retaliate. He's already broken the law by hitting you so what are the chances he'll hit you more if you retaliate

Scenario 2
If a woman hit a man - it's assault against the woman. He's got to gauge whether he wants to retaliate. If he retaliate then there are some rules around that if he's bigger than her. But then again she might pull a gun on him

There are now prescribed rules for when it's okay to hit someone? Last I checked, if you get assaulted it doesn't give you a free pass to assault back. What are these rules, the 'maqqa playbook on life?' Which is completely juvenile and wrong, may I add.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #234 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:24am

mothra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:22am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am:

cods wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

I would ,like to think....that anyone who is bashed repeatedly ... would know which

BUTTONS NOT TO PUSH..

it isnt rocket science is it??....someone bad and mean uses any excuse I am afraid...

some people take what happens outside the home... home with them and punish their families for it....

look at road rage for instance...its out of control...

this anger/rage is not just in the home...but its there it is doing enormous damage..

*sigh* beyond hilarious garbage.

I think Cods is saying that women who are the victims of violence, despite what some on here would argue, do not tend to provoke.

It is often leveled at women on threads such as these that women "ask for it". Cods is saying that women in such situations are usually well versed in not pushing their partners buttons. That the buttons are pushed regardless of how the woman behaves.

Ah, ok. I took it as cods saying someone who is bashed repeatedly should learn not to push buttons.

In that case, cods, I apologise. Wholeheartedly.

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Reply #235 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:26am

mothra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:12am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

It's easier to just blame males (whites ones of course, double points if they're Christian) and then go on asking for governments grants while having no intention of stopping anything. This way, feminists can continually appear as morally superior and get jobs and rich in the process.

so victims should blame themselves?? WTF!

Misty is out of his ever-loving mind Alevine. Any excuse to blame feminists and he's all in.

He must have been really hard done once upon a time, to be this jaded.

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Reply #236 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:28am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:22am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 3:47pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:

As for women wanting equality but not wanting to be hit, you need to think about the playing field. Men are, usually, considerably bigger and stronger than women. That is not to say a woman cant deliver a good hit but the chances are if a man then hits a woman in return, he is likely to do much more damage than she did. That is why it is not ok to hit women. It's just not good to wallop someone smaller than you.

Then it should be about big person walloping a smaller person and not about men hitting women because there are some women who are larger than men

As I said - I don't agree with "you can't hit a woman under any condition"

I question "reasonable force" for retaliation

Bottom line is - if the woman did not hit the man then there is no issue about retaliation with reasonable force

DON'T HIT!!! Women or men!!

Scenario 1
If a man hit a woman first - it's assault against the man. She's got to gauge whether to retaliate. He's already broken the law by hitting you so what are the chances he'll hit you more if you retaliate

Scenario 2
If a woman hit a man - it's assault against the woman. He's got to gauge whether he wants to retaliate. If he retaliate then there are some rules around that if he's bigger than her. But then again she might pull a gun on him

There are now prescribed rules for when it's okay to hit someone? Last I checked, if you get assaulted it doesn't give you a free pass to assault back. What are these rules, the 'maqqa playbook on life?' Which is completely juvenile and wrong, may I add.

Like i said, you walk away.

Self defence is an entirely different argument but hitting somebody because they hit you makes you every bit as buggered up as they are.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #237 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:28am

mothra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

We live in the safest time there has ever been.

I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous

Well obviously it's not great, but this "any cost if it saves just one life" mentality has gone to absurd lengths.

You can't save everyone from themselves, no matter how much you try.

again blaming the victim.

I see a tremendous amount of that on here.

They really can't help themselves can they.

Domestic violence = feminism gone wild and if it happens it must be the fault of woman. You can't save these domestic violence loving women from themselves.

How crazy.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #238 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:29am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:26am:

mothra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:12am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 9:29pm:

It's easier to just blame males (whites ones of course, double points if they're Christian) and then go on asking for governments grants while having no intention of stopping anything. This way, feminists can continually appear as morally superior and get jobs and rich in the process.

so victims should blame themselves?? WTF!

Misty is out of his ever-loving mind Alevine. Any excuse to blame feminists and he's all in.

He must have been really hard done once upon a time, to be this jaded.

THere's a few men on here tat fit that bill.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #239 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:30am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:28am:

mothra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 2:14am:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:33pm:

... wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:

We live in the safest time there has ever been.

I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous

Well obviously it's not great, but this "any cost if it saves just one life" mentality has gone to absurd lengths.

You can't save everyone from themselves, no matter how much you try.

again blaming the victim.

I see a tremendous amount of that on here.

They really can't help themselves can they.

Domestic violence = feminism gone wild and if it happens it must be the fault of woman. You can't save these domestic violence loving women from themselves.

How crazy.

It's absurd isn't it?

And foremost in the fight against family violence perpetrated against men is feminists.

THese guys don;t know what they are talking about.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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