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http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/military-plane-shot-down-crashes-near-s...

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Military plane shot down, crashes near Syrian-Turkish border


29 MINUTES AGONOVEMBER 24, 2015

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12013212/Turkey-shoot...

Turkey shoots down 'Russian military plane' on Syria border


TURKEY shot down a Russian warplane near its border with Syria after it ignored repeated warnings that it violated the country’s airspace, Turkish authorities say.
Russia’s defence ministry has confirmed the warplane downed on Syria border by Turkey was Russian Su-24, however it denies the jet crossed into Turkish skies.
The fate of the pilots is not yet known. Russia’s defence ministry says they ejected from the plane with parachutes but they have had no contact with them since. One is believed to have been captured on the ground by a Syrian rebel group aligned with Turkey.
Turkish authorities say they warned the Russian plane several times before shooting it down with F-16 fighter jets.
The plane exploded in the air and the fireball fell on a Turkmen mountain on the Syrian side of the border, CNN-Turk and NTV televisions reported.
Moscow claims it can prove the aircraft was over Syria for the whole flight.
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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:52pm
 
Turkey downs a jet?, I thought this was going to be another bird strike story like Captain whats his name on the Hudson  Grin , how in the fork did a country get called Turkey anyway?, named after a useless buzzard that gets fattened up and eaten, why isn't it called Eagle instead?, be like calling Australia Emu.  Cheesy

These are the things that keep me up at night wondering  Cool
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Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.
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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:58pm
 
EU probably told them to do it if they want to become members.

bugger these war mongering karnts.
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____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.




Do you think this will cause irreversible dangerously apocalyptic co2 climate change global warming ocean acidification droughts and bushfires?
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____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.


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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:02pm
 
The Russian planes don't have a very good record against American planes.

Turkey are probably butthurt Russia is destroying the rebels they backed and armed.

Someone should shoot down the Turkish planes that are attacking the Kurds.

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Turkey shoots down Russian jet near Syrian border
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Turkish warplanes have reportedly shot down a Russian military aircraft on the border with Syria.
Russia's Interfax news agency cited the Russian defence ministry as saying that a Su-24 had crashed in northern Syria, and that its two pilots had ejected.
Turkish military officials said Turkish F-16s shot down the plane after warning its pilots that they were violating Turkish airspace.

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does'nt look like the pilot made the eject button

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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm
 
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.
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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:59pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.




Do you think this will cause irreversible dangerously apocalyptic co2 climate change global warming ocean acidification droughts and bushfires? 




Human activity is the main driver of AGW.

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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.



Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of the Caliphate in the Islamic state.
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.




Haven't you heard?, its now open season on ISIS ya galah!, just as its been open season on your brain cells by flesh eating bugs for some time now too.   Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:16pm
 
yes, take away turkey and saudi arabia and there is no isis. 

It must just be coincidental that both are western allies.
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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:20pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:59pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.




Do you think this will cause irreversible dangerously apocalyptic co2 climate change global warming ocean acidification droughts and bushfires? 




Human activity is the main driver of AGW.





I know, I was only reading just today that bonny prince charles says that the poor innocent victims of Paris terror were murdered due to climate change, its a shocking state of affairs, who would have thunk that adding a single extra co2 molecule in 10 000 would have created ISIS, strange days indeed  Shocked
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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:23pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
Human activity is the main driver of AGW.



I guess humans have done nothing in the last 18 odd years, as AGW has really failed to take off as predicted, projected, prognosicated, or whatever the buzz word du jour.
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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:20pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:59pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.




Do you think this will cause irreversible dangerously apocalyptic co2 climate change global warming ocean acidification droughts and bushfires? 




Human activity is the main driver of AGW.





I know, I was only reading just today that bonny prince charles says that the poor innocent victims of Paris terror were murdered due to climate change, its a shocking state of affairs, who would have thunk that adding a single extra co2 molecule in 10 000 would have created ISIS, strange days indeed  Shocked



Haven't read it, just saw a headline and I thought he said 'in part'.

That the thing with Chinese whispers ...
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Reply #16 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
... wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:16pm:
yes, take away turkey and saudi arabia and there is no isis. 

It must just be coincidental that both are western allies.


I would say the west has been played by those 2 , it's entirely plausible if you compare what Winston Churchill said about Islam compared to what bush/blair/the Kenyan/billery/howard/rudd/etc say about Islam.

Since Russia was invited by the Syrian government to help this might help them shoot down Turkish planes that violate Syrian airspace in future.





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Reply #17 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:26pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:23pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:12pm:
Human activity is the main driver of AGW.



I guess humans have done nothing in the last 18 odd years, as AGW has really failed to take off as predicted, projected, prognosicated, or whatever the buzz word du jour.



Considering this thread is on Turkey downing a Russian jet, perhaps you should discuss in the extremist forum and not here.
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Reply #18 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:41pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.



What a gay comment.
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Reply #19 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 9:06pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/

according to this report one pilot is alive.
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Russian Defense Ministry confirms Russian Sukhoi Su-24 aircraft crashed in Syria

The ministry stressed that the attack aircraft did not violate Turkish airspace

MOSCOW, November 24. /TASS/. A Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft of Russia’s air group in Syria has crashed in Syrian territory, presumably, as a result of an attack from the ground, the Russian Defense Ministry has said.

The Defense Ministry said the plane was at an altitude of 6,000 meters. The pilots’ fate is unclear at the moment. According to early reports, both managed to eject themselves.

"A probe is in progress into the circumstances of the Russian plane’s crash. The Defense Ministry says the plane invariably stayed within Syrian airspace. Objective monitoring data confirm this," the Defense Ministry said.

Earlier, some media claimed the plane that crashed in Syria had allegedly violated Turkish airspace and was shot down by Turkish Air Force planes.

Russian airstrikes against the Islamic State terrorist group in Syria started on September 30. Russia intensified its airstrikes against the terrorists after it was reported that the crash of the Russian A321 plane in Egypt was caused by a terrorist bomb exploding on board. Russia has involved long-range aviation in its air strikes and has enforced the air grouping deployed in Syria. Russia's air grouping involves 69 aircraft, including Su-34 bombers, Su-24M and Su-25 attack aircraft, Su-30SM and Su-27SM3 fighters and Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters.

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Bobby wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.



What a gay comment.



What a homophobe comment.
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Video allegedly shows dead Russian pilot surrounded by armed rebels in Syria (GRAPHIC)

The video posted online shows armed men around an alleged Russian pilot who seems to be unconscious and immobile. His face is bruised and bloodied. The men seem to be happy and are praising Allah, with some regretting that they hadn’t burned him on the spot.

"A Russian pilot," a voice is heard saying as a group of men gather around him. "God is great," a voice says.

They spoke Arabic but used a Latakia dialect.

According to Reuters, the video was sent by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State has no known presence.

https://www.rt.com/news/323237-video-dead-russian-pilot/

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____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Bobby wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.



What a gay comment.



What a homophobe comment.



Greens,

don't expect everyone to bless your bum chumming practices.

You're a pervert.
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Lets hope the Russian pilots name was not Franz Ferdinand

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innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.




Haven't you heard?, its now open season on ISIS ya galah!, just as its been open season on your brain cells by flesh eating bugs for some time now too.   Cheesy


i think you've had one cone to many tonight
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Reply #26 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 10:18pm
 
Bobby wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 9:26pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
Bobby wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:41pm:
____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.



What a gay comment.



What a homophobe comment.



Greens,

don't expect everyone to bless your bum chumming practices.

You're a pervert.



I don't require anyone's blessing.
And I don't require a small minded bigot's judgement call based solely on their own perversion.

Take your knuckle dragging attitude and shove in in someone else's face.
you tiny dicked w@nker.

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Tuesday 24th November 2015 ( 8 minutes ago )

The Latest: NATO to hold urgent meeting after Turkey shoots down Russian aircraft

BEIRUT (AP) — The latest on the Russian warplane shot down by Turkey on Tuesday (All times local):

2:10 p.m.

NATO will hold an emergency meeting after Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet along the Syrian border that Ankara said had violated its airspace.

Tuesday's meeting of the North Atlantic Council, the alliance's main decision-making body, will be held at Turkey's request, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make public statements.

The council, composed of ambassadors from the United States and NATO's 27 other member countries, will convene at 5 p.m. (1500 GMT)

The official said "the aim of this extraordinary NAC meeting is for Turkey to inform allies about the downing of a Russian airplane."

On Oct. 5, following two earlier Russian violations of Turkish airspace reported by Turkey, the NAC accused Russia of "irresponsible behavior," and sternly warned Moscow it was courting "extreme danger" by sending its warplanes into the skies of an alliance member country.

— John-Thor Dahlburg

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1:50 p.m.

A spokesman for the rebel group that captured a Russian pilot whose plane was shot down over northwestern Syria says he was dead upon landing.

Jahed Ahmad of the 10th Brigade in the Coast tells The Associated Press that the two Russian crew members tried to land in their parachutes in government-held areas after they ejected, but came under fire from members of his group.

He adds that rebels shot one of the pilots, who landed dead on the ground on Tuesday.

The fate of the second pilot was not immediately known.

The group released a video showing gunmen standing around a blond pilot whose face was bruised and appeared dead.

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1:40 p.m.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has approved a new government led by Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu following the ruling party's victory in Turkey's Nov. 1 election.

Erdogan approved a Cabinet list presented by Davutoglu on Tuesday, hours after Turkey shot down a Russian plane it said violated its airspace and ignored repeated warnings.

The ruling party regained the parliamentary majority it had lost in a June vote. The Nov. 1 election was a re-run called by Erdogan after Davutoglu's efforts for a coalition government failed.

Davutoglu was heading an interim government that was appointed to take Turkey to November vote.

1:30 p.m.

A video has surfaced purporting to show a Russian pilot wounded and immobile after Turkey shot down a Russian plane along the Syrian border, claiming it had violated Turkish airspace.

The video posted Monday???  Shocked shows armed rebels gathered around the soldier lying on his back on the ground with bruises and blood on his face. It was not immediately clear if he was dead.

A voice on the video is heard saying "a Russian pilot," while another says: "The 10th Division has captured a Russian pilot, God is greatest."

Turkey said the plane had ignored repeated warnings. Russia denied that the plane crossed the Syrian border into Turkish skies.

http://accesswdun.com/article/2015/11/351941
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Video allegedly shows dead Russian pilot surrounded by armed rebels in Syria.


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miketrees wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 9:43pm:
Lets hope the Russian pilots name was not Franz Ferdinand



Welcome to WWIII
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John Smith wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.




Haven't you heard?, its now open season on ISIS ya galah!, just as its been open season on your brain cells by flesh eating bugs for some time now too.   Cheesy


You too could cut the personal nonsense.... in case you missed it trolls and abusers have been falling like ninepins lately, so don't join them.
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Reply #31 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 4:36am
 
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/military-plane-shot-down-crashes-near-s...

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RUSSIA has told Turkey to prepare for “serious consequences” for shooting down its jet. But Barack Obama says Turkey was within its rights to fire.


Speaking at a meeting with Jordanian King Abdullah II in Sochi, a tense-looking Mr Putin branded the shooting down of the aircraft a “stab in the back” by “accomplices of terrorists.
“I cannot call what happened today anything else.” “Today’s tragic event will have serious consequences for Russian-Turkish relations,” Mr Putin said. “We will of course carefully analyse everything that happened.” The fighter jet was shot down Tuesday on the Syrian border by two Turkish F-16s warplanes.
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Reply #32 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 5:11am
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891...



News World news Syria conflict
Russian rescue helicopter 'shot down by Syrian rebels' while searching for pilots of plane downed by Turkey


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/477404/US-nti-tank-gun-used-by-jihad...

Anti-tank gun used in deadly jihadi attack on Russian chopper 'was AMERICAN'


http://news.yahoo.com/turkmen-forces-syria-shot-dead-pilots-downed-russian-14381...

Turkmen forces in Syria shot dead pilots of downed Russian jet: deputy commander
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Su-24: RT special coverage of Russian warplane downed over Syria


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A Russian Su-24 fighter has been shot down in Syria, the Russian Defense Ministry said, adding the plane hadn’t violated Turkish airspace and was flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
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Expel Turkey from NATO. They are friends of IS and enemies of the west.
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Syrian rebels allegedly destroy Russian helicopter after landing with TOW
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Syrian fighters destroyed a Russian helicopter with a missile, shortly after they forced it to make an emergency landing in a nearby government-held area in Syria's Latakia province on Tuesday, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

A Syrian insurgent group, recipient of U.S. Tow missiles, said its fighters hit the helicopter with an anti-tank missile while it was in the air and put out a video showing the helicopter being blown up after one of its fighters struck it with another missile.

Rami Abdulrahman from the Observatory, which tracks the conflict in Syria though a wide network of sources, said at least ten people were on the helicopter when it was hit by the insurgents but they were all evacuated when it landed and before the missile destroyed it.

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____ wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 7:56pm:
Russia defending Assad by bombing another anti Assad group rather than ISIS.

Oh the complexity is delicious.




Do you think this will cause irreversible dangerously apocalyptic co2 climate change global warming ocean acidification droughts and bushfires? 




its bound too...does greeny know???>...I think they are very concerned about CLIMATE CHANGE in Turkey....

I am sure greeny doesnt kn ow..
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do we know if Russia is upset.
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Reply #38 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:12am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
this has the potential to escalate. It plays into Isis' hands.


I was thinking the same except for the bit about ISIS. I think operations in Syria by Coalition air forces just became must more complicated/dangerous with Russian jets also flying over Syria. I'd expect to see Putin now move in a squadron of fighter-interceptors to protect his bomber crews from other military aircraft.
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Reply #39 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am
 
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.
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Reply #40 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:23am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.




well that should fix everything...and Obama has already chosen which side he is on.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

funny how Russia wasnt to emotional about the m17
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Reply #41 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:32am
 
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:23am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.




well that should fix everything...and Obama has already chosen which side he is on.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

funny how Russia wasnt to emotional about the m17



Watch & see -

The Russians will start shooting down Turkish fighter planes.

Stupid Turkish fools.
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Reply #42 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:35am
 
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/nostradamus-predicted-the-coming-ir...

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Michel de Nostredame (December 14, 1503 – July 1, 1566)

Nostradamus Century 1, Quatrain 70:

Rain, famine and war will not cease in Persia;
too great a faith will betray the monarch.
Those (actions) started in France will end there,
a secret sign for one to be sparing.

Nostradamus Century 1, Quatrain 73:

France shall be accused of neglect by her five partners.
Tunis, Algiers stirred up by the Persians.
Leon, Seville and Barcelona having failed,
they will not have the fleet because of the Venetians.

Nostradamus Century 2, Quatrain 96:

Burning torch will be seen in the sky at night
Near the end and beginning of the Rhone:
Famine, steel: the relief provided late,
Persia turns to invade Macedonia.

Nostradamus Century 3, Quatrain 64:

The chief of Persia will occupy great "Olchades,"
The trireme fleet against the Mahometan people
From Parthia, and Media: and the Cyclades pillaged:
Long rest at the great Ionian port.

Nostradamus Century 3, Quatrain 77:

The third climate included under Aries
The year 1727 in October,
The King of Persia captured by those of Egypt:
Conflict, death, loss: to the cross great shame.

Nostradamus Century 3, Quatrain 78:

The chief of Scotland, with six of Germany
Captive of the Eastern seamen:
They will pass Gibraltar and Spain,
Present in Persia for the fearful new King.

Nostradamus Century 5, Quatrain 25:

The Arab Prince Mars, Sun, Venus, Leo,
The rule of the Church will succumb by sea:
Towards Persia very nearly a million men,
The true serpent will invade Byzantium and Egypt.

Nostradamus Century 5, Quatrain 27:

Through fire and arms not far from the Black Sea,
He will come from Persia to occupy Trebizond:
Pharos, Mytilene to tremble, the Sun joyful,
The Adriatic Sea covered with Arab blood.

Nostradamus Century 5, Quatrain 86:

Divided by the two heads and three arms,
The great city will be vexed by waters:
Some great ones among them led astray in exile,
Byzantium hard pressed by the head of Persia.

Nostradamus Century 10, Quatrain 21

Through the spite of the King supporting the lesser one,
He will be murdered presenting the jewels to him:
The father wishing to impress nobility on the son
Does as the Magi did of yore in Persia.
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Reply #43 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:37am
 
I sense Obama's stupid fingerprints on this.
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...

The Po is in southern France, where the Moslems will enter the country. "The maritime Lion" is the British navy. Line 4 suggests that a quarter million people will be captured.
From Barcelona by sea a very great army
All Marseilles will tremble with terror:
Isles seized help shut off by sea
Your traitor will swim in earth. (C.3:88)
This quatrain is self-explanatory, though the last line is confusing.

As the war continues, famine follows:
Those in the isles long besieged
Will take vigor and force against their enemies:
Those outside dead overcome by hunger,
They will be put in greater hunger than ever before. (C.3:71)

Lightning brightness at Lyons visible,
Shining, Malta is taken, suddenly it will be extinguished:
Sardon, Maurice will treat deceitfully,
Geneva at London to the cock feigned treason. (C.8:6)

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Reply #45 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:20am
 
Russian Su-24 pilots shot dead while parachuting over Syria - Turkmen militia


As the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces, Reuters reports citing a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade in Syria.



https://www.rt.com/news/323281-russian-pilots-killed-turkmen/
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Reply #46 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:27am
 


MAP: Russian Su-24 crash scheme by defense ministry


Published on Nov 24, 2015
Russian Defense Ministry demonstrates map of the Su-24M flight which ended in downing by Turkish F-16 jet. Russian MoD insists the jet didn’t violate Turkish airspace, while Ankara says the plane crossed into its territory for 17 seconds, leaked document indicates.
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Reply #47 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:36am
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd9_1448395974

Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger


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Moscow plans to suspend military cooperation with Ankara after the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces, Russian General Staff representatives said on Tuesday. Further measures to beef up Russian air base security in Syria will also be taken.

Three steps as announced by top brass:

1. Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets

2. Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger

3. Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended

Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four
kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.

Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber.

The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.

