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Reply #150 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:44am

]Nobody ignores that - but we also never hear of the men killed - EVER. Let alone the men thrown out of their homes and subjected to violence by the courts and others, including the curtailment of their opportunity to earn a decent living. [/quote]

Oh right... a man guilty of violence against his family ..even their deaths.. shouldn't be punished. He should just be able to get on earning HIS money ,

You are a seriously deluded individual.. I don't like to get personal BUT IN YOUR CASE I"LL MAKE AN EXCEPTION.

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Reply #151 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:50am

mothra wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:41am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

I've also posted for you the simple reality that - in terms of FAMILY violence - women far outweigh men in the killings and abuse of children, especially when it comes to natural mothers and natural fathers.

Who speaks for these children while the heroic women gladiators continue to assault men as their chosen path to power and control over society?

I Do!

And that is why I will continue to oppose these heroic women gladiators at every turn.

No. You;ve never been able to substantiate that. The best you could come up with is a couple of recent grisly cases.

Play fair Grap.

The figures on child killings to date in 2015 show that women far outweigh natural fathers in the killing of their own children. Inescapable.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-24/domestic-violence-findings-nsw-police-trai...

This is a fudge - where it refers to children killed by a parent - no attempt is made to show Which Parent - in seven out of eight cases it is the mother, either acting alone or in concert with the 'new lion' in her 'pride', or by a 'step-father' acting alone.

Shows some serious deficiencies in our current social milieu for the peasants.... since all the 'better classes' don;t have 'new lions' - if they did where would the money come from?

Those figures leave 46 men killed in DV incidents - again without reference to perpetrator.

You can always safely assume that where there is no reference to indicate preponderance of perpetrators - you are being sold a pup.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #152 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:51am

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:44am:

]Nobody ignores that - but we also never hear of the men killed - EVER. Let alone the men thrown out of their homes and subjected to violence by the courts and others, including the curtailment of their opportunity to earn a decent living.

Oh right... a man guilty of violence against his family ..even their deaths.. shouldn't be punished. He should just be able to get on earning HIS money ,

You are a seriously deluded individual.. I don't like to get personal BUT IN YOUR CASE I"LL MAKE AN EXCEPTION. [/quote]

Who said that? But should a man NOT guilty of violence against his family be punished? THAT is the real issue.

Now stick with the issues and don't make it personal - though you seem unaware of the realities of genuine as opposed to 'apprehended' violence......

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #153 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:55am iT DOESN"T MATTER what you choose to name it... the facts remain indisputable. IF you have some proof that women are responsible for more FAMILY VIOLENCE than men , I suggest you put up or shut up Gappler.
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Reply #154 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:59am

Domestic violence is not complicated at all.

As long as the governments of this country use it as the avenue to disempower a specified section of their own society - that section most likely to oppose tyranny by that same government - and as the avenue to create a tame society of beaten-down individuals on one side and a paid-off segment on the 'other' side, thus creating the very real justification for reducing 49% of the population to powerlessness and induced poverty - there will be no force left in this society to challenge those very same governments when they over-step their position and seek to impose a controlled society on all those they seek to control for the benefit of those holding the reins in that same government.

Nothing hard about it at all. 'domestic violence' is the spearpoint of tyranny.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 87684 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #155 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:59am Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:55am: iT DOESN"T MATTER what you choose to name it... the facts remain indisputable. IF you have some proof that women are responsible for more FAMILY VIOLENCE than men , I suggest you put up or shut up Gappler. Already posted many times.
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Reply #156 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:11am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

Domestic violence is not complicated at all.

As long as the governments of this country use it as the avenue to disempower a specified section of their own society - that section most likely to oppose tyranny by that same government - and as the avenue to create a tame society of beaten-down individuals on one side and a paid-off segment on the 'other' side, thus creating the very real justification for reducing 49% of the population to powerlessness and induced poverty - there will be no force left in this society to challenge those very same governments when they over-step their position and seek to impose a controlled society on all those they seek to control for the benefit of those holding the reins in that same government.

Nothing hard about it at all. 'domestic violence' is the spearpoint of tyranny.

An interesting take. So the government is deliberately disenpowering men, and unreasonably empowering women, to dampen public political power.? Is that a fair summary?????

Well then.. why blame women.? Government is run by Men.
You claim that Men are the natural leaders ( or somesuch garbage) ..so what is your problem?. It MUST be good if MEN are doing it, right,.?

Oh hang on.. that doesn't really make sense does it.?