“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact
with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory.

”Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense.

Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.

"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

The Moskva (‘Moscow’) missile cruise is a flagship vessel of the Russian Black Sea fleet and is one of the fleet’s two biggest ships. The cruiser was stationed in Sevastopol but left in summer 2015 after being deployed to the Mediterranean Sea where it joined Russia’s standing naval force in the Mediterranean.

Since September 30, the Moskva cruiser acts as a covering force for the Russian air forces in Syria
while deployed in the eastern Mediterranean.

“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” Rudskoy added.
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Reply #48 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:40am
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3f_1448387182

Putin Describes Turkey as a “Terrorist Accomplice” after shooting down Russian jet


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In a meeting with King Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said: “today’s loss is a result of a stab in the back delivered by terrorists’ accomplices,” referring to the Turks downing a Russian jet resulting in the death of two Russian pilots.

He reiterates that the Russian jet was one kilometre away from the Turkish border within Syria flying at an altitude of 6,000 metres. It fell four kilometres from the Turkish border.

The pilots ejected safely but were shot down by Turkmen militants who then retrieved the bodies.

Putin explains the mission the pilots were undertaking.

“They were conducting an operation to fight ISIS in northern Latakia – a mountainous area where militants, mainly those coming from the Russian Federation, are concentrated. In this sense, they were doing their direct duty delivering preventive blows at terrorists who could return to Russia at any moment. Those people should certainly be classified as international terrorists,” he says.

More revealing, Putin exposes the Turkish and ISIS oil connection. He notes the movement of oil from ISIS-occupied areas to Turkey and how it is funding the terrorist group.

“If ISIS is making so much money – we are talking about tens or maybe even hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars – in oil trade and they are supported by the armed forces of an entire state, it is clear why they are being so daring and impudent, why they are killing people in such gruesome ways, why they are committing terrorist attacks all over the world, including in the heart of Europe,” Putin states.

Putin also revealed that today’s events would have a “significant consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.” He did not expand further on what these consequences could be.

Although Russia and the United States have opened greater dialogue to prevent air tragedies in Syria, he questions why Turkey as a fellow NATO member and key US ally has not acted in suit. He describes Turkey’s behaviour as “stabbing us in the back by hitting our planes that are fighting terrorism.”
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Reply #49 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:49am
 
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/11/putin-closes-turkish-embassy-2593846.html

Putin Closes Turkish Embassy.


An official Russian News stated after the warplane crash in Syrian border with Turkey, Vladimir Putin has convened Turkish ambassador Mr. Umit Yardim announcing that Turkish embassy should be closed as from now and they have 24h to leave Russia.

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A jet plane is waiting to bring back all Turkish embassy employees to Ankara.

From the other side Russian army are mobilizing and reactivated all reservist soldiers .
Heavy infantry and troops are joining Turkish Border for a new war escalation.
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Reply #51 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am
 
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am:
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?


what about the US ?

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Reply #53 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am:
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?


This does not mean it was a good idea. I don't think Russia will use military force directly against them, but they may intensify bombing of the Turkmen in Syria, or place other restrictions on economic interests in Russia even if it hurts themselves as well.
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Bobby wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:32am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:23am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.




well that should fix everything...and Obama has already chosen which side he is on.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

funny how Russia wasnt to emotional about the m17



Watch & see -

The Russians will start shooting down Turkish fighter planes.

Stupid Turkish fools.


Yes, what fools for defending their sovereignty. Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:34am
 
can someone switch the 'LIGHT" off.. all that c&p is making me dizzy..

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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/24/439010/US-Turkey-Russian-jet

Obama supports Turkey after it shot down Russian jet


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Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:23PM

US President Barack Obama speaks during a joint press conference with French President Francois Hollande at the White House in Washington, DC, on November 24, 2015. (AFP photo)
President Barack Obama has expressed US support for Turkey after it shot down a Russian warplane near Syria-Turkey border, saying Ankara has the right to defend its airspace.

"Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace," Obama said on Tuesday at the White House during joint press conference with visiting French President Francois Hollande.

“It is important right now to make sure the Russians and Turks are talking to each other to figure out what happened” and “discourage any kind of escalation," the US president said.

On Tuesday, NATO member Turkey shot down a Russian warplane, claiming the warplane had repeatedly violated its air space.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the jet had been attacked when it was 1 kilometer inside Syria.

He warned of "serious consequences" and called it a “stab in the back” administered by "the accomplices of terrorists."

"We will never tolerate such crimes like the one committed today," Putin said.

Russia has been conducting airstrikes on Daesh positions at the request of the Syrian government since September 30.

Syria has been gripped by deadly violence since March 2011. The United States and its regional allies - especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - have been supporting the militants operating inside Syria since the beginning of the crisis.

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Turkey urges UN to act to protect Turkmens in Syria

Turkey has called for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, according to Prime Ministry sources, with Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu saying his government will “not hesitate” to take the required measures on Syrian soil to protect the Turkmen people.

Days after Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest against the bombing of the Turkmen villages, Davutoğlu stated that the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) was not active in the region targeted by Russian air strikes.

Turkey is in discussions with the United States and Russia over the bombing of the villages and has sent a letter to Britain, the current holder of the U.N. Security Council’s presidency, asking for the subject to be taken up, sources from Davutoğlu’s office told Reuters on Nov. 23. Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioğlu has also discussed the matter on the phone with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the same sources said.

Speaking to reporters late on Nov. 22, Davutoğlu recalled that he was engaged in constant contact with both Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar and National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Chief Hakan Fidan over the weekend concerning alleged Russian air raids on Turkmen villages near the Syrian-Turkish border. Sources, meanwhile, told Reuters that Davutoğlu had consulted on the intelligence dimension of the issue with Akar and Fidan.

“Our security forces have been instructed to retaliate against any development that would threaten Turkey’s border security,” the prime minister said.

“If there is an attack that would lead to an intense influx of refugees to Turkey, required measures would be taken both inside Syria and Turkey,” he added.

“Looking at background of these attacks, in a region where very clearly there is no element of Deash [ISIL], where there is no terrorist element, first Russian airplanes come and then with support from foreign fighters. I want to underline that foreign fighters are not only Deash elements in Syria: Every non-Syrian inside Syria is a foreign fighter, whether they be Hezbollah coming from Lebanon or elements coming from other places. All these foreign fighters target civilian people where the regime no longer has the power to resist,” Davutoğlu said.

“We will also take the required measures diplomatically for the protection of our brothers and sisters in the place where they are located and for the protection of their human rights in the face of any threat,” he also stated.

However, prominent Syrian Turkmen figure Ali Türkmani challenged Ankara’s claims that Syria’s Turkmen community was being targeted in attacks.

“There is a perception operation that is being waged over the Turkmens,” Türkmani told daily BirGün on Nov. 22. “The regime will of course attempt to maintain its territorial integrity. As such, threats from al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army are being targeted [by Russian air strikes]. It’s not correct to say the Turkmens are being targeted,” he added.

The Turkmens are a Turkic-language-speaking ethnic minority who live alongside Arab and Kurdish populations and have traditionally had uneasy relations with the Syrian regimes of Bashar al-Assad and his late father, Hafez al-Assad.

The Turkmens have for decades tried to maintain their language and culture in Syria, resisting Arab assimilation policies of the Damascus government, which in turn has frequently regarded them as a fifth column working in favor of Ankara. They maintain close ties to Turkey, which sees the minority as allies in its push to oust al-Assad from power.

Turkey summoned Moscow’s ambassador on Nov. 20 and called for an immediate end to the Russian military operation near its border in northern Syria, which it said included “heavy bombardment” of Turkmen civilian villages.

Russian air strikes in support of al-Assad’s forces have shifted the balance of power in the conflict and dealt a setback to Turkey’s aim of seeing al-Assad removed from power.

The provincial governor of Turkey’s Hatay province, which borders the area where the bombing is taking place, said around 1,700 Turkmens had fled towards Turkey over the last three days, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.
Governor Ercan Topaca told a news conference that up to 30,000 inhabitants of the mountainous area could potentially be forced from their homes as a result of the fighting.

Turkey’s disaster and emergency authority AFAD said Turkmen families fleeing the fighting were being sent to the Yamadi camp across the border from the Turkish town of Yayladağı and that tents, blankets and clothing were delivered to them. Turkey is already hosting around 2.2 million Syrian refugees.

November/23/2015

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Samin Hafez, head of the Syrian Turkmen Union, admitted on Tuesday that Turkmens fighting against the Syrian regime are in bad shape, while asking to have modern weapons against Russian aircraft.

“We are not militarily in a good situation, but we have not lost the war, either,” Hafez told CNN Türk on Tuesday.

Arguing that Turkmen rebels can hold out against the Syrian ground forces only if they are provided with modern weapons against aircraft, Hafez said the Turkmens' weapons have worked in the past against Syria's helicopters, but now fall short of harming Russian ones.

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Is Turkey Buying Oil From ISIS? After Downed Plane, Putin Slams Islamic State's Black Market Fuel Sales
November 24 2015

The fact that Turkey shot down a Russian plane is not the only reason Russian President Vladimir Putin is furious. Since the jet fighter was downed Tuesday near the Syria-Turkey border, Putin has reiterated concerns -- already raised by other countries -- that Turkey has been buying oil smuggled from the Islamic State group.

The terrorist organization, also known as ISIS, has wrested control of oil fields in Iraq and eastern Syria, and has managed to keep production up despite both Russian- and American-led airstrikes against those targets.

"[ISIS] has big money, hundreds of millions -- or even billions -- of dollars, from selling oil," Putin said Tuesday, Russian news agency RT reported. "In addition, they are protected by the military of an entire nation. One can understand why they are acting so boldly and blatantly."

Turkey is frequently cited as one of the primary destinations for ISIS' oil. As a result, tensions between Russia and Turkey over the matter might seem inevitable. Russia's own economy has been hurt by a drastic drop in global oil prices -- by more than half in the past year, to less than $50 a barrel -- and by Western sanctions for Russia's involvement in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Oil is vital to Russia's economy; more than half of its budget and a quarter of its GDP come from producing and exporting oil and natural gas.

This month the Guardian reported that ISIS controlled about six locations that produced oil. The group reportedly sold the oil to Kurdish traders in Iraqi Kurdistan, who in turn sold it to traders in Turkey and Iran.

In June 2014, Ali Edibogluan, a member of parliament with Turkey's main opposition Republican People’s Party, said that ISIS had smuggled $800 million worth of oil into Turkey from Syria and Iraq, Al Monitor reported. He pointed to the Rumaila oil fields in northern Syria as well as those near Mosul, Iraq, saying that the group had laid pipes that allowed it to "transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash." Edibogluan added, "Turkey’s cooperation with thousands of men of such a mentality is extremely dangerous."

Russia has recently sought to destroy the infrastructure that allows ISIS to transport and sell oil. The Russian air force said last week it had destroyed about 500 fuel tankers, "which greatly reduced illegal oil export capabilities of the militants and, accordingly, their income from oil smuggling,” said Col. Gen. Andrey Kartapolov, spokesman for Russia's General Staff, RT reported.

Oil generates about $40 million a month in revenue for ISIS, the U.S. Treasury Department has estimated, the New York Times reported in mid-November. Its ability to rake in funds by selling oil on illicit markets comes from taking advantage of a "long-standing and deeply rooted black market," said David Cohen, U.S. undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, as quoted in the Financial Times in October 2014.

The tensions between Turkey and Russia come amid troubled negotiations over TurkStream, a pipeline that would have transported Russian natural gas into southern Europe by way of Turkey. Talks for that began to fall apart in October, when Gazprom, Russia's state-owned energy company, said it would cut the amount of gas going through the pipeline by half, delaying the pipeline's opening until the end of 2017. It decided to make the cut in order to divert part of the gas supply to a separate pipeline that would not go through Turkey and that it planned to expand.

"Turkish motivations to secure TurkStream are fairly urgent, as domestic energy demand is surging and internal energy sources are extraordinarily limited," according to a recent analysis of the situation by the publication Global Risk Insights. "Turkey also recognizes Russia’s desperation and is now likely to seek lucrative price cuts on Russian gas imports in exchange for greenlighting the pipeline," it added.

Of the crude oil Turkey consumed in 2014, about 27 percent came from Iraq, 26 percent from Iran and 13 percent from within Turkey, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. About 3 percent was imported from Russia.

http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-buying-oil-isis-after-downed-plane-putin-slams-isl...
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The Debate - Russia -Turkey Row (Nov 24th)

The first time a NATO member has downed a Russian plane in a half-century. Turkey has shot down a Russia jet, and the two pilots were reportedly killed. What will be the fallout of this, coming at this sensitive time on the war on Syria? In this edition of the debate, we’ll discuss what possible motives Turkey would have by this act, and how this would impact the Vienna talks held over Syria crisis, and France’s push for coordinated action with Russia against the Deash terrorists.

1. A serious escalation between these 2 countries: the first time a NATO member has downed a Russian plane in a half-century. The two pilots were reportedly killed.

2. The shooting down of a Russian warplane is a "new crime" that will be added to the record of insurgent groups and the countries that finance and arm them.

3. German Foreign Minister Steinmeier says hopes Turkey's downing of Russian warplane won't be setback to Syria peace talks.

4. U.S.-led coalition operations in Syria and Iraq are continuing "as planned? - This is an incident between the Russian and the Turkish governments. It is not an issue that involves the (U.S.-led coalition operations)

5. President Vladimir Putin calls Turkey's downing of a Russian fighter jet a stab in the back administered by "the accomplices of terrorists," saying the incident would have serious consequences for Moscow's relations with Ankara.

6. Stoltenberg, the head of the NATO military alliance of which Turkey is a member. "Need to avoid escalation #Turkey #Russia,"

7. The shooting down comes at an awkward time as French President Francois Hollande tries to include Russia in a coalition to take on the Daesh terror group in Syria and Iraq in the wake of the deadly Paris attacks of November 13

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https://www.rt.com/news/323065-syria-airstrikes-terrorists-russia/

Russian airstrikes destroy 472 terrorist targets in Syria in 48 hours, 1,000 oil tankers in 5 days

Published time: 23 Nov, 2015 07:25
Edited time: 23 Nov, 2015 10:28

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Russian airstrikes have torched more than 1,000 tankers taking stolen crude oil to Islamic State refineries. This blow against the jihadists comes as the Russian Air Force has hit 472 terrorist targets in two days in Syria, making 141 sorties.
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All Russian aircraft have successfully returned to the Khmeimim airbase near Latakia, Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said in a daily briefing.



Russian airplanes have destroyed over 1,000 ISIS tankers with crude oil in the last five days, Konashenkov added. Sukhoi Su-34 bombers also hit a terrorist-controlled oil refinery some 50 kilometers south of Raqqa, the unrecognized capital of the Islamic State terrorists.



Russia began counterterrorist operation in Syria on September 30, after Moscow received an official request from Syrian President Bashar Assad. Initially, the military operation was conducted by a task force of more than 50 aircraft and helicopters, including the Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-24M bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft, Su-30SM fighters and Mil Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters. Last week, a decision was made to bolster the strike group with 37 new planes, including long-range aircraft carrying out sorties from Russian airfields.



Russia’s Caspian Flotilla ships also delivered two massive cruise missile strikes on ISIS targets in Syria using Kalibr NK ship-born cruise missiles, on October 7 and on November 20. A Russian submarine operating in the Mediterranean also delivered missile strike on ISIS, also using Kalibr cruise missiles.

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600 terrorists killed in Russian cruise missile strike in Syria - Defense Ministry
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Looks like the ISIS party is over  Grin
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http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/11/24/turkey-threatened-putin-stop-bombing-isi...

Turkey Threatened Putin ‘Stop Bombing ISIS’ Days Before Jet Shoot Down


Posted on November 24, 2015 by Paul Joseph Watson

Ankara warned of “serious consequences” if Moscow continued campaign against Islamic State

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Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 fighter jet it claimed had violated Turkish airspace just days after threatening Moscow with “serious consequences” if it continued bombing ISIS in Syria.

The plane was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft) when it was shot down by the Turkish military before subsequently crashing on Syrian territory.

Russian President Vladimir Putin later called the act a “stab in the back by accomplices of terrorism.”

The incident occurred just days after Turkish officials warned Russia to “immediately end its operation” against ISIS after warplanes bombed border regions.

Ankara is unhappy that civilians belonging to the Turkmen population, which is staunchly anti-President Assad, will flee to Turkey and create a new refugee influx.

Charges that Russia is targeting anti-Assad rebels also prompted Turkey to summon Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov for crisis talks.

Shooting down the Russian jet may be a dangerous form of payback for Vladimir Putin’s two month bombardment of ISIS.

Although a NATO member country, a deluge of evidence suggests that Turkey is in fact allied with ISIS and has helped the terror organization by providing safe passage and financing via black market oil sales.

$800,000,000 worth of ISIS oil has been sold in Turkey, a supposed U.S. ally. ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa and Turkey.


As Nafeez Ahmed documents, a large cache of intelligence recovered from a raid on an ISIS safehouse this summer confirms that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable.’”

The senior western official who made this revelation also added that Turkey is allied with Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat al-Nusra, two Al-Qaeda offshoots in Turkey who are fighting to topple Assad.

A former ISIS communications technician also told Newsweek that part of his job was to, “Connect ISIS field captains and commanders from Syria with people in Turkey on innumerable occasions.”

ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks,” he said.


Although flight radar data appears to show that the Russian jet did violate Turkish airspace, some have pointed out that given the speed of the jet, it could have only crossed into Turkey for a period of around nine seconds, suggesting that the decision to shoot down the plane was a massive overreaction.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-creat...


Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad
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Russia’s turkey airspace violation lasted 17 seconds: WikiLeaks Tue Nov 24, 2015



WikiLeaks says Turkey sent a letter to the UN after shooting down a Russian Su-24 jet stating that it violated Turkish air space for 17 seconds.

According to the leaked letter addressed to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, aircraft with “unknown” nationality “violated Turkish national airspace to a depth of 1.36 miles and 1.15 miles in length for 17 seconds from 9:24:05 local time,” RT reported on Tuesday.

The letter, sent by Turkish UN Ambassador Yasar Halit Cevik, claims that the jets were called upon “10 times during a period of five minutes via ‘emergency’ channels” to alter their course.

Cevik said that one of the planes left Turkish airspace, but “plane two was fired at while in Turkish airspace by Turkish F-16s,” which resulted in its crash on the Syrian side of the Turkish-Syrian border.

Russia denies all of Turkey’s claims maintaining that the jet was downed in Syrian airspace where Russia has been carrying out operations against the Daesh Takfiri terrorists since September 30 upon a request by the Damascus government.

Based on radar imaging from Russia’s Hmeymim base in Syria, the Turkish jet actually violated Syrian airspace to attack the Russian jet.

According to Russia’s General Staff, one of the pilots was killed by ground fire after ejecting from the plane and a rescue operation is under way to find the other pilot.

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Turkish dictator Erdogan after one of their jets was shot down in 2012:

"A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack"

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Reply #66 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:29pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:18am:
Bobby wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:32am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:23am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.




well that should fix everything...and Obama has already chosen which side he is on.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

funny how Russia wasnt to emotional about the m17



Watch & see -

The Russians will start shooting down Turkish fighter planes.

Stupid Turkish fools.


Yes, what fools for defending their sovereignty. Roll Eyes



Stupid Turks -
instead of fighting ISIS they are attacking Russia.

The Turks are traitors.
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it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 3:18pm:
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/11/24/turkey-threatened-putin-stop-bombing-isi...

Turkey Threatened Putin ‘Stop Bombing ISIS’ Days Before Jet Shoot Down


Posted on November 24, 2015 by Paul Joseph Watson

Ankara warned of “serious consequences” if Moscow continued campaign against Islamic State

http://i1.wp.com/www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/241115jet.jpg

Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 fighter jet it claimed had violated Turkish airspace just days after threatening Moscow with “serious consequences” if it continued bombing ISIS in Syria.

The plane was flying at an altitude of 6,000m (19,685ft) when it was shot down by the Turkish military before subsequently crashing on Syrian territory.

Russian President Vladimir Putin later called the act a “stab in the back by accomplices of terrorism.”

The incident occurred just days after Turkish officials warned Russia to “immediately end its operation” against ISIS after warplanes bombed border regions.

Ankara is unhappy that civilians belonging to the Turkmen population, which is staunchly anti-President Assad, will flee to Turkey and create a new refugee influx.

Charges that Russia is targeting anti-Assad rebels also prompted Turkey to summon Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov for crisis talks.

Shooting down the Russian jet may be a dangerous form of payback for Vladimir Putin’s two month bombardment of ISIS.

Although a NATO member country, a deluge of evidence suggests that Turkey is in fact allied with ISIS and has helped the terror organization by providing safe passage and financing via black market oil sales.

$800,000,000 worth of ISIS oil has been sold in Turkey, a supposed U.S. ally. ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa and Turkey.


As Nafeez Ahmed documents, a large cache of intelligence recovered from a raid on an ISIS safehouse this summer confirms that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable.’”

The senior western official who made this revelation also added that Turkey is allied with Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat al-Nusra, two Al-Qaeda offshoots in Turkey who are fighting to topple Assad.

A former ISIS communications technician also told Newsweek that part of his job was to, “Connect ISIS field captains and commanders from Syria with people in Turkey on innumerable occasions.”

ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks,” he said.


Although flight radar data appears to show that the Russian jet did violate Turkish airspace, some have pointed out that given the speed of the jet, it could have only crossed into Turkey for a period of around nine seconds, suggesting that the decision to shoot down the plane was a massive overreaction.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-creat...


Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad


thanks lighty.

So, islamic terrorists get support from islamic countries.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/24/opinions/ghitis-russia-jet-shot-down/index.htm...


This  is getting too serious:


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How is this not World War III?



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Updated 0432 GMT (1232 HKT) November 25, 2015 | Video Source: CNN



(CNN)Turkish forces shot down a Russian plane near the Turkish-Syrian border on Tuesday, dangerously escalating a conflict that is expanding ever more rapidly and unpredictably.

Take a step back and look at what Syria's war has wrought: Only days after the Paris attacks -- one of the worst terrorist attacks on European soil since World War II -- and with the unofficial capital of the European Union, Brussels, still under a partial lockdown, a member of NATO downed a Russia fighter jet.

If this had occurred during the Cold War, we would be bracing for the possibility of a nuclear war. Thankfully, that conflict is over. Instead of dialing nuclear codes, Russian President Vladimir Putin called for an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council while NATO summoned its own emergency meeting.
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Russia won't attack turkey militarily, but turkey are buggered nonetheless.

They rely on Russian gas and tourism and export most of their goods to russia - not anymore.  The asshole erdogan has sold his country out for his own oil business.
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Turkey Shoot: NATO State Escalates Conflict as It Funds ISIS


http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/drudge-america-has-been-arming-isis/

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MATT DRUDGE: 'AMERICA HAS BEEN ARMING ISIS'

Rare tweet by media giant alludes to sinister Obama policy
Published: 9 hours ago

Matt Drudge’s first tweet in months came with a cryptic message: “A shocking truth is unfolding: America has been arming ISIS.”

The Obama administration has been plagued for weeks over news U.S. weapons supplied to Syrian rebels were inadvertently winding up in the hands of terror groups. The media giant’s tweet on Tuesday alludes to something far more sinister.

Major media outlets covered the ineptitude of Obama’s U.S.-trained rebels in early November, but there was no evidence he purposefully sent weapons to terror networks determined to attack America.

“Moderate rebels who had been armed and trained by the United States either surrendered or defected to the extremists as the Jabhat al-Nusra group, affiliated with al-Qaida, swept through the towns and villages the moderates controlled in the northern province of Idlib, in what appeared to be a concerted push to vanquish the moderate Free Syrian Army, according to rebel commanders, activists and analysts,” the Washington Post reported Nov. 2.

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Similar military debacles have occurred in Iraq, where security forces in Ramadi retreated in May when confronted by ISIS attackers.

Dozens of U.S. military vehicles, including tanks, were taken into the terror group’s possession after the Iraqis’ defeat.

“We will see episodic, temporary successes, but again these typically don’t materialize into long-term gains,” Brig. Gen. Thomas Weidley, chief of staff of the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve, said May 15, Agence France-Presse reported.

Drudge’s tweet coincides with recurring charges that U.S. Central Command analysts were pressured to supply intelligence reports on ISIS that matched Obama’s rhetoric.


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Media mogul Matt Drudge accused the Obama administration of arming ISIS on Tuesday, Nov. 24, 2015
Gregory Hooker, a former senior intelligence officer at Centcom, accused senior commanders last month of doctoring terror risk assessments to look unrealistically optimistic, the New York Times reported Sept. 23. Hooker previously accused the Bush administration of doing the exact opposite in 2005.

“This core group of Iraq analysts have been doing this for a long time,” said Stephen Robb, a retired Marine colonel and a former head of the Centcom Joint Intelligence Center, the newspaper reported. “If they say there’s smoke, start looking for a firehouse.”

“Impeachable Offenses” presents an indictment of Barack Obama that goes well beyond today’s headlines. Order it today at WND’s Superstore.

President Obama denied the charges once again on Sunday prior to flying back to Washington from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

“I don’t want intelligence shaded by politics. I don’t want it shaded by the desire to tell a feel-good story. We can’t make good policy unless we’ve got good, accurate, hard-headed, clear-eyed intelligence,” Obama said as his nine-day trip to the Turkish Riviera and Southeast Asia ended.

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency during President Obama’s tenure, told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly on Monday that Obama’s investigation into faulty intelligence assessments should begin with a look in the mirror.

“The president sets the priorities and he’s the number one customer. So if he’s not getting the intelligence he needs and if he’s not paying attention to what else is going on, then something else is wrong there between them and the advisers he has,” Flynn said, the Weekly Standard reported.

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http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/russian-specialists-involved-in-syria-in...

Russian Specialists Involved in Syria Intercepting Turkish Jet, Sources Say
Diplomatic sources talking to the Sunday Times say Syria shot down the Turkish plane to warn NATO not to intervene in the Syrian conflict.

Haaretz, Reuters and The Associated Press
Jul 01, 2012 8:34 AM


Russian technicians were involved in the taking down of the Turkish fighter jet by the Syrian military last week, the Sunday Times reported on Sunday.
Sourcing Middle Eastern diplomatic sources the Times reported that the decision to down the Turkish jet was intended to signal a warning to NATO to stay out of the conflict raging in Syria for over a year.
Russia supplied Syria with advanced anti-aircraft missile systems three years ago. It is believed that Russian specialists trained the Syrian forces to use them. According to diplomats that spoke with the Sunday Times some Russian specialists are still stationed at the missile battery control centers.
“We would not be surprised if these Russian experts, if they didn’t push the button, at least were beside the Syrian officers who did it,” an Israeli air force source told the British paper.
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https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/

Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev


Published time: 25 Nov, 2015 06:53
Edited time: 25 Nov, 2015 09:19

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Some Turkish officials have ‘direct financial interest’ in the oil trade with the terrorist group Islamic State, Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev said as he detailed possible Russian retaliation to Turkey’s downing of a Russian warplane in Syria on Tuesday.

“Turkey’s actions are de facto protection of Islamic State,” Medvedev said, calling the group formerly known as ISIS by its new name. “This is no surprise, considering the information we have about direct financial interest of some Turkish officials relating to the supply of oil products refined by plants controlled by ISIS.”

“The reckless and criminal actions of the Turkish authorities… have caused a dangerous escalation of relations between Russia and NATO, which cannot be justified by any interest, including protection of state borders,” Medvedev said.

According to the PM, Russia is considering canceling several important projects with Turkey and barring Turkish companies from the Russian market. Russia has already recommended its citizens not to travel to Turkey, citing terrorist threats, resulting in several tourist operators withdrawing tours to Turkey from the market.
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http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/russian-specialists-involved-in-syria-in...


Very interesting master Light,

didn't hear that on the news.

So the Russians also shot down a Turkish plane back in July!
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The simplest explanation is it was payback for targeting Turkmen in Syria.
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Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
The simplest explanation is it was payback for targeting Turkmen in Syria.



The silly wombats are shooting at each other instead of ISIS.

This is the way the war could escalate unless cool heads prevail.

We don't need  WW3.
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Bobby wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
The simplest explanation is it was payback for targeting Turkmen in Syria.



The silly wombats are shooting at each other instead of ISIS.

This is the way the war could escalate unless cool heads prevail.

We don't need  WW3.



Nothing will happen. It'll leave the front pages in a few days and it'll all blow over. Russia won't do anything because they need the money from the gas they sell the Turks and Turkey won't do anything because they need the money from the Russian tourists.
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Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:25pm:
Bobby wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:13pm:
The simplest explanation is it was payback for targeting Turkmen in Syria.



The silly wombats are shooting at each other instead of ISIS.

This is the way the war could escalate unless cool heads prevail.

We don't need  WW3.



Nothing will happen. It'll leave the front pages in a few days and it'll all blow over. Russia won't do anything because they need the money from the gas they sell the Turks and Turkey won't do anything because they need the money from the Russian tourists.



I hope so -

then at least they can get on with the job of destroying ISIS.

You would think that the planes would all have  "friend or foe" indicators
all matched up for any of the allies flying there.
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LIVE: Lavrov speaks Russian Su-24M shot down by Turkey
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3333117/Downed-Russian-pilot-picked-Syri...



Rescued from behind enemy lines: Russian pilot who was feared captured by Syrian rebels after his jet was shot down by Turkey is 'alive and well' after dramatic 12-hour mission


One of the two pilots of Russian jet downed by Turkey rescued in 12-hour operation and taken to Russian base
Pilot, identified as Cpt Konstantin Murahtin, and fallen co-pilot, Lt. Col. Oleg Peshkov to be given state honours
Audio recording of warnings sent out by Turkey on open channels and confirmed by U.S. military released
Putin called the incident a 'stab in the back by accomplices of terrorists' and accused Turkey of supporting ISIS
NATO chief called for 'diplomacy and de-escalation' after emergency meeting of member nations on Tuesday
By SARA MALM IN LONDON and WILL STEWART IN MOSCOW FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 18:46 EST, 25 November 2015 | UPDATED: 22:34 EST, 25 November 2015


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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-bombards-syrian-rebels-near-downed-russian-jet-...

Russia bombards Syrian rebels near site of downed Russian jet


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YAYLADAGI, Turkey (Reuters) - Russian forces launched a heavy bombardment against insurgent-held areas in Syria's Latakia province on Wednesday, near where a Russian warplane had been shot down by Turkey the day before, rebels and a monitoring group said.
At least 12 air strikes hit Latakia's northern countryside as pro-government forces clashed with fighters from al Qaeda's Nusra Front and Turkmen insurgents in the Jabal Akrad and Jabal Turkman areas, the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
A Turkmen commander said missiles fired from Russian warships in the Mediterranean were also hitting the area, as well as heavy artillery shelling.
Hassan Haj Ali, the head of Liwa Suqour al-Jabal, a rebel group operating in western Syria, also said there were fierce battles in the area, with Russian aircraft supporting pro-government forces.
Turkey on Tuesday shot down a Russian warplane that it said had entered Turkish airspace, something denied by Moscow.
It crashed in the Jabal Turkman area, the Observatory said.
Both pilots bailed out. The Russian Defence Ministry said one had been shot dead from the ground as he parachuted down, but that one was safe and had returned to Russia's air base in western Syria.
However, a deputy commander of rebel Turkmen forces in Syria said on Tuesday that his men had shot both pilots dead as they parachuted down.
The incident was one of the most serious publicly acknowledged clashes for half a century between Russia and a NATO member country.
A Turkish military source said Turkish troops on the border were on alert on Wednesday after the bombardment began.
Russia began intervening in the Syrian civil war on Sept. 30 in support of President Bashar al-Assad, whose forces are fighting insurgents backed by regional powers including Turkey.
The Russian air raids, launched ostensibly to target Islamic State, have mostly hit other, foreign-backed rebel groups, the United States says.
There have been strikes for several weeks in Latakia province, whose capital of the same name is Assad's coastal stronghold, but the Observatory said Wednesday's bombardments were particularly heavy.
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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 5:30am:
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I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.


I like Mr V Putin. He's right.

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.......Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was elected Mayor of İstanbul in the 1994 local elections as the Islamist Welfare Party candidate with 25.1% of the vote, winning due to a vote split between the mainstream centrist parties. ....

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As usuall Turks lied


‘Turkish jets gave us no warning before shooting’ – rescued pilot of downed Russian Su-24

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If Russia didn't want to retaliate it wouldn't insist that Turks lied about incident. Rescued Russian Pilot specifically sad that ‘Turkish jets gave us no warning before shooting’ as well as Russia provided satellite evidence that Russian jet wasn't in Turkish territory.
In my opinion first will be hard hit Turkish terrorists in Syria who killed Russian Pilot then convoy of smuggled oil from ISIL to Turkey. All of that will provoke Turkey to react again but this time Russians will be prepared for immediate swift response.
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I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.



of course he does..he prefers to turn the screws slowly...
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 6:54am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 5:30am:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/istandwithrussia?src=hash

I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.


I like Mr V Putin. He's right.

Here is a good target for him Quote:
.......Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was elected Mayor of İstanbul in the 1994 local elections as the Islamist Welfare Party candidate with 25.1% of the vote, winning due to a vote split between the mainstream centrist parties. ....



People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.

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People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.




I Stand With Russia.

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Absolutely Pansi.
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Breaking news:

New provocations by Turkey:


"Erdoğan says will soon put into practice humanitarian safe zone in Syria between Jarablus and Mediterranean cost with allies"


How Russia will react?


https://mobile.twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/669228061347442688
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Breaking news:


Turkish PM on downing Russian plane:   “I gave the order myself”.


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http://thinkpol.ca/2015/11/25/i-gave-the-order-myself-%E2%88%92-turkish-pm-on-do...
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Exactly what I predicted:
Now it is Russian turn. Russia is doing everything to provoke another Turkish jet response this time it will be with full retaliation.

Trucks ablaze after apparent air strike on Turkey-Syria border




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http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2015/11/russia-retaliation-begins-fero...

Russia Retaliation Begins – Ferocious Bombings and Cruise Missile Attacks Ongoing


Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:28

RETALIATORY ATTACKS HAVE BEGUN


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Russia wasted no time in retaliating against the Turkmen for shooting at, and likely killing, the downed Russian pilot as he dropped helplessly with his parachute from his crippled aircraft.  Just minutes ago, (9:00 AM EST) an enormous barrage of Russian Cruise Missiles launched from Russian warships in the Mediterranean, began exploding in the region where the Russian pilot was killed yesterday.

In addition, at least twelve (12) Russian bombers / attack fighters, began precision bombing of Turkman facilities and villages in Syria, all along the Turkish border.   The attack is so ferocious, Turkey put its Border Troops on elevated “alert” then raised that status to “Full Alert” because the Russian attacks just kept getting bigger.

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Where are Turkish phantoms now?

Braking news:

Russia deliberately bombs Turkish Syrian border and wait for Turkish response.


Exactly how i predicted.
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Where are Turkish phantoms now?

Braking news:

Russia deliberately bombs Turkish Syrian border and wait for Turkish response.


Exactly how i predicted.



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As for his political persuasion, Fein told WND, "I criticized Nixon. I criticized Clinton. I criticized Bush and Cheney. I criticize Obama. I don't have any reluctance because I view myself as an American first."
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/25/439165/Larijani-Turkey-Russia-jet-mistak...

Turkey made big mistake downing Russian jet, US made bigger mistake backing it: Larijani

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Iran’s Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani (IRNA)
Iran’s Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani says Turkey made a “big mistake” shooting down a Russian fighter jet near the Syrian border.

Larijani made the comments during a meeting with Luxembourger Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn in Tehran on Wednesday.

He also criticized the stance taken by US President Barack Obama and his administration, saying, “Obama’s support of this action is an even bigger mistake that further intensifies the conflicts in the region.”