So.. you aren't actually opposed to gender equality... you are complaining about the MEN who run YOUR life.!! Well SUCK IT UP.!! GET USED TO IT. That is what YOU WANT, after all. So you don't like the outcomes..??
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Reply #157 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:20am

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:11am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

Domestic violence is not complicated at all.

As long as the governments of this country use it as the avenue to disempower a specified section of their own society - that section most likely to oppose tyranny by that same government - and as the avenue to create a tame society of beaten-down individuals on one side and a paid-off segment on the 'other' side, thus creating the very real justification for reducing 49% of the population to powerlessness and induced poverty - there will be no force left in this society to challenge those very same governments when they over-step their position and seek to impose a controlled society on all those they seek to control for the benefit of those holding the reins in that same government.

Nothing hard about it at all. 'domestic violence' is the spearpoint of tyranny.

An interesting take. So the government is deliberately disenpowering men, and unreasonably empowering women, to dampen public political power.? Is that a fair summary?????

Well then.. why blame women.? Government is run by Men.
You claim that Men are the natural leaders ( or somesuch garbage) ..so what is your problem?. It MUST be good if MEN are doing it, right,.?

Oh hang on.. that doesn't really make sense does it.?

So.. you aren't actually opposed to gender equality... you are complaining about the MEN who run YOUR life.!! Well SUCK IT UP.!! GET USED TO IT. That is what YOU WANT, after all. So you don't like the outcomes..??
Tough titties Grin

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Correct - and I'm not blaming women - merely pointing out the facts.,

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #158 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:27am Facts are interesting things aren't they? So, if your personal gripe is about the govt, why are you trying to undermine what can only be a good thing............. which is..? ... acknowledging and seeking to minimise the endemic violence so common in human relationships in our country.?
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Reply #159 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:31am

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:27am:

Facts are interesting things aren't they?

So, if your personal gripe is about the govt, why are you trying to undermine what can only be a good thing............. which is..?

... acknowledging and seeking to minimise the endemic violence so common in human relationships in our country.?

Everything I've written is about reducing real violence, whether it be from individual or the State.

You simply cannot reduce violence by pouring more and more violence into the equation, such as by installing laws (small 'l' intended) that permit the State unmitigated violence against a chosen demographic as its (alone) chosen means to control violence.

That - as I've said before - is like bombing Pearl Harbour to achieve peace in the Pacific.

When will governments and their useful idiots ever learn?

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #160 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:46am well Grappler.. When will governments and their useful idiots ever learn? If history provides any clues, I'd say the answer to that is 'never'.
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Reply #161 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:51am

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:46am:

well Grappler..

When will governments and their useful idiots ever learn?

If history provides any clues, I'd say the answer to that is 'never'.

Yes - how true. And while ever governments continue to stamp on people to beat them into line and use legal chicanery to take away their humanity - there is no end in sight.

I had a girlfriend at the time that a woman was shot and killed in Parramatta - we both shook our heads, and said - "If only they'd been able to talk about it."

Oh, well.

I've dealt with intransigent people a lot in my life.... and their attitude never brings a result at all - just more of the same. I refer to governments here and the way they thrive on pitting people against one another.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 87684 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #162 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:53am We always end up agreeing, Emma. I'm happy with that.... I just wish there were answers that we could help put in place - but I think nobody really listens.
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Reply #163 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:01am

But to continue on topic... violence by family against their own is nothing new.

Particularly when it comes to violence towards women and children, historically speaking.

These issues have remained mostly unmitigated by society, until recently.

The current drive against domestic violence is a direct result of the horror that has been TV News . Things that were never reported or remarked upon before, are now daily fodder for our TV News. People who lived a peaceful happy life are now aware that they are fortunate, and many, if not most, others are not so fortunate. When you see everyday the reports of murders, murder/suicides..etc it becomes an obligation on society as a whole, to DO SOMETHING.!

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Reply #164 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:08am

Yes - but what? Unless the entire range of issues is aired openly and honestly, and not along the current line of only 'stamping out man v woman violence as the first priority' - something from which, in 23 years, we have never progressed beyond other than to find new 'definitions' of 'violence by men against women', accompanied by a campaign of violence against men - how is there to ever be any positive movement forward?

Heaping more and more violence on men is only going to create more and more violence.... because it IS violence writ large and will engender retaliation and insurrection ..... pretty simple really.

Many men who are not essentially violent have become violent by being treated violently... what possible sense is there in continuing the same insanity?

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