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Iran’s Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani (R) during a meeting with Luxembourg’s Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn (L) in Tehran on November 25, 2015 (IRNA)   
On Tuesday, Obama expressed his country’s support for Turkey after it shot down a Russian Su-24M aircraft with two pilots aboard, claiming that the fighter jet had violated the Turkish airspace. "Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace," Obama said.

Russia dismisses Ankara’s claims and says the fighter jet was downed in the Syrian airspace, where the Russian air force has been carrying out combat sorties against Takfiri terrorists since September 30 upon a request by the Syrian government.

Broaching the subject of Takfiri terrorism in the region, Larijani said that some regional and Western countries support these groups supposing that they can use the conflicts in the region to achieve their own objectives.

In his turn, Asselborn said solving the crises in the Middle East is of utmost importance as any insecurity in the region would endanger the security of European countries.

While in Tehran, Asselborn also met with his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif, President Hassan Rouhani, and Ali Akbar Velayati, a senior adviser to Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei.
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http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/26/439182/US-military-S400-deployment

US 'concerned' over deployment of Russian missile system

Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:42AM

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The Russian Air Force base in Latakia will be reinforced with S-400 "Triumf" antiaircraft missile system, Russia's Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Wednesday.
The US military is very concerned about Russia’s imminent deployment of an advanced missile defense system to Syria, an American official says.

The Kremlin has announced that it is sending S-400 anti-aircraft missiles to Latakia in northwestern Syria in the wake of shooting down a Russian warplane inside Syria by Turkish jets on Tuesday.

A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said on Wednesday the S-400 poses a significant threat. He said the planned deployment is raising “significant concerns” for the US military, which is conducting airstrikes in Syria.

"It's a capable weapons system that poses a significant threat to anyone," the official told AFP. "There are significant concerns related to air operations in Syria."

The S-400 has a range of about 400 kilometers and can destroy tactical and strategic aircraft as well as ballistic and cruise missiles.

On Tuesday, NATO member Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 Fencer jet, claiming the aircraft had repeatedly violated its air space.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the jet had been attacked when it was 1 kilometer inside Syria. He warned of "serious consequences" and called it a “stab in the back” administered by "the accomplices of terrorists."

Russia has been conducting airstrikes on Daesh (ISIL) positions at the request of the Syrian government since September 30.

One pilot who survived from the jet crash told Russian state television that his aircraft had received no warnings and had not violated Turkish airspace.

Syrian special forces working with the Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah rescued Konstantin Murakhtin after he parachuted from the aircraft.

He said he knew exactly the plane’s location when it came under fire. “Our entire flight, to the moment we were attacked, was under my command.”
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The head of Committee of the Russian parliament Duma supported the return of Hagia Sophia to Saint Sophia Orthodox Church


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Deputies of the state Duma supported the idea to return the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul Turkish Orthodox Church. As reported by RIA «Novosti», said the head of the Duma Committee on property issues, coordinator of the Interfactional parliamentary group for the protection of Christian valuables Sergey Gavrilov. International campaign for the return of the Cathedral of the Patriarchate of Constantinople has been held for several years. The temple currently has the status of a Museum.
The Deputy reminded that on 23 September 2015 in Moscow, was inaugurated the Moscow Cathedral mosque. «The significance of the event said that the opening ceremony was attended by President of Russia Vladimir Putin, President of the Turkish Republic, Recep Erdogan, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and delegations of Muslims from around the world, heads of government and speakers of parliaments of foreign States», — quotes Agency the words of the parliamentarian.
Today, when Russian-Turkish relations «survive the test of strength» are especially important mutual friendly initiatives and proposals, expressed confidence Gavrilov.
«The Russian side finds it possible to think about living in Turkey, in Istanbul, one of the oldest shrines in all of Christendom — Constantinople Hagia Sophia (Aya Sofya), the ancient Byzantine Cathedral, with a history which involves the history of the Christian Church. We expect the Turkish side’s friendly step — return of Sophia Cathedral of Constantinople of the Christian Church,» — said Gavrilov.
He noted that the Russian side is ready to participate financially, but also to attract to the restoration of the universal Christian monument of the best Russian restorers and scientists. «This step would help Turkey and Islam to demonstrate that goodwill above policy. Christians need to return Hagia Sophia» — said the Deputy of the state Duma.
Hagia Sophia, located in Istanbul, after the capture of the city by the Ottomans in 1453 was converted into a mosque. Only in 1935, Hagia Sophia has acquired the status of a Museum. St. Sophia Cathedral was included in UNESCO world heritage site, among other monuments of the historical centre of Istanbul in 1985.
Campaign for the return of the initial status of Hagia Sophia
Muslims protested the cartoons of Muhammad. We defend the right of serving in the Church, which is a symbol for all Orthodox,» he said, adding that now is the moment (in the words of Spyros sounded in 2006. — Approx. NEWSru.com), as Turkey seeks to join the European Union.
[b]Currently the campaign organisers are exploring the possibility of going to American and European courts to claim the rights again to conduct the services in St. Sophia as the place is revered by Orthodox Christians.
At the public hearing of the Committee on human rights of Congress (Congressional Human Rights Caucus) held on 20 June 2007 under the chairmanship of the head of foreign policy Committee of the U.S. Congress Tom Lantos, President of the Democratic party of the state of new Hampshire Raymond Buckley, speaking about the current social status of the temple, in particular, said: it is Unacceptable to deprive people of the right to pray in their Mother Church is Unacceptable to tolerate the daily abuse of this sacred space, used for trade fairs and concerts.

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 5:30am:
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I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.


It must of been a hard decision choosing between an authoritarian nationalist and a religious nationalist. Funnily enough, neither would have time for a limp-wristed lefty like yourself.
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BREAKING: RUSSIA STRIKES TURKISH CONVOY AMID AIRSPACE DISPUTE


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People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.




lol. Peace via Russia and China? lol. Both nations have probably killed more people in the last 100 years than every other nation put together.
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Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 6:57pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 5:30am:
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I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.


It must of been a hard decision choosing between an authoritarian nationalist and a religious nationalist. Funnily enough, neither would have time for a limp-wristed lefty like yourself.


You are kinda right there, I'm not a Putin fan and I'm not an ISIS fan either. Turkey is an ISIS fan and Putin is the lesser of two evils, Turkey shot down the Su-24, trying to defend ISIS and the oil it receives from them and to defend their comrade Turks trying to overthrow Assad, who is also prick.

To me it boils down to:
I want ISIS(or lookalikes) gone.
Ivan is doing a better job than any western coalition.
Go Ivan!

No country shoots down another's planes for a 10-17 second trespass... Except Turkey. How often do Turkish planes transgress on other sovereign states borders and are not shot down? Dangerous game that could turn into a Turkey shoot because the west can't possibly defend that shoot down.

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How can Putin be supporting Assad ?-

a madman who has gassed his own people to death.
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How can Putin be supporting Assad ?-

a madman who has gassed his own people to death.



Do you still believe Assad deployed chemical weapons? 

That didn't add up to anything more than a fabricated pretext for the west to get (more) involved.
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Setanta wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 7:31pm:
Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 6:57pm:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 5:30am:
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I stand with Russia because they want peace, unlike the fake US war machine that turns a blind eye to the ISIS sponsors.


It must of been a hard decision choosing between an authoritarian nationalist and a religious nationalist. Funnily enough, neither would have time for a limp-wristed lefty like yourself.


You are kinda right there, I'm not a Putin fan and I'm not an ISIS fan either. Turkey is an ISIS fan and Putin is the lesser of two evils, Turkey shot down the Su-24, trying to defend ISIS and the oil it receives from them and to defend their comrade Turks trying to overthrow Assad, who is also prick.

To me it boils down to:
I want ISIS(or lookalikes) gone.
Ivan is doing a better job than any western coalition.
Go Ivan!


Yet Turkey is (officially) on the side of the U.S., French and the rest of the countries bombing ISIS. It has even granted the U.S permission to use its bases for the bombings. Funny way to protect ISIS.

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No country shoots down another's planes for a 10-17 second trespass... Except Turkey. How often do Turkish planes transgress on other sovereign states borders and are not shot down? Dangerous game that could turn into a Turkey shoot because the west can't possibly defend that shoot down.

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From what I've been told, U.S., French and Greek planes regularly fly in Turkish airspace, but have never been shot down. There's some animosity between Russia and Turkey for this action to be taken. The simplest explanation is that Russia targeted Turkmen, an ethnic group related to Turks, and the downing of the plane was revenge.   


One thing to understand about Turks is that they are very nationalist, very proud. They aren't emasculated losers like the citizens of the West.

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How can Putin be supporting Assad ?-

a madman who has gassed his own people to death.


Lesser of two evils. Did he? Probably he's a prick. Who would you rather? ISIS? I know it's obscene, life is like that sometimes, but who is worse? Assad can be done in with international pressure, without airstrikes, yes it may take time and persistence but the alternative is ISIS, who will not be deterred but impelled by international condemnation. Kill ISIS, isolate Turkey until it turns from the ISIS memorandum and forgoes a new Ottoman Empire.
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Bobby wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 7:42pm:
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How can Putin be supporting Assad ?-

a madman who has gassed his own people to death.



Do you still believe Assad deployed chemical weapons? 

That didn't add up to anything more than a fabricated pretext for the west to get (more) involved. 



Not only did Assad use chemical weapons he killed at least
100,000 of his own people who rose up against him -
because he's a tyrant & a despot.


There really is no hope for the Arab/ Muslim world.
They will have the crap bombed out of them & return to the stone age.
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The Yanks slaughtering ISIS -
like swatting flies:



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Anyone who kills 100,000 moslems can't be all bad.

Seriously though, how long do you think a nice guy would last in charge of a middle eastern country?  They can't afford to be nice.
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Anyone who kills 100,000 moslems can't be all bad.

Seriously though, how long do you think a nice guy would last in charge of a middle eastern country?  They can't afford to be nice.


Depends on your definition of a "nice guy". Assad is a "nice guy" compared to ISIS, so was Saddam. I think "nice" is a relative and subjective  concept.
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Yes, saddam, gaddafi, assad - all assholes, but they ran a tight ship.
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Seriously though, how long do you think a nice guy would last in charge of a middle eastern country?  They can't afford to be nice.



You have a point - Saddam was even worse than Assad but
at least he had the Muslim terrorists under control.

Assad did not have the Muslims under control -
he was always worthless to everyone.
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Yes, saddam, gaddafi, assad - all assholes, but they ran a tight ship.


As did the British Navy in the days of keelhauling, flogging and their recruitment methods were appalling. Worthless proles needed a firm hand. I don't agree that violence doesn't solve problems, it does, it also creates problems and they may be harder to deal with than the original one unless people are taken by the hand afterwards. As examples I would put forth the Marshall Plan and how Japan was treated after WW2.



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It's a fine balance - too nice and they get deposed, too cruel and they get overthrown.  That makes meddling in a relatively stable situation, ie Iraq, Libya, Syria all the more stupid.  Like Water it will find its own level.
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It's a fine balance - too nice and they get deposed, too cruel and they get overthrown.  That makes meddling in a relatively stable situation, ie Iraq, Libya, Syria all the more stupid.  Like Water it will find its own level.



We shouldn't have got rid of Saddam unless we had a plan to
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Democracy was never going to work with crazy Muslims -
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Ten people, including employees of Russia's state oil company Rosneft, have lost their lives in a civilian helicopter crash in Siberia, regional officials say.

There were 25 people on board the Mi-8 helicopter, which went down outside the town of Igarka, some 2,800 kilometers (1,750 miles) northeast of Moscow on Thursday.

Fifteen other passengers were hospitalized as a result of the crash. According to a Rosneft statement, there were three crew members and 22 passengers on board.

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Turkish trucks face hurdles at Russia’s customs

Turkish passengers and trucks have started to face hurdles at Russia’s customs after the downing of the Russian jet by Turkish F-16s near the Syrian border on Nov. 24, with Turkish trucks now being subjected to “full examination,” according to Turkish officials.

“Russia has closed its border gates to Turkish trucks,” said the head of the International Transporters Association of Turkey (UND), Fatih Şener.

Noting that Turkey had made exports to Russia in many fields from ready-made textiles to food and machinery, Şener said: “Around 36,000 trucks carry goods from Turkey to Russia a year. Some 100-150 trucks are now being kept waiting at Russia’s borders. We face an uncertain situation here. No explanation has been made about the trucks which are on their way to Russia though Georgia, although the trucks are apparently being subjected to a “full examination” on their way to Russia via Ukraine. This means all goods in the trucks will be unloaded and examined in detail at the Russia border, but such procedures can take days.”

Such a process is also applied at the Turkish border, but only in the event of risky situations, which occurs around 2 percent of the time, officials said.

A board member of the Turkish Exporters’ Assembly (TİM) and the head of the Machinery Exporters’ Association, Adnan Dalgakıran, also told a meeting of the Istanbul Chamber of Industry on Nov. 25 that no Turkish goods were being permitted passage to Russia.

“The passing of Turkish trucks over Russia’s borders has halted now, including machinery. No Turkish good can enter Russia now,” he was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Dalgakrıan said Turkey’s machinery exports to Russia were around $800 million a year, but this amount had already decreased to around $300 million after economic problems began in Russia.

The head of the Istanbul Textiles and Raw Materials Exporters Association, İsmail Gülle, also said the textile industry was one sector that would be negatively affected by any deterioration in Turkish-Russian ties.

“Our annual exports to Russia are around $1 billion, but this has shrunk by 40 percent this year due to the economic problems in Russia. Any further shrinkage in our exports will create a big problem for us,” he said, according to Reuters.

Şener said Turkish trucks faced the same problems in Egypt last year due to deteriorating political ties between Turkey and Egypt.

“Such problems are normal in the Middle East, but Russia is a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), so it shouldn’t behave like Egypt,” he said.

Some Turkish tourists visiting Russia have also said they faced problems at passport control, while some said everything was quite normal.

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Russian Communist deputy proposing full ban on foodstuff imports from Turkey

"Why should we allow the companies from a country, which doesn’t support our policies and cooperates with terrorist groupings, make money here?" Vadim Solovyov asked somewhat rhetorically


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MOSCOW, November 26. /TASS/. Russian politicians continued offering their reactions to the Tuesday incident in Syrian airspace where a Russian Sukhoi-24M bomber was brought down by an air-to-air missile launched from an F-16 fighter jet of the Turkish Air Force.

Communist deputy of the State Duma Vadim Solovyov came up with a proposal to expel Turkish construction companies from Russia, as well as to ban the imports of Turkish foodstuffs and textiles, Izvestia daily said.

"By its unexpected escapade, Turkey calls into question a possibility of political and, on top of that, economic trust in it," it quoted Solovyov.

"Much has been said about severing relations in the tour industry but this isn’t the only sphere where our countries have had close cooperation," he said. "Turkish companies are engaged in many landmark construction projects in Russia, like the Federation Tower in the Moskva City business center."

"Why should we allow the companies from a country, which doesn’t support our policies and cooperates with terrorist groupings, make money here?" he asked somewhat rhetorically.

Konstantin Kosachev, the chairman of foreign policy committee in the upper house of Russian parliament, believes that Turkey is bearing collective responsibility for the terrorists’ actions as it maintains connections with the Islamic State.

"It’s clear the Islamic State and the groupings of the same mold have been gathering strength and enjoying persistent large-scale support on the part of a number of nations and, very unfortunately, we can state Turkey happens to be one of them," Kosachev said on Wednesday. "In this light, Turkey is bearing collective responsibility for all the actions of terrorist and the global terrorist community as a whole."

As he spoke about the shooting down of a Russian Sukhoi-24 fighter jet in the skies over Syria by the Turkish Air Force, he said: "There is every ground to believe the Turkish authorities knew perfectly well what they were doing and in reality they were defending their political and, in many ways, economic interests."

"Unfortunately, there is much evidence showing active collaboration between Turkish businesses and the Islamic States outlets," Kosachev said. "They make a ploy of chaos in the area and make revenues on contraband oil and oil products, on looted works of art, on everything that poorly guarded but sells well."

"In fact, Turkey is turning into a beneficiary of illicit business brewing on the Syrians’ blood," Kosachev said. "These are not just small business owners fishing in muddled waters because Turkish elites are enmeshed in the process, too.".

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Russia FM points to gross violation of Syria flight safety memorandum

The United States assumed responsibility for observance of relevant regulations by all participants of the coalition it leads, including Turkey

MOSCOW, November 25. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, in Wednesday’s phone conversation with US Secretary of State John Kerry, pointed to a gross violation of the Russian-US memorandum of ensuring safety of flights of combat aircraft in Syria, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported Wednesday.

"The situation around an unprovoked attack by Turkey’s Air Force on a Russian bomber, which was fulfilling the task to fight terrorists on Syrian territory, was discussed," the ministry said.

"The minister pointed to a gross violation of the Russian-American memorandum on ensuring safety of combat aircraft flights in Syria, in which the United States assumed responsibility for observance of relevant regulations by all participants of the coalition it leads, including Turkey," it said.

An F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force downed on Tuesday Russia’s Su-24M bomber (NATO reporting name Fencer) over the territory of Syria.

The Su-24M crew managed to eject, but one of the two pilots was killed by fire from the ground, the search for the second continued. The second pilot has been rescued.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov earlier on Wednesday noted that Moscow knows the US always demands from its coalition members in Syria to coordinate use of US combat planes. Thus, he pointed to the possibility of the Turkish authorities agreeing with the United States their decision to order its warplanes in the air to shoot down the Russian plane.

"Some members of the coalition, including those providing their combat planes for strikes against Iraq and Syria have confided to us the planes involved were of US manufacture and the Americans normally request US permission for such operations," Lavrov said. "As far as I understand, our plane was downed by a US-made F-16. It remains to be seen whether the US requirement is applicable to Turkey, and if it is, I would like to know if Turkey had asked the United States for permission to send its planes on a combat mission and to shoot down a plane, albeit probably an identified one, over Syrian territory."

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The United States assumed responsibility for observance of relevant regulations by all participants of the coalition it leads, including Turkey

MOSCOW, November 25. /TASS/. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, in Wednesday’s phone conversation with US Secretary of State John Kerry, pointed to a gross violation of the Russian-US memorandum of ensuring safety of flights of combat aircraft in Syria, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported Wednesday.

"The situation around an unprovoked attack by Turkey’s Air Force on a Russian bomber, which was fulfilling the task to fight terrorists on Syrian territory, was discussed," the ministry said.

"The minister pointed to a gross violation of the Russian-American memorandum on ensuring safety of combat aircraft flights in Syria, in which the United States assumed responsibility for observance of relevant regulations by all participants of the coalition it leads, including Turkey," it said.

An F-16 fighter of the Turkish Air Force downed on Tuesday Russia’s Su-24M bomber (NATO reporting name Fencer) over the territory of Syria.

The Su-24M crew managed to eject, but one of the two pilots was killed by fire from the ground, the search for the second continued. The second pilot has been rescued.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov earlier on Wednesday noted that Moscow knows the US always demands from its coalition members in Syria to coordinate use of US combat planes. Thus, he pointed to the possibility of the Turkish authorities agreeing with the United States their decision to order its warplanes in the air to shoot down the Russian plane.

"Some members of the coalition, including those providing their combat planes for strikes against Iraq and Syria have confided to us the planes involved were of US manufacture and the Americans normally request US permission for such operations," Lavrov said. "As far as I understand, our plane was downed by a US-made F-16. It remains to be seen whether the US requirement is applicable to Turkey, and if it is, I would like to know if Turkey had asked the United States for permission to send its planes on a combat mission and to shoot down a plane, albeit probably an identified one, over Syrian territory."

http://tass.ru/en/politics/839358


It really doesn't need all those words, if Putin was responsible because a Russian designed weapon downed MH17, Obama is responsible for the down Russian bomber. American plane, American missile, American trained pilots. Obama is guilty!

Shirtfront him!

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Turkish Stream Falls Under Russia's Restrictive Measures Against Turkey

16:07 26.11.2015(updated 16:13 26.11.2015)

Russia's Economic Development Minister stated that the Turkish Stream gas pipeline project falls under the restrictive measures against Turkey.

The restrictions against Ankara may also include the Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant, which is currently under construction in the southern province of Mersin in Turkey.

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UK to Step Up Cooperation With Russia, Iran in Anti-ISIL Fight – Cameron

Britain will step up its diplomatic efforts on Syria crisis settlement and cooperation with Russia and Iran to combat Islamic State militants more effectively, UK Prime Minister David Cameron said Thursday.

LONDON (Sputnik) – The statement comes as the British parliament is scheduled to vote on starting an aerial campaign against the ISIL jihadists in Syria in December. If the parliament supports Cameron’s proposal to launch airstrikes on the militants’ positions in Syria, the bombing may start within hours after the decision is made, according to media reports.

"We will intensify our diplomatic engagement, to build trust between the parties and to deliver an inclusive settlement for the people of Syria. That includes working with Russia and Iran, in order to build the consensus that will allow for a more effective and coordinated international campaign against ISIL [IS]," Cameron said in a statement to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

The ISIL, a radical Sunni group, has ceased vast areas in Iraq and Syria, forcing thousands of people to flee their homes.

Russia and the United Kingdom are among countries currently engaged in countering ISIL militants. Britain has been launching anti-ISIL airstrikes as part of a US-led coalition since 2014 in Iraq. Russia has begun conducting its own aerial campaign against the militants in Syria in September, following a request from Syrian President Bashar Assad.

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People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.




lol. Peace via Russia and China? lol. Both nations have probably killed more people in the last 100 years than every other nation put together.


Give us evidence that they killed around the world more people than America and the west.
Oh yes I forgot they killed millions in India, American Indians, Iraqis, Afghanistanes, Jews, Australian Aborigines, New Zealend Maoris, millions of African slaves, all of that was done by Russia and China.
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“The moment our pilot was in safety the area was heavily bombed by the Russian Air Force and shelled by Syrian government forces artillery,” ministry spokesman General-Major Igor Konashenkov told a media briefing. Russian Defense Ministry

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Russian deputies seek accountability for Armenia genocide denial


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MOSCOW: Russian lawmaker Sergei Mironov said Wednesday his party had submitted a bill to parliament on holding to account anyone who denies that the 1915 killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turkish forces was a "genocide."

"We have just submitted a bill on responsibility for failure to acknowledge the fact of a genocide of Armenians by Turkey in 1915," Mironov, the leader of the opposition Just Russia party, said on his Twitter account, a day after the Turkish air force shot down a Russian jet.


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It comes a little more than 24 hours after a Russian jet was downed by Turkey after it buzzed Turkish airspace.
Initial fears that it could have been a bomb planted by an ISIS sleeper cell or a retaliation by Moscow were dampened by Turkish officials who insisted there was no terror link.





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athos wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:00am:
Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 7:01pm:
athos wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:56am:
People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.




lol. Peace via Russia and China? lol. Both nations have probably killed more people in the last 100 years than every other nation put together.


Give us evidence that they killed around the world more people than America and the west.
Oh yes I forgot they killed millions in India, American Indians, Iraqis, Afghanistanes, Jews, Australian Aborigines, New Zealend Maoris, millions of African slaves, all of that was done by Russia and China.
Of course in accordance with brainwashed zombies , Fox and CNN.





You do know that Mao was responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and Stalin killed about 30 million in his collectivisation alone.

It's not either/or athos. China and Russia and the US are capable of living with respect for each other. They have too much to lose by doing otherwise.
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Reply #140 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:07am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:37am:
athos wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:00am:
Culture Warrior wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 7:01pm:
athos wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 8:56am:
People in the world face two options: Totally to be enslaved under dominion of US Wall Street banksters or to live in peace protected by Russia and China.
If Russia fails in its mission of liberating people from the western arrogance than that is the and of civilized world. Therefore pray for Putin and Russia.




lol. Peace via Russia and China? lol. Both nations have probably killed more people in the last 100 years than every other nation put together.


Give us evidence that they killed around the world more people than America and the west.
Oh yes I forgot they killed millions in India, American Indians, Iraqis, Afghanistanes, Jews, Australian Aborigines, New Zealend Maoris, millions of African slaves, all of that was done by Russia and China.
Of course in accordance with brainwashed zombies , Fox and CNN.





You do know that Mao was responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths and Stalin killed about 30 million in his collectivisation alone.

It's not either/or
athos. China and Russia and the US are capable of living with respect for each other. They have too much to lose by doing otherwise.


I asked you for evidence that they killed PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WHO THEY'VE WANTED TO ENSLAVE AS THE WEST DID.
What they did in their back yards that's not your and western business and also it is negligible in comparison with genocides that westerners did to other peoples in the world thru the history.
Before judge others judge yourself if you don't want to be a worst Hypocrite.

Unfortunately US and west have demonstrated that's not correct due to their infinite ambitions to conquer and expand and enslave others. Otherwise why west and NATO encircled Russian borders. As I said before Russia is the last obstacle for US and the west in general to rule the world thru oppression and Wall Street slavery. That's a reality everything else is an illusion. Only solution is a multi polar world with Russia and China also superpowers instead presently uni polar world with only one superpower USA.
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Reply #141 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:53am
 
Russians killed FSA genaral  who coordinated with Turkish military planning and organized murdering of Russian Su-24 jet pilots.


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Reply #142 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 10:59am
 
The latest information from Syrian war on:

Russian military forum in English:

http://www.russiadefence.net/t4689p255-syrian-civil-war-news-4
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Erdoğan: No apology to Russia, they need to apologize to us

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan appeared set to increase tension with Russia in the wake of his country’s downing of a Russian jet on Nov. 24, vowing that his country would offer no apology for the incident.

“I think if there is a party that needs to apologize, it is not us,” Erdoğan said in an exclusive interview with CNN International on Nov. 26. “Those who violated our airspace are the ones who need to apologize. Our pilots and our armed forces, they simply fulfilled their duties, which consisted of responding to ... violations of the rules of engagement. I think this is the essence.”

Earlier the same day, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Turkey still had not apologized for the downing of the Russian warplane or given assurances that “the culprits of this crime” would be punished. Speaking at the Kremlin, Putin complained that he had not received an apology from Turkey or an offer “to make up for the damages.” Russia previously insisted that its plane never violated Turkish airspace as Turkey claimed.

Putin also said he regretted the fact that relations between Turkey and Russia had been driven into a stalemate.

Speaking to reporters during a visit to the Turkish Cypriot capital of Nicosia on Nov. 26, Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu also said Ankara would not apologize to Moscow.

“We don’t need to apologize on an occasion in which we are right,” Çavuşoğlu said. “But we said on the phone [Nov. 25] that we are sorry,” he said, referring to a telephone conversation with his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov. 

Hours before the release of his interview with CNN International, Erdoğan addressed a group of village chiefs when he said Turkey had no reason to target Russia.

“We are exerting efforts to maintain peace and serenity in the region, not create new tensions. There is no reason to target Russia with whom we have multidimensional and very strong relations … Our disagreement with Russia on Syria is one thing and the activation of our rules of engagement is something else,” Erdoğan said.

The Turkish president also dismissed “emotional” suggestions that projects with Russia could be canceled following the Nov. 24 incident, which was one of the most serious publicly acknowledged clashes between a NATO member and Russia for half a century, and further complicated international efforts to battle the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Syria.

“We are strategic partners. ‘Joint projects may be halted, ties could be cut.’ Are such approaches fitting for politicians?” Erdoğan asked.

“First the politicians and our militaries should sit down and talk about where errors were made and then focus on overcoming those errors on both sides. But instead, if we make emotional statements like this, that wouldn’t be right,” he said.

Medvedev on Nov. 25 alleged that Turkish officials were benefiting from ISIL oil sales, while Lavrov said it was no secret that “terrorists” use Turkish territory.

“Shame on you. It’s clear where Turkey buys its oil and gas ... Those who claim we are buying oil from Daesh like this must prove their claims. Nobody can slander this country,” Erdoğan said, using an Arabic acronym for ISIL.

“If you are seeking the source of weaponry and financial power of Daesh, the first place to look is the regime [of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad] and the countries that act with it,” he said.

On Nov. 25, Putin also argued that the current leadership of Turkey was purposefully supporting the country’s Islamization.

“The problem is not in the tragedy we faced yesterday [the Su-24 incident], the problem is much deeper,” Putin told reporters. “We see – and not only we, I assure you that the entire world sees it as such – that the current leadership of Turkey has been for a number of years pursuing a purposeful policy of support and the Islamization of the country,” Putin said.

Erdoğan had a response for those remarks as well.

“Turkey's 99 percent [of the population] is Muslim, how can you say that? How can a phrase like that be used? Can I come up and say ‘The administration is exerting efforts at the Christianization of Russia?’ There are 30 millions of Muslims living there,” Erdoğan said. “Tayyip Erdoğan is Muslim. This country’s 99 percent is Muslim. Then what should I exert efforts for? We are solely exerting efforts to fulfill what our religions requires; that’s what we do,” he said.

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Two journalists arrested for story on intelligence trucks bound for Syria

Cumhuriyet Editor-in-Chief Can Dündar and the daily’s Ankara Bureau Chief Erdem Gül were arrested Nov. 26 due to a story about Turkish intelligence trucks bound for Syria in early 2014.

“We are accused of ‘spying.’ The president said [our action is] ‘treason.’ We are not traitors, spy, or heroes; we are journalists. What we have done here was a journalistic activity,” Dündar said before testifying to prosecutors Nov. 26.

“Of course this prosecution will help enlighten how these incidents took place, rather than how we covered this story.”

Dündar and Gül were arrested on charges of espionage and being a member of an armed terrorist organization based on reports in  Cumhuriyet regarding Syrian-bound trucks sent by the National Intelligence Agency (MİT).

The armed organization mentioned by the prosecutors refers to Fethullahist Terrorist Organization (FETÖ), a term used by prosecutors to define the followers of Fethullah Gülen, a U.S.-based Islamic scholar.

Footage released by Cumhuriyet on May 29 reportedly showed gendarmerie and police officers opening crates on the back of trucks which contained what the daily described as weapons and ammunition sent to Syria by MİT in January 2014.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan filed an individual criminal complaint against Dündar and Cumhuriyet on June 2, claiming that the story “included some footage and information that are not factual” while saying the person “who wrote the story will pay a heavy price.”

The criminal complaint, which was filed to the Ankara Chief Prosecutor’s Office to be sent to Istanbul where Cumhuriyet is based, argued that the newspaper “participated in the actions” of the U.S.-based Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, Erdoğan’s erstwhile ally, whose followers are accused of infiltrating the police, the judiciary and the bureaucracy.

“By publishing fabricated footage and information that were leaked to him by the parallel organization, [Dündar] participated in the actions of the organization’s members who searched the trucks and plotted with fabricated evidence to create a perception … that the Republic of Turkey as helping terrorist organizations,” the complaint said.

The plaintiff accused Dündar of both “trying to manipulate justice” with fabricated material and “violating confidentiality” by publishing the story. Erdoğan’s lawyer, Muammer Cemaloğlu, also requested the prosecutor launch a public lawsuit following the investigation.

Erdoğan said on Nov. 24 that whether or not the trucks carried weapons was irrelevant.

“What difference would it make whether the trucks contained weapons or not?” he asked, defining the publishing of the story as a “betrayal.”

Erdoğan claimed the trucks were set to deliver humanitarian aid to Bayırbucak Turkmens and that the journalists were complicit in “sabotaging” this aid merely to harm the image of himself and the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government.



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Reply #145 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:55pm
 
Turkey is gradually moving into the ranks of a criminal state
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Russian Defense Ministry refutes reports on destruction of relief convoy by Russian jets

Major General Igor Konashenkov drew the journalists’ attention to the fact that the photos and video materials from the scene did not show any craters from explosions

MOSCOW, November 26 /TASS/. Reports that Russian warplanes have allegedly hit a Syrian relief convoy, which was on its way from Turkey, is speculation, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov told journalists on Thursday.

"Foreign media reports that Russian warplanes have allegedly destroyed a column of trucks from an ‘aid convoy’, which was on its way from Turkey, near the Bab el Salam border crossing are speculation," the major general said.

Konashenkov drew the journalists’ attention to the fact that the photos and video materials from the scene did not show any craters from explosions and no splinters which were supposed to have cut all the trucks subject to the shelling and bombardment.

"Finally, nothing was left of those ammunitions. Therefore, we would recommend you not to try to pass off a burning truck convoy with munitions meant for the militants operating to the north of Aleppo as relief aid next time," the Russian general said.

"The Turkish side never notified anybody that it was planning to send a relief convoy. Let alone, that any aid convoy should have special identification marks," he added.

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Turkey to Cooperate With Russia on Downed Su-24 - Turkish PM 27.11.2015

Turkey will cooperate with Russia to reduce tensions over the incident with the Russian Su-24 shot down in Syria, the Turkish Air Force, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu stated in a column for The Times newspaper.

On Tuesday, a Russian Su-24 attack aircraft was downed by an air-to-air missile while carrying out precision strikes against terrorists in northern Syria. The missile was fired by a Turkish F-16 fighter in response to alleged violation of the Turkish airspace by the Russian jet.

"While the measures to defend our territory will remain in place, Turkey will work with Russia and our allies to calm tensions,"- Reuters reports, citing the Turkish Prime Minister.

On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin dismissed Turkey's claims that it was impossible to recognize the downed warplane in Syria as a Russian attack aircraft before the attack.

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Greek Protesters Burn US, Turkish Flags, Want Out of NATO After Su-24  27.11.2015

A crowd of Greek citizens gathered in the center of Athens to express their condemnation of the attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber. The protesters burnt Turkish and American flags and demanded that Greece withdraws from NATO.

On Tuesday, a Russian Su-24 aircraft was shot down while on a mission against terrorists in northern Syria by a Turkish F-16 fighter in response to an alleged violation of the Turkish airspace.

About one hundred Greeks gathered Thursday on the Athens' central Square Syntagma and headed towards the Turkish embassy, Ria Novosti reported. They were stopped by police 300 meters away from the Embassy, right next to the monument in honor of Greek pilots that died in an incident with the Turkish air force near Imia island in 1996. After that incident, the two NATO countries were on the verge of war.

"How symbolic!" one of the demonstrators exclaimed.

The protesters were holding banners condemning NATO. They also burnt US and Turkish flags and dropped leaflets demanding that Greece withdraws from the alliance.



A police cordon didn't let Panagiotis Lafazanis, the leader of a new Greek left-wing political party, Popular Unity, and one of the protest organizers hand over an address for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to the Embassy officials, citing orders from above.

"The whole world is disturbed by the possible consequences of a Russian plane downing by your country. Contrary to your claims, the aircraft didn't violate Turkish airspace and acted within Syrian territory in a mission against the Islamic State terrorist group." the address read. "We don't know who is responsible for the order to destroy the aircraft. We want to believe this madman wasn't you."

The protest participants cited daily violations of Greek airspace by Turkish planes.

"Maybe Greek pilots should follow the example of the crazy Turkish officer and down all Turkish military planes that violate our country's airspace on a daily basis?" they questioned.

People in the crowd expressed their support for Russia's actions in the Middle East aimed at preventing the spread of Islamic extremism and terrorism in the region, saying there is no defense for what Turkey has done. They believe that the world leaders understand it is essential to unite against the threat coming from the self-proclaimed Islamic State.

"Russia is currently on the frontline not letting this 'carcinoma' grow," a protestor said. "We agree with the Russian president that what Ankara did was a stab in the back. Not only in Russia's back, but in the back of the international anti-terrorist coalition."

The protesters added that they expect an official announcement from the Greek government regarding the provocation by Ankara.

Ankara claimed it downed the Russian airplane because it violated Turkey's airspace. Both the Russian General Staff and the Syrian Air Defense Command confirmed that the Su-24 aircraft never crossed into Turkish airspace.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said in a Wednesday statement that the downing of the Su-24 plane is a violation of the memorandum of understanding signed by Russia and the United States on flight safety during combat missions over Syria. In the document, the United States swears responsibility for the implementation of relevant rules by all participants of the US-led coalition, including Turkey, the ministry stressed.

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US Refuses to Disclose Information on Who Fired at Su-24 Pilot From Ground


“We don’t have anything on this issue,” the US Defense Ministry representative told Ria Novosti.

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LIVE: Putin and Hollande give a joint press conference following their meeting - English Audio
Streamed live on 26 Nov 2015

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Published on 26 Nov 2015

One of Russia's most advanced air defence systems, the S-400 Triumf, was deployed to Hmeymim Air Base in Syria on Thursday, after being carried by plane to the military facilities.





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Reply #151 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:34pm
 
Putin is blowing up the rebels Turkey financed and backs, Putin is blowing up the Caliphate oil trucks that make Bilal Erdogan rich.

Putin supports Assad who Turkey want to remove, Turkey is killing Turkish citizens yet nobody says Erdogan should go for doing the exact same as Assad.

I reckon Erdogan is desperate to get rid of the Russians from this conflict, using Nato is probably the only option for Erdogan in getting rid f the Russians.

Since Russia is the only country invited by the Syrian government they should test out these SAM's on any Turkish planes that cross into Syrian airspace.
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Reply #152 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
Whatever the Turks thought they could gain by this little stunt its backfiring on them spectacularly:

Russia to Cooperate With US-Led Coalition
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/26/world/middleeast/ap-syria-the-latest....

Russian warplanes bomb Turkish-Syrian border town: residents
http://news.yahoo.com/russian-warplanes-bomb-turkish-syrian-border-town-resident...

YPG(Kurds) try to advance on rebel areas in northern Aleppo in coordination with the Russian airforce.
https://twitter.com/Abduhark/status/669937756039196672
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Reply #153 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:57pm
 
jmjcare wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 1:31pm:
LIVE: Putin and Hollande give a joint press conference following their meeting - English Audio
Streamed live on 26 Nov 2015



Hollande is full of poo and Putin knows it!  he probably told him we're not telling Assad to go but if he does it's up to the Syrian People as the 11 Million who voted for him last election under UN observers.  Hollande didn't go to Moscow to participate in a "coalition" that's a front to the real messages taking place behind the scenes!
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‘Commercial scale’ oil smuggling into Turkey becomes priority target of anti-ISIS strikes


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Islamic State’s daring and impudent oil smuggling into Turkey should become a high-priority target in order to cripple the terrorist group, President Putin said, backed by French President Francois Hollande. Both agree that the source of terrorist financing must be hit first and foremost.
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Commercial-scale oil smuggling from Islamic State controlled territory into Turkey must be stopped, Putin said after meeting Hollande in Moscow.

“Vehicles, carrying oil, lined up in a chain going beyond the horizon,” said Putin, reminding the press that the scale of the issue was discussed at the G20 summit in Antalya earlier this month, where the Russian leader demonstrated reconnaissance footage taken by Russian pilots.

READ MORE: Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev

The views resemble a “living oil pipe” stretched from ISIS and rebel controlled areas of Syria into Turkey, the Russian President stressed. “Day and night they are going to Turkey. Trucks always go there loaded, and back from there – empty.”
“We are talking about a commercial-scale supply of oil from the occupied Syrian territories seized by terrorists. It is from these areas [that oil comes from], and not with any others. And we can see it from the air, where these vehicles are going,” Putin said.

“We assume that the top political leadership of Turkey might not know anything about this [illegal oil trade]. Hard to believe, but it is theoretically possible,” Putin said, adding that this however does not excuse Ankara from not stopping the illegal smuggling of oil.


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Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President


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Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the current President of Turkey.
Bilal Erdogan owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdogan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.


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Reply #156 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:10pm
 
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‘Commercial scale’ oil smuggling into Turkey becomes priority target of anti-ISIS strikes


https://cdn.rt.com/files/2015.11/original/5657ac08c36188d8148b45a8.jpg

Islamic State’s daring and impudent oil smuggling into Turkey should become a high-priority target in order to cripple the terrorist group, President Putin said, backed by French President Francois Hollande. Both agree that the source of terrorist financing must be hit first and foremost.
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Islamic State, Russian anti-terror op in Syria
Commercial-scale oil smuggling from Islamic State controlled territory into Turkey must be stopped, Putin said after meeting Hollande in Moscow.

“Vehicles, carrying oil, lined up in a chain going beyond the horizon,” said Putin, reminding the press that the scale of the issue was discussed at the G20 summit in Antalya earlier this month, where the Russian leader demonstrated reconnaissance footage taken by Russian pilots.

READ MORE: Ankara defends ISIS, Turkish officials have financial interest in oil trade with group - PM Medvedev

The views resemble a “living oil pipe” stretched from ISIS and rebel controlled areas of Syria into Turkey, the Russian President stressed. “Day and night they are going to Turkey. Trucks always go there loaded, and back from there – empty.”
“We are talking about a commercial-scale supply of oil from the occupied Syrian territories seized by terrorists. It is from these areas [that oil comes from], and not with any others. And we can see it from the air, where these vehicles are going,” Putin said.

“We assume that the top political leadership of Turkey might not know anything about this [illegal oil trade]. Hard to believe, but it is theoretically possible,” Putin said, adding that this however does not excuse Ankara from not stopping the illegal smuggling of oil.


https://www.rt.com/news/323603-isis-oil-smuggling-turkey/



Those dirty double crossing Turks -

buying oil to fund ISIS.
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Reply #157 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:30pm
 
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Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2015/11/bila...

Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, commonly known as Bilal Erdogan (born 23 April 1980) is the third child of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the current President of Turkey.
Bilal Erdogan owns several maritime companies. He has allegedly signed contracts with European operating companies to carry Iraqi stolen oil to different Asian countries. The Turkish government buys Iraqi plundered oil which is being produced from the Iraqi seized oil wells. Bilal Erdogan’s maritime companies own special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan ports that are transporting ISIS’ smuggled crude oil in Japan-bound oil tankers.


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Good video - very enlightening.

France & Russia will destroy the conveys of oil tankers -

no more cheap oil for the Turkish traitors.
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You shall not pass: Cutting-edge Russian air defense system brought to base in Syria


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Russia deploys cutting-edge S-400 air defense system to Syrian base after Su-24 downing
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You shall not pass: Cutting-edge Russian air defense system brought to base in Syria


Published on Nov 26, 2015
Russia deploys cutting-edge S-400 air defense system to Syrian base after Su-24 downing



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they are not going to F around like the Yanks.
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Turkish F-16 attacked Russian Su-24 without warning, both were above Syria – commander


Published time: 27 Nov, 2015 14:13

A Turkish fighter jet launched a missile at a Russian bomber on Tuesday well ahead of the Su-24 approaching the Turkish border, the chief of Russia’s Air Force said. The bomber remained on Turkish radars for 34 minutes and never received any warnings.

The attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber was intentional and had been planned in advance, Viktor Bondarev, the chief of Russia’s Air Force, announced Friday, calling the incident an “unprecedented backstab.”

The commander shared with the media previously unknown details of what happened on Tuesday.

On October 24, a pair of Russian Sukhoi Su-24 tactical bombers took off from Khmeimim airbase in Latakia at 06:15 GMT, with an assignment to carry out airstrikes in the vicinity of the settlements of Kepir, Mortlu and Zahia, all in the north of Syria. Each bomber was carrying four OFAB-250 high-explosive fragmentation bombs.

Ten minutes later, the bombers entered the range of Turkish radars and took positions in the target area, patrolling airspace at predetermined heights of 5,800 meters and 5,650 meters respectively.

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https://www.rt.com/news/323651-turkey-su24-downing-syria/

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Turkish Jets Ambushed Russian Su-24 - Russian Air Force Commander

Turkish warplanes made an ambush for the Russian Su-24M bombers, otherwise they would not have had enough time to take off from an airbase and reach the area, Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Friday.

Turkey had been tracking the Russian Su-24 for 34 minutes before shooting it down, Bondarev said. Turkish fighter jets were warned about Russian warplanes beforehand and waited in ambush prior to the attack.

"The radar surveillance data confirms that two F-16 fighter jets were patrolling the flight zone for an hour an 45 minutes at an altitude of 2,400 meters [some 7,800 feet], which speaks of a deliberate action and their readiness to attack from an ambush over the Turkish territory," Bondarev told reporters in Moscow.

According to Bondarev, the Russian pilots have not received any warnings from the Turkish pilots on the designated radio frequency.

The Turkish plane spent 40 seconds in the Syrian airspace, entering it for two kilometers, the commander said.

"According to radar tracking data, it was the Turkish warplane that crossed into the Syrian airspace for about 40 seconds to a depth of 2 kilometers [6,560 feet], while the Russian fighter-bomber never violated the Turkish border", he said.

According to the Syrian Air Defense data, "an object moving at a speed of 810 kmph from Turkey was registered".

The Su-24 was downed at a distance of 5,5 kilometers to the south of the Turkish border immediately after it had attacked terrorists.

"At 10.24 Moscow time the crew carried out bombing and after it the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile launched by a Turkish Air Force F-16 that had taken off from the 8th Diyarbakir airbase on the Turkish territory."

Bondarev added that a Turkish F-16 fighter jet was guided to its intended target from the ground and launched an air-to-air missile while the Russian warplane was readying to carry out a second attack on terrorist positions.

"After approaching the Su-24M at a distance of launching a missile (5-7 kilometers), which proves that the F-16 was in the Syrian airspace, the fighter jet made a sharp descending manoeuvre to the right and disappeared from the radars."

The launch of a missile was confirmed by the crew of the second Russian Su-24.

"[The crew] observed a plume of a white smoke and reported it."

Turkey downed the Russian plane on November 24 over Syria. One of the pilots was killed by fire from the ground, the second one was rescued.

The rescue operation to save the second pilot was conducted professionally, the commander said. The survivor was being hunted down by "well-equipped groups" of militants. After the pilot had been evacuated, Russian "bombers delivered massive, crushing airstrikes" on the area, the commander elaborated.

The attack on the plane was filmed by radicals who knew where and when they could "get that exclusive footage", Bondarev added. The readiness of Turkish media to cover the accident was surprising, as the video of the missile striking the Su-24 was uploaded to YouTube by a private Turkish TV-channel just 1,5 hours after the accident.

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Reply #163 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:03am
 
Turkish President Erdoğan warns Russia ‘not to play with fire’


President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has warned Russia “not to play with fire” in the wake of a crisis between Ankara and Moscow following the downing of a Russian jet by Turkey on Nov. 24 near the Syrian border.

“[Russian President Vladimir] Putin says ‘those who have double standards on terrorism are playing with fire.’ I totally agree with him,” Erdoğan said Nov. 27 in the northern province of Bayburt.

“Indeed, supporting the [Bashar] al-Assad regime in Syria, which has killed 380,000 people, is playing with fire. Striking opposition groups that have international legitimacy with the excuse of fighting against Daesh [an acronym of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, ISIL] is playing with fire. Using an incident in which Turkey’s righteousness is accepted by the whole world as an excuse to torment our citizens who were in Russia to attend a fair is playing with fire. Irresponsibly hitting trucks in the region that are there for trade or humanitarian reasons is playing with fire. We sincerely advise Russia not to play with fire,” he added.

Erdoğan also expressed his willingness to meet Putin during the upcoming climate change summit in Paris in order to find common ground and avoid a further escalation of tension.

“We are uncomfortable with efforts to take the dispute over the downed jet into other areas of relations. Let’s not allow that to happen,” he said, underlining that maintaining good relations was beneficial for both countries.

Claiming that Turkey’s shooting down of the Russian jet was not “intentional” but simply a result of an automatic enforcement of rules of engagement, Erdoğan nevertheless argued that Turkey was right to do so.

“Turkey has proved its honesty” by releasing audio recordings of the warnings issued to the Russian pilots, he added.

Erdoğan also touched on the joint press conference held by Putin and French President François Hollande on Nov. 26, describing the former’s comments as “unacceptable.” Denying allegations that Turkey has been purchasing oil from ISIL, Erdoğan said the oil trade between ISIL, Russia and the Syrian regime had been documented by the United States.

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Reply #164 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:11am
 
Syria FM says US should study rumors Erdogan’s son is involved in oil trade with IS


According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, the United States could not have been unaware of the scale of the Islamic States’ oil industry but preferred to spare it

MOSCOW, November 27. /TASS/. US Secretary of State John Kerry should check out reports on the involvement of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s son in illegal oil trade with the Islamic State terrorist group, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said on Friday.

"I’d like to mention rumors that Erdogan’s son could be involved in illegal oil trade with the IS, although this has not been proved. If I was in Kerry’s place, I’d make an attempt to shed light on these reports," Maullem said commenting on Kerry’s statements that Damascus was buying oil from terrorists.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also touched upon the topic.

According to the Russian minister, the United States could not have been unaware of the scale of the Islamic States’ oil industry but preferred to spare it.

"The United States-led coalition had begun to fly over Iraq and Syria, without the consent from the Syrian government by the way, more than a year before our aerospace force launched an operation there," he said. "I am sure they saw this but due to some unknown reasons preferred not to interfere. Only after the Russian aerospace force had launched an operation in this area they began to deliver strikes at this criminal industry. And it looks highly improbable that it was a mere coincidence that after that our Turkish neighbors began to behave so, to put it mildly, nervously."

Lavrov said Russia hopes that the United States will support the UN Security Council resolution on sponsors of oil extraction by the Islamic State terrorist group.

"Now we have submitted a particular proposal to task the UN secretary general with summing up in two weeks all the information about who supports this illegal oil industry of the IS," Lavrov said after talks with his Syrian counterpart Walid Muallem in Moscow.

"I hope that US Secretary of State John Kerry will support us and such a resolution will be adopted," Lavrov said.

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U.S. Says Syria Is Buying Oil From Islamic State
U.S. Treasury Department blacklists Syrian businessman for facilitating transactions
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-says-syria-is-buying-oil-from-islamic-state-1448...
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Britain’s secret ties to governments, firms behind ISIS oil sales


by Nafeez Ahmed  Jul 31

In the scramble to access Kurdistan’s oil and gas wealth, the US and UK are turning a blind eye to complicity in ‘Islamic State’ oil smuggling.

Key allies in the US and UK led war on Islamic State (ISIS) are covertly financing the terrorist movement according to senior political sources in the region. US and British oil companies are heavily invested in the murky geopolitical triangle sustaining ISIS’ black market oil sales.

The Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq and Turkish military intelligence have both supported secret ISIS oil smuggling operations and even supplied arms to the terror group, according to Kurdish, Iraqi and Turkish officials.

One British oil company in particular, Genel Energy, is contracted by the KRG to supply oil for a major Kurdish firm accused of facilitating ISIS oil sales to Turkey. The Kurdish firm has close ties to the Iraqi Kurdish government.

Genel operates in the KRG with the backing of the British government, and is also linked to a British parliamentary group with longstanding connections to both the British and KRG oil industries.

The relationship between British and Kurdish energy companies, and senior British politicians, raises questions about conflicts of interest — especially in the context of a ‘war on terror’ that is supposed to be targeting, not financing, the ‘Islamic State.’

Kurds, Turks and blind eyes

One of ISIS’ most significant sources of revenue is oil smuggling. The Islamic State controls approximately 60% of Syria’s oil, and seven major oil-producing assets in Iraq.

Using a carefully cultivated network of intermediaries and ‘middlemen’ in the Kurdish region of Iraq, as well as in Turkey, ISIS has been able to produce a phenomenal 45,000 barrels of oil a day, raking in as much as $3 million a day in cash by selling the oil at well below market prices.

But the sheer scale and impunity of this oil smuggling network has caused local politicians to ask whether certain officials in the KRG and Turkey are turning a blind eye to these operations.

Iraqi, Kurdish and Turkish officials have accused both the KRG and Turkish governments of deliberately allowing some of these smuggling operations to take place.

Tensions between the KRG and Iraq’s central government in Baghdad are escalating over who controls production and revenues from oil fields within the Kurdish region. Kurdish officials see the oil within the Kurdish-controlled territory of Iraq as a means to seek greater autonomy, if not potentially total independence, from Baghdad — whereas the Iraqi government seeks to ensure it retains sovereign control over all sales from its own oil fields, which include those in the KRG.

Those tensions reached a crescendo when the KRG began unilaterally selling oil by exporting it to Turkey, bypassing Baghdad.

Complicity

KRG and Turkish authorities vehemently deny any role in intentionally facilitating ISIS oil sales. Both governments have taken measures to crackdown on smuggling operations, and US and UK authorities work closely with the KRG to identify ISIS smuggling routes.

Despite KRG arrests of Kurdish ‘middlemen’ involved in the ISIS black market oil sales, evidence continues to emerge that these measures are largely piecemeal, and have failed to address corruption at the highest levels.

According to a senior source in the Iraqi government’s ruling Islamic Dawa Party, US and Iraqi authorities have developed “significant intelligence confirming that elements of the KRG have tacitly condoned ISIS oil sales on the black market.”

The source, which has direct access to top Iraqi government officials, said that the KRG had originally seen the ISIS invasion of Iraq as an opportunity to consolidate Kurdish control over disputed territory, especially the oil-rich region of Kirkuk. The Kurds had not, however, anticipated how powerful ISIS’ presence in the region would become.

In the early period of the invasion last year, he said:

“Elements of the KRG and Peshmerga militia directly facilitated secret ISIS oil smuggling through the Kurdish province. This was known to the Americans, which shared intelligence on the matter with the Iraqi government in Baghdad.”

The issue inflamed tensions between Baghdad and the KRG, contributing to efforts by Hussein al-Shahrestani, then Iraq’s deputy prime minister for energy affairs, to crackdown on independent Kurdish oil exports.

His successor, new oil minister Adel Abdul-Mehdi, was brought in through a reshuffle in September last year that was engineered under US diplomatic pressure. Unlike Shahrestani, the source said, Abdul-Mehdi has a much more conciliatory approach to the Kurdish oil question, one which also happens to suit the interests of US and British investors in the KRG: “This has meant that Baghdad has also been much more lax on evidence of ISIS oil smuggling through the KRG.”

The source confirmed that under mounting US pressure, “KRG authorities have taken serious steps to curb the illegal smuggling on behalf of ISIS. But the smuggling still continues, although at a more restrained level, with the support of elements of KRG’s ruling parties, who profit from the black market oil sales.”

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Turkey also plays a crucial role in the ISIS oil smuggling operations according to the Iraqi source. As the end-point through which much of this oil reaches global markets, Turkish authorities have routinely turned a blind eye to the IS-run black market. “The Turks have an acrimonious relationship with the Americans,” he claimed, but admitted that US intelligence is familiar with Turkey’s role:

    “US intelligence is monitoring many of these smuggling operations in minute detail. Some of this intelligence has been passed on to us. The Americans know what is going on. But Erdogan and Obama don’t have a great relationship. Erdogan basically does what he likes, and the US has to lump it.”

The allegations have been confirmed by Turkish government officials and parliamentarians. In particular, a source with extensive connections to the Turkish political establishment including the office of the Prime Minister, said that Turkey’s support for Islamist rebels opposed to Bashir al-Assad’s reign in Syria began long before the emergence of the Islamic State, and was pivotal in the group’s meteoric rise to power.

Turkey, a longstanding NATO member, is part of the US-led coalition fighting IS, and has been integral to the region’s ‘moderate’ rebel training schemes supervised by Western military intelligence agencies.

“Turkey is playing a double-game with its Syria strategy,” said the source.

    “Turkey has sponsored Islamist groups in Syria, including ISIS, since the beginning, and continues to do so. The scale of ISIS smuggling operations across the Turkish-Syrian border is huge, and much of it is facilitated with the blessings of Erdogan and Davitoglu, who see the Islamists as the means to expand the Turkish foothold in the region.”

Recep Tayyip Erdogon is the President of Turkey, and Ahmet Davutoglu is the country’s Prime Minister. Asked how this fits with recent Turkish operations to shut-down ISIS smuggling operations and target ISIS strongholds across the border, the source described the actions as too little, too late.

“These actions fit with Erdogan’s strategy of expansion,” he said. “We are not trying to shut down the infrastructure of ISIS, we are attacking it selectively.”

A shadow network in broad daylight

The ISIS oil smuggling route — which encompasses the KRG and ends up at the Turkish port of Ceyhan — was recently investigated by two British academics at the University of Greenwich.

The paper by George Kiourktsoglou, Lecturer in Maritime Security and former Royal Dutch Shell strategist, and Dr Alec Coutroubis, Acting Head at the Faculty of Engineering and Science, attempted to identify suspicious patterns in the illicit oil trade.

Their extraordinary study, published by Maritime Security Review in March, examined the international route used by ISIS, based on “a string of trading hubs” comprising the localities of Sanliura, Urfa, Hakkari, Siirt, Batman, Osmaniya, Gaziantep, Sirnak, Adana, Kahramarmaras, Adiyaman and Mardin. “The string of trading hubs ends up in Adana [in southeast Turkey], home to the major tanker shipping port of Ceyhan.”

By comparing spikes in tanker charter rates from Ceyhan with a timeline of ISIS activities, the University of Greenwich analysis identified significant correlations between the two. Whenever the Islamic State fights “in the vicinity of an area hosting oil assets, the… exports from Ceyhan promptly spike. This may be attributed to an extra boost given to crude oil smuggling with the aim of immediately generating additional funds.”

While the evidence is still “inconclusive” at this stage, the authors wrote that “there are strong hints to an illicit supply chain that ships ISIS crude from Ceyhan” to global markets. Since the launch of the ISIS oil venture in summer 2014, “tanker charter rates from Ceyhan re-coupled up to a degree with the ones from the rest of the Middle East.”

Though they could not be categorical, primary research including interviews with informed sources indicated that this was most likely “the result of boosted demand for ultra-cheap smuggled crude, available for loading” from the Turkish port.

Kiourktsoglu and Coutroubis call for “further research” on ISIS criminal ventures which “can potentially integrate it within the global economy.” The academics have previously given evidence before the parliamentary foreign affairs select committee regarding maritime security off the Somalian coast.

Their study also highlights failures in the US military approach to the ISIS oil operations. Although they commend how US, Turkish and Gulf air raids have “curtailed” the Islamic State’s “oil cashflows” by destroying some “oil manufacturing facilities,” this has not gone far enough. They report that:

“… extraction wells in the area of bombardments have yet to be targeted by the US or the air-assets of its allies, a fact that can be readily attributed to the at times ‘toxic’ politics in the Middle East.”

Despite large convoys of trucks transporting ISIS oil through government-controlled areas in Syria, Iraq and Turkey, “allied US air-raids do not target the truck lorries out of fear of provoking a backlash from locals.” As a result, “the transport operations are being run efficiently, taking place most of times in broad daylight.”

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Reply #168 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 6:45am
 
Bobby wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:41pm:


Good video - very enlightening.

France & Russia will destroy the conveys of oil tankers -

no more cheap oil for the Turkish traitors.


And for Erdogan's son Balil.

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Reply #169 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:09am
 
No mention on CNN of the miles of convoys of oil tankers heading towards Turkey with cheap oil:


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/middleeast/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-shot-d...

CNN is not telling the truth.

The Turks are traitors  - providing money to ISIS for cheap illegal oil
& they are supposed to be NATO allies -
the Yanks have backed Turkey's side!

What a farce!

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Viral:
Russian Chief General: We shall provide Syria with accurate missiles so that they can target Turkish president's bedroom


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Moscow Times – The Russian chief of Staff, General Valery Gerasimov, slammed the U.S. deceitful policies in the crisis riddled Middle-East region, accusing Turkey NATO member of facilitating terrorists’ attacks on Syria, Moscow's traditional Arab ally.


"Since 2011, Mr. Obama sought to topple the democratically-elected president of Syria , for more than four years they fabricated stories to tarnish the Syrian government , all these years Obama and his henchmen—namely Turkey’s Erdoğan — tried to destabilize the region which left hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrians killed or displaced”, RIA Novosti quoted General Gerasimov as saying.

Here in Moscow we were keen on discerning how much public support there is for Erdoğan, added Gen. Gerasimov, and now we believe he is nothing but a megalomaniac despot dreaming to restore the rotten Ottoman Empire by subjugating Turkey's neighboring countries; but as it concerns the Russian Federation, the more Erdoğan supports his al-Qaeda mercenaries, the faster will come his fall.


Through the history Russians never dumped their allies, and according to orders issued by Mr. President [Putin], the best of Russian elite forces will soon put boots on the ground in Syria to annihilate Saudi and Turkish-backed terrorists," said Gen. Gerasimov, adding that Moscow will provide Syria with accurate ballistic missiles to target Erdoğan’s own bedroom, so that Turkey and Syria can get rid of the Hitler of Middle-East.


Meanwhile the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed surprise on Monday over White House’s warning to Russia about escalating the 4-year civil war in Syria. Foreign Ministry stated that the Kremlin’s Syrian policy — in particular, supplying military aid to help the Syrian army confront terrorists — had been coherent with Moscow's long-term agenda in the Middle-East.
“We have always supplied equipment to them [Syrians] for their struggle against al-Qaeda terrorists,” Maria V. Zakharova, the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said in an interview. “We are supporting them, we were supporting them and we will keep on doing so” in that fight.

General Gerasimov concluded his statement by saying; “We will never abandon our allies and together we will defeat Obama, this time on the Syrian soil.”


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Reply #171 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:12am
 
Nothing in our media about the miles of oil tankers taking oil to to Turkey.
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Reply #172 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 10:49am
 
Now a while back I said I could see Obama's fingerprints on this.
And now I see that Putin has accused the US of leaking shared air traffic data to the Turks.
Obama is so witless he doesn't know who his real friends are.
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Reply #174 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 12:59pm
 
Bobby wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:12am:
Nothing in our media about the miles of oil tankers taking oil to to Turkey.


They are here after Russian airstrikes.

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Bobby wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:12am:
Nothing in our media about the miles of oil tankers taking oil to to Turkey.


Media Deception: You Are Not Getting The Truth

The Corporate Media And Network News Is Controlled And Works Against Us
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Somehow I get the feeling that all the terrorist groups in Iraq and Syria are backed by the US, NATO & Turkey.

The Turks wouldn't have the balls to shoot down a Russian Jet without US backing.

I just hope this doesn't turn into WW3.

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An Invisible US Hand Leading to War? Turkey’s Downing of a Russian Jet was an Act of Madness


In considering the terrifying but also sadly predictable news of a Russian fighter jet being downed by two Turkish fighters, let’s start with one almost certain assumption — an assumption that no doubt is also being made by the Russian government: Turkey’s action, using US-supplied F-16 planes, was taken with the full knowledge and advance support of the US. In fact, given Turkey’s vassal status as a member of US-dominated NATO, it could well be that Ankara was put up to this act of brinksmanship by the US.

What makes the downing of the Russian jet, and the reported death of at least one of its two pilots (the other was reportedly captured alive by pro-turkish Turkmen fighters on the Syrian side of the Syria-Turkish border, and will presumably be returned to Russia) so dangerous is that as a member of NATO, supposedly a “mutual assistance” treaty that binds all members to come to the defense of one that is attacked, if Russia were to retaliate by downing a Turkish military plane, NATO countries including the US would be obligated to come to Turkey’s defense.

Russia knows this, and that is why so far the Russian response to the downing has been muted. Had it been a Jordanian, Saudi or Kuwaiti jet that downed the Russian SU-24, Russia’s response would have been instantaneous. The guilty party would have had some of its planes shot down, or perhaps even bombed on the ground. But President Putin so far has limited himself to demanding a meeting, to warning that Russian-Turkish economic relations would be threatened, etc.

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Now a while back I said I could see Obama's fingerprints on this.
And now I see that Putin has accused the US of leaking shared air traffic data to the Turks.
Obama is so witless he doesn't know who his real friends are.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is now the leader of the Free World against Islamist terrorism, directing the efforts of France and Germany and setting terms for American involvement. Reeling from last week’s massacre in Paris, France lacks both the backbone and the brute force to avenge itself against ISIS, but in alliance with Russia it will  make a more than symbolic contribution.

In 2008 I endorsed Putin for the American presidency, in jest, of course. Now he is leading America’s president by the nose and directing the anti-terror efforts of France and Germany. No-one could have anticipated Putin’s sudden ascent to global leadership during the past several weeks. Russia is in the position of a a vulture fund, buying the distressed assets of the Western alliance for pennies on the dollar. Faced with an American president who will not fight, and his European allies whose military capacity has shrunk to near insignificance, the Russian Federation seized the helm with the deployment of a mere three dozen war planes and an expeditionary force of 5,000 men. One searches in vain through diplomatic history to find another case where so much was done with so little. As an American, I feel a deep humiliation at this turn of events, assuaged only slightly by Schadenfreude at the even deeper humiliation of America’s foreign policy establishment.
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Amnesty slams Turkey for expelling dozens of Syrian refugees
Sat Nov 28, 2015

Amnesty International has slammed Turkey for expelling dozens of Syrian refugees to their war-stricken country, saying the move is in violation of international law.

According to a new report released by the UK-based rights group, a total of about 80 Syrian asylum seekers, who were previously held incommunicado in a detention center in the Turkish city of Erzurum, were forced to leave for their country, with 50 more people facing deportation.

They were all arrested in September for holding a peaceful demonstration against being banned from entering Greece.

“Incommunicado detention has been strongly criticized by international human rights bodies,” the report said.

Moreover, forced deportation is also against international law, which forbids countries from returning asylum seekers to conflict zones where their lives are in danger, known as the non-refoulement principle, a principle of international law that forbids the rendering of a true victim of persecution to his or her persecutor.

    “These deportations violate Turkey’s domestic law as well as its international legal obligations. The deportations amount to refoulement banned under the 1951 Refugee Convention as well as numerous other binding instruments including the Convention against Torture,” the report further read, adding that the expelled refugees had no opportunities or legal representation to challenge their deportation.

The report also documented a number of cases of Syrian refugees that were beaten in detention and were forced to sign documents written in Turkish, a language that they could not understand, stating that they were leaving for their country at will.

    “But these returns are anything but voluntary. Some told us that they were locked in a room until they agreed to sign. In other cases police officers literally took their hand and used their fingerprints to act as signature,” said Andrew Gardner, Turkey's researcher for the rights group.

It is not the first time that the Turkish government has expelled Syrian asylum seekers to their country and put their lives at risk by deporting them. In 2013, hundreds of Syrians, who were kept at a refugee camp in the southeastern province of Sanliurfa, were forcibly returned to their country.

The Syrian conflict, which started in March 2011, has claimed the lives of more than 250,000 people and left over one million injured, according to the United Nations.

The world body says some 12.2 million people, including more than 5.6 million children, remain in need of humanitarian assistance. The foreign-sponsored militancy has also internally displaced 7.6 million people and compelled over four million others to take refuge in neighboring countries, including Jordan and Turkey.

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Tens of Militants Surrender to Syrian Gov't in Lattakia Province 
Fri Nov 27, 2015

TEHRAN (FNA)- Some 159 wanted militants turned themselves in to the Syrian authorities to be pardoned as the army continues to purge almost the entire coastal province of Lattakia of terrorist groups, sources said on Friday.

The sources said that the recent victories of the Syrian army and National Defense Forces (NDF), with the back up of the Russia fighter jets, have caused too many Takfiri terrorists to lay down their guns and apply for government pardoning in Lattakia province.

Earlier reports said today that the Syrian Army and popular forces, with the Russian aerial back up, pushed back the militant groups from Tal Sifah and Tal al-Malouha in the Northern countryside of Lattakia province.

The sources said that the pro-government forces and the Russian fighter jets stormed the militant groups in the Northern part of the coastal province of Lattakia and restored security to Tal Sifah and Tal al-Malouha after killing or wounding scores of the terrorists.

The Russian Defense Ministry said Thursday that the Syrian army with the support of Russian aircraft blocked the cross-border supply of weapons to the ISIL militants in the mountainous areas of the Syrian province of Lattakia.

In other areas of Northern Syria, the Russian Air Force controls all the main routes of delivery of weapons and ammunition preventing them from reaching ISIL militants, Ministry Spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

"As a result of repeated airstrikes on militants by the Russian aviation, the Syrian government forces have taken full control over the mountainous areas in the North of the province of Lattakia, thereby completely blocking the cross-border supply of weapons, ammunition and other assets of the terrorists in the province," he said.

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Reply #180 - Nov 28th, 2015 at 2:01pm
 
jmjcare wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
Bobby wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 9:12am:
Nothing in our media about the miles of oil tankers taking oil to to Turkey.


Media Deception: You Are Not Getting The Truth

The Corporate Media And Network News Is Controlled And Works Against Us
Truth Must Spread By Word of Mouth, By We The People, Or Else It's Never Told



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The USA: Military Arm Of The New World Order
Is Pax Americana imposed by
the ‘Fourth Reich’?


http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/10/the-usa-military-arm-of-the-new-world-ord...



The Russians are sorting the problem out.

Our media is telling us lies.
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Turkey suspends Syria flights after crisis with Russia

The Turkish army has suspended flights over Syria as part of an ongoing joint military campaign with the United States against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) after it shot down a Russian jetfighter, sparking an unprecedented crisis between Ankara and Moscow.

The decision was taken following the eruption of the crisis with Russia in which a Turkish F-16 downed a Russian warplane early Nov. 24 after it allegedly violated Turkish airspace, according to diplomatic sources. 

Sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, stressed that the suspension of the Turkish jetfighters’ participation in the U.S.-led military operations against ISIL was in fact a mutual decision taken with Russia, which also halted its aerial campaigns near the Turkish border. Both parties will continue to be as careful as possible in a bid to avoid a repetition of such incidents until they re-establish dialogue channels to reduce the tension.

Turkish and Russian military officials held initial talks on the incident on Nov. 25 as the office of the Chief of General Staff invited defense and military attachés from the Russian Embassy to military headquarters to inform them about how the incident took place. However, there is still a need for high-level political meetings to let the two parties reconcile and reduce the tension.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu proposed to his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, a meeting on Dec. 3 or 4 in Belgrade on the sidelines of an international conference. However, the Russian side has not yet confirmed that the meeting will take place.

Turkey-Russia hotline established in October

Following the downing of the plane, the existence of a memorandum from October emerged calling for the establishment of a special radio channel between Turkish and Russian warplanes.

Russia’s deputy Air Force commander, Maj. Gen. Sergei Dranov, visited Ankara on Oct. 15 following consecutive airspace violations by Russian warplanes after Moscow started a massive military campaign in Syria on Sept. 30. The objective of the agreement and the establishment of the channel was to avoid potential confrontation between the two countries’ air forces, sources said.

The agreement was largely similar to one Russia agreed on with the U.S., sources said. “Russia’s message to us during the Oct. 15 talks was like: ‘We use only one channel in Syria. Contact us through this channel to send your warnings to avoid problems.’ We accepted this, and we have issued all our warnings through this channel since then. As this channel is being used by the U.S. Air Force as well, warnings Turkey has made to Syria have been recorded by both the Russian air base [in Syria] and the Americans at İncirlik base [in Adana].”

Russia’s non-response regarded as threat

Although Turkish pilots reportedly warned two Russian warplanes 10 times in five minutes while they were approaching Turkish airspace, there was no response on this special radio channel, sources said.

“Despite the agreement with Russia, the fact that both warplanes did not communicate through this channel caused Turkish pilots to profile these planes as ‘Profile: Syria aircraft,’ and consider the situation a ‘serious threat’ as part of the military rules of engagement. One of the aircraft returned to Syrian airspace but the other that insisted on heading toward Hatay was downed by the F16s,” a source said.

Air Force commander aware

A military official also said the downing of the Russian warplane occurred within the knowledge of Turkish Air Force Cmdr. Gen. Abidin Ünal and under the political instruction of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu.

“Pilots have full authority and should follow a certain procedure in the implementation of the rules of engagement. In the ‘combat phase,’ pilots inform the base but do not seek consent. Every step pilots take in the emergency phase is followed by the relevant commanders. During the five-minute warning period, both Air Force Commander Gen. Ünal and Combat Air Force and Air Missile Defense Commander Lt. Gen. Mehmet Şanver were informed. The pilots succeeded in implementing the procedure as there was no negative command from either commander,” the official said.

November/27/2015

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I'm not sure if Athos posted this one before, if so just ignore.

This was Published on 9 Oct 2015

"Turkey" Will Be Called Upon To Attack "Syria" ~ Imran Hosein New 2015


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Sheikh Imran Hosein:
"The Conquest of Constantinople is about to come"


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athos wrote on Nov 28th, 2015 at 7:51am:
Viral:
Russian Chief General: We shall provide Syria with accurate missiles so that they can target Turkish president's bedroom


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Moscow Times – The Russian chief of Staff, General Valery Gerasimov, slammed the U.S. deceitful policies in the crisis riddled Middle-East region, accusing Turkey NATO member of facilitating terrorists’ attacks on Syria, Moscow's traditional Arab ally.


"Since 2011, Mr. Obama sought to topple the democratically-elected president of Syria , for more than four years they fabricated stories to tarnish the Syrian government , all these years Obama and his henchmen—namely Turkey’s Erdoğan — tried to destabilize the region which left hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrians killed or displaced”, RIA Novosti quoted General Gerasimov as saying.

Here in Moscow we were keen on discerning how much public support there is for Erdoğan, added Gen. Gerasimov, and now we believe he is nothing but a megalomaniac despot dreaming to restore the rotten Ottoman Empire by subjugating Turkey's neighboring countries; but as it concerns the Russian Federation, the more Erdoğan supports his al-Qaeda mercenaries, the faster will come his fall.


Through the history Russians never dumped their allies, and according to orders issued by Mr. President [Putin], the best of Russian elite forces will soon put boots on the ground in Syria to annihilate Saudi and Turkish-backed terrorists," said Gen. Gerasimov, adding that Moscow will provide Syria with accurate ballistic missiles to target Erdoğan’s own bedroom, so that Turkey and Syria can get rid of the Hitler of Middle-East.


Meanwhile the Russian Foreign Ministry expressed surprise on Monday over White House’s warning to Russia about escalating the 4-year civil war in Syria. Foreign Ministry stated that the Kremlin’s Syrian policy — in particular, supplying military aid to help the Syrian army confront terrorists — had been coherent with Moscow's long-term agenda in the Middle-East.
“We have always supplied equipment to them [Syrians] for their struggle against al-Qaeda terrorists,” Maria V. Zakharova, the Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, said in an interview. “We are supporting them, we were supporting them and we will keep on doing so” in that fight.

General Gerasimov concluded his statement by saying; “We will never abandon our allies and together we will defeat Obama, this time on the Syrian soil.”


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Dear master Light,

your posts are alarmist in nature.

Do not live in fear but trust in the force to guide you.

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Bobby wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:11am:
Dear master Light,

your posts are alarmist in nature.

Do not live in fear but trust in the force to guide you.

namaste


many blessings sir bobby

do you think drama is coming or do you think its all over regarding turkey vsv russia ?

here is an animal upon your world ,that is a reflection of your affliction ..

...

now tell me , sir bobby with your head clouded in darkness by your own design ..

when will the sky fall as your global climate cult announces?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253

...

...

either way be at peace yet and however ,there no need to be in your fear

beloved being .. simply watch as facts unfold

as these facts are posted without your approval

or permission .. does this comfort you ?

im interested with forgiveness

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Reply #191 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:52am
 
we continue here as the drama unfolds with facts

all of those with feint of heart , may initialize

ostrich pose and stance while others

observe fact and are informed

with truthful happenings

be calm and lets continue


http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/28/439527/Turkey-Syria-army-arms-supply-Dae...

Turkey arms supplies to Syria militants increased: Syrian army

Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:41PM

...
In this file photo, a foreign-backed militant takes cover during clashes with the Syrian army in Azaz, northwestern Syria. (AP photo)
Syria’s military says Ankara has recently increased its supplies of weapons, ammunition and equipment to militant groups fighting against the government of President Bashar al-Assad.

The Syrian army command made the announcement in a statement released on Saturday, saying that Turkey sends the arms in shipments claiming they are humanitarian aid.

The statement added that Turkey had targeted the Syrian army positions with a number of mortar shells on Friday night.

Ankara has repeatedly been accused of being one of the main supporters of the militant groups operating in Syria, with reports saying that Turkey actively trains and arms the Takfiri militants there and facilitates their safe passage into the Arab country.

Turkish opposition daily Cumhuriyet published videos in a June report implicating the Turkish Intelligence Service, also known as the MIT, in ensuring safe passage into Syria for the Takfiri Daesh terrorists.
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Reply #192 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:59am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:44am:
Bobby wrote on Nov 29th, 2015 at 6:11am:
Dear master Light,

your posts are alarmist in nature.

Do not live in fear but trust in the force to guide you.

namaste


many blessings sir bobby

do you think drama is coming or do you think its all over regarding turkey vsv russia ?

here is an animal upon your world ,that is a reflection of your affliction ..

http://www.conversationmarketing.com/disasters/ostrich-head.jpg

now tell me , sir bobby with your head clouded in darkness by your own design ..

when will the sky fall as your global climate cult announces?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1421385253

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/6e/db/7f/6edb7faa233bc9f5e6bc2b4c69f46...

http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/fffgggg-meme-generator...

either way be at peace yet and however ,there no need to be in your fear

beloved being .. simply watch as facts unfold

as these facts are posted without your approval

or permission .. does this comfort you ?

im interested with forgiveness

namaste




Dear master Light,
there is no need for you to worry about that which is foreseen.
All is well if you trust in the force.

I find your lack of faith in the force to be disturbing.
How else can we account for what we see here?




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Reply #193 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:08am
 
No US airstrikes in Syria since Russia deployed S-400 systems


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Both the American and Turkish air forces halted their strikes on Syrian territory around the time Russia deployed S-400 air defense complexes at the Khmeimim airbase, from which it stages its own incursions against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL).
A spokesperson of the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve (CJTF-OIR) told Sputnik on Friday that the absence of anti-IS coalition airstrikes “has nothing to do with the S400 deployment” in Syria.

“The fluctuation or absence of strikes in Syria reflects the ebb and flow of battle,” the spokesperson said, adding that CJTF-OIR deliver airstrikes when and where it needs to, dedicating a lot of time to researching targets to ensure maximum effect and minimizing civilian casualties.

As CJTF-OIR reported on Friday, the US-led coalition had made no sorties against targets in Syria bsince Thursday, while airstrikes against Islamic State in Iraq continued, with the coalition making 18 strikes on terrorist positions.

After the incident, Russia’s Joint Staff took the decision to enhance air defenses at the Khmeimim airbase south of the Syrian port of Latakia.

The following day, on November 25, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced the immediate deployment of S-400 misslies to Syria.

S-400 Triumph system missile launchers were airlifted to Syria by Antonov An-124 Ruslan super-jumbo aircraft 24 hours after the decision was announced on Wednesday.


According to open sources, the S-400 is capable of shooting down any existing aircraft, helicopter or missile traveling at speeds of up to 4.8 kilometer per second (over 17,000 km/h) The only target the system would have problems with is a nuclear warhead of intercontinental ballistic missile, which flies at speeds of up to 6-7 kilometer per second.

The S-400 engages targets at distances as far as 400 kilometers and heights of up to 27 kilometers (or higher with newer missiles). This is enough to cover at least 75 percent of Syrian territory, along with the airspaces of Lebanon, Cyprus, half of Israel and a vast part of Turkey.

The S-400’s radar has a range of 600 kilometers and is capable of discriminating even objects moving on the ground, such as cars and military vehicles.

...

S-400 radar covers Syria, western regions of Iraq and Saudi Arabia, nearly all of Israel and Jordan, Egypt’s northern Sinai, a large part of the eastern Mediterranean and Turkish airspace as far as the capital Ankara.

https://www.rt.com/news/323815-syria-s-400-us-airstrikes/
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Reply #194 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:13am
 
Syrian Turkmen commander who 'killed' Russian pilot turns out to be Turkish ultranationalist


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many blessings sir bobby

we continue here with ontopic factual analysis and disregard any confusions

from off topic agendas and bruised egos

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Paul Craig Roberts On Russia, Turkey, NATO & Where It's All Heading!
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Reply #196 - Nov 29th, 2015 at 7:16am
 
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many blessings sir bobby

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from off topic agendas and bruised egos

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Paul Craig Roberts On Russia, Turkey, NATO & Where It's All Heading!




Dear master Light,
you previous post mentioned climate etc referring to me &
this was clearly off topic.

this is forgiven

and so it is

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Turkish intelligence chief: "ISIS is a reality and we must stop Putin from crushing the Islamic revolution"


Turkish intelligence chief thinks west should recognize Islamic (ISIS) republic

...


Turkish intelligence chief: 'Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future'


Ankara. Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that no one can eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

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Like old friends ISIS militants chatting with Turkish border guards.


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many blessings beloved beings

all is in flux and motion now as all continues to be revealed

in these revelations we do endure upon this world ,

hold the space , hold the light !

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Jewmerica Sanctions Syria (Again!)

Accusing
Syria of buying oil from ISIS, Adam Szubin—a
JEW
, of course—
acting
as US Treasury’s ‘Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence,’ imposed sanctions on Syrian and Russian businessman he claims are middlemen of the trade.

The individuals and entities
listed
by Szubin will have their US assets frozen and barred from doing business with US companies or individuals.

Among
those
blacklisted
are Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, a long-serving
president
of the World Chess Federation, and George Haswani, a Syrian national, and his company, Hesco Engineering and Construction.

Szubin
claims
that Haswani serves as a middleman for oil purchases by the Syrian regime from ISIS, accusing him of operating “in areas controlled by ISIS.”

How low can US Treasury Jews go? As low as hell of which they are citizens.

How about slapping sanctions on the big fish in Turkey and Israel?
View All JEW Treasury Sanctions On Syria
.

ISIS
captured
most of Syria’s oil fields in central and eastern Syria, having
seized
the country’s last oil field in September. (The fields don’t personally belong to Assad.)

If any of US Treasury’s accusations were true, Assad is in the unfortunate position of having to deal somehow with the glorified ISIS mafia extortioners for Syria’s own oil resources in order to keep military and civilian energy needs running.

The Syrian Minister of Petroleum
said
the allegations were untrue and condemned the sides which have facilitated stealing and marketing the Syrian oil.

He stressed that those sides are the same countries that made marketing this stolen oil legitimate by Resolution 186 dated April 22, 2013 which was issued by the European Union.

Contrary to Jew Szubin’s sanctions against a Syrian and Russian businessman, the biggest
conduit
of ISIS crude are independent truckers, who either sell the crude off to other middlemen or refine the oil themselves in makeshift mobile refineries.

The
bulk
of oil products are sold in local markets directly to the residents and gas stations, later sold to independent gas stations in the ISIS mafia caliphate, or into parts of Syria and Iraq that ISIS doesn’t control, or else smuggled into Turkey where it is sold in local markets.

So, yes, ISIS gasoline is flowing through the engines of its enemies and not just Syria, nor is the Syrian government facilitating it.

But don’t confuse the Jews who
run
US Treasury with facts.

THEN THERE IS TURKEY’S
deep links
with ISIS, including oil business conducted by Turkish middlemen and government officials including the Erdogan family.

There is substantial
evidence
that Bilal Erdogan, Prime Minister Erdogan’s son, is directly involved in the black market oil business with Islamic State.

“IS has big money from selling oil and are protected by the military of an entire nation (Turkey). One can understand why they are acting so boldly and blatantly,”
said
Russian President Vladimir Putin this past Tuesday.

After Turkey refines the oil, it
goes out
on the world market, and then Turkey
uses
the proceeds to buy and ship weapons to ISIS and other anti-Assad terrorist bands.

IN ANY CASE, it’s far different to be forced to buy back your own stolen oil from occupied energy fields for the sake of your own people, and another for
US-enabled Turkey
to be in
partnership
with ISIS and
buying
low-priced stolen oil from ISIS to line their own pockets.

The purpose of US bombings of ISIS-occupied oil fields is to destroy Syria’s energy infrastructure. It’s nothing less than Jewmerica’s bizarre twist on scorched earth warfare.

And the twisting of our
Jew-ruined
country continues.

But along comes Putin and he’s
foiling
Jewmerica’s wicked plans.

Go here for the links to the red words
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1082
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Turkish president ‘sad’ about Russia plane downing


Sat Nov 28, 2015

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has expressed “sadness” over a recent move by Turkey’s military to shoot down a Russian fighter jet near the Syrian border.

Erdogan said on Saturday that he regretted the November 24 downing of the Su-24M fighter jet, which Turkish officials had accused of violating the Turkish airspace.

"We are truly saddened by this incident," Erdogan said. "We wish it hadn't happened as such, but unfortunately such a thing has happened. I hope that something like this doesn't occur again."

Russia dismisses Ankara’s claims and says the fighter jet was downed in the Syrian airspace, where the Russian air force has been carrying out combat sorties against Takfiri terrorists since September 30 upon a request by the Syrian government.

    “This incident upset us greatly. I really hope this will not happen again,” Erdogan stated.

The Turkish president had on Friday warned Russia “not to play with fire,” in reference to Moscow’s potential retaliatory moves over the incident, which may include an array of economic and military sanctions.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Friday that “Turkey’s reactions to the incident… reminds of the Theatre of the Absurd.”

During the Saturday address, Erdogan urged Russia to leave the door open for a mutual settlement of the dispute.

    “We shall discuss this issue and find a solution. On Monday, Paris will host the international climate summit, this could be a chance to restore our relations with Russia,” Erdogan said, adding, “Confrontation will not make anyone happy. As Russia is important for Turkey, Turkey is important for Russia. We cannot remove each other from the horizon.”

In response to the Tuesday incident, Russia has imposed restrictions on tourist travel with Turkey, while a large number of Turkish trucks are left stranded at the Russian border. The Russian Defense Ministry has also suspended all military agreements with Turkey.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry on Saturday said it is preparing travel alert for citizens willing to go to Russia. Cheesy

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/28/439483/Turkey-Erdogan-Russia-fighter-jet

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Erdogan's Twisted Logic: S-400 Must Not Shoot Down Turkish Jets Over Syria


27.11.2015

In what is a prime example of twisted logic, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Russia against using its ultra-modern S-400 air defense system to shoot down Turkish fighter jets if they violate Syrian airspace just days after Ankara brought down a Russian Su-24 bomber.

Downing a Turkish warplane over Syrian territory would qualify as aggression, Erdogan told CNN in response to a question on what would happen if a Turkish fighter jet were to stray into Syrian territory.

"This kind of an incident which may happen of course will further push us to take measures. … Of course it will be an aggression against our rights of sovereignty and it is a natural right of [Turkey] to protect those rights," Erdogan said.

On Tuesday, a Turkish F-16 shot down the Su-24, claiming that the aircraft violated its airspace. Russian officials and the Su-24 pilot, who survived the crash, insist that the plane did not cross into Turkey. The crew, according to the pilot, did not receive any warning prior to the attack.

The Su-24 was involved in Russia's counterterrorism efforts in Syria aimed at assisting Damascus in its fight against ISIL and other extremist groups trying to overthrow Bashar al-Assad.

Erdogan refused to apologize for the incident, which Russian President Vladimir Putin referred to as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists."

http://sputniknews.com/military/20151127/1030838679/erdogan-su24-s400-syria-airs...
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Prominent Kurdish lawyer shot dead in southeast Turkey
Published time: 28 Nov, 2015 10:51

The president of the bar association in southeastern Diyarbakir province has been shot dead by unidentified gunmen while giving a public speech.

A campaigner for Kurdish rights, Tahir Elci had been criticized for challenging Turkey's official stance of calling the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) a terrorist organization.



Elci died of gunshots to the head, hospital sources confirmed.

After making comments about PKK on CNN Turk TV in October, Elci was detained. He was subsequently released and had been awaiting trial.

The killing took place while Tahir Elci was making a statement to the media. According to the state Anadolu news agency, it was Kurdish insurgents that opened fire, killing Elci, as well as a police officer, and injuring three other people, among them correspondents of the leading Turkish media organizations – the Anatolia and Dogan news agencies.

Two policemen were also killed in the attack, officials said, adding that one officer had been shot dead on the spot while another died of his injuries later in hospital.

A gun battle erupted after gunfire was opened at police from an unidentified car, Interior Minister Efkan Ala told the media. The official did not mention if anyone had been detained, Reuters reported.

The attack in which Elci was killed might be "an assassination," Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Saturday in a televised speech, Hurriyet Daily News reported. But "there are two possibilities," the PM added, saying that the other might be an accident, with the lawyer having been caught in an exchange of fire between security forces and attackers. 

A curfew was declared in the region.

Pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) described Elci's killing as a "planned assassination," Reuters reported citing HDP's statement, which added: "In the place left by Tahir Elci, thousands more Tahir Elcis will carry on the work in the struggle for law and justice."

Tahir Elci studied law in Europe and took part in many high profile cases in the Turkish courts. The lawyer was among the founding members of many human rights and non-governmental organizations.

“The moment the statement ended, the crowd was sprayed with bullets,” Reuters cited Omer Tastan, a local official from the pro-Kurdish HDP party, as saying.

“A single bullet struck Elci in the head,” Tastan said, adding that 11 people were also wounded in the incident.

Dogan News Agency recorded a video of the incident, showing a group of gunmen hiding behind the minaret of a nearby mosque close to where Elci was making his statement. When he finished speaking, the group opened fire at the lawyer and people standing beside him.

“A person ran towards Tahir Elci, fired and then started to run away,” Dogan news agency’s reporter Felat Bozarslan recalls.

The PKK demands greater autonomy for Turkey's Kurds and is classified as a terrorist organization in Turkey and the US.

After the ceasefire agreement between the PKK and Turkish security forces ended in July, hundreds of people were killed in terror acts and clashes in addition to the estimated 40,000 who have died since the Kurds started their armed struggle for autonomy in 1984.

https://www.rt.com/news/323826-turkey-kurdish-lawyer-killed/
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