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Reply #45 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:20am
 
Russian Su-24 pilots shot dead while parachuting over Syria - Turkmen militia


As the two Russian pilots descended by parachute after the Su-24 jet was downed, both were shot dead by Turkmen forces, Reuters reports citing a deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade in Syria.



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Reply #46 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:27am
 


MAP: Russian Su-24 crash scheme by defense ministry


Published on Nov 24, 2015
Russian Defense Ministry demonstrates map of the Su-24M flight which ended in downing by Turkish F-16 jet. Russian MoD insists the jet didn’t violate Turkish airspace, while Ankara says the plane crossed into its territory for 17 seconds, leaked document indicates.
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Reply #47 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:36am
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd9_1448395974

Russia deploys missile cruiser off Syria coast, ordered to destroy any target posing danger


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Moscow plans to suspend military cooperation with Ankara after the downing of a Russian bomber by Turkish air forces, Russian General Staff representatives said on Tuesday. Further measures to beef up Russian air base security in Syria will also be taken.

Three steps as announced by top brass:

1. Each and every strike groups’ operation is to be carried out under the guise of fighter jets

2. Air defense to be boosted with the deployment of Moskva guided missile cruiser off Latakia coast with an aim to destroy any target that may pose danger

3. Military contacts with Turkey to be suspended

Sergey Rudskoy, a top official with the Russian General Staff, condemned the attack on the Russian bomber in Syrian airspace by a Turkish fighter jet as “a severe violation of international law”. He stressed that the Su-24 was downed over the Syrian territory. The crash site was four
kilometers away from the Turkish border, he said.

Rudskoy said the Russian warplane did not violate Turkish airspace. Additionally, according to the Hmeymim airfield radar, it was the Turkish fighter jet that actually entered Syrian airspace as it attacked the Russian bomber.

The Turkish fighter jet made no attempts to contact Russian pilots before attacking the bomber, Rudskoy added.

“We assume the strike was carried out with a close range missile with an infra-red seeker,” Rudskoy said. “The Turkish jet made no attempts to communicate or establish visual contact
with our crew that our equipment would have registered. The Su-24 was hit by a missile over Syria’s territory.

”Russia now plans to implement new measures aimed at strengthening the security of the country’s air base in Syria and in particular to bolster air defense.

Russian guided missile cruiser Moskva, equipped with the ‘Fort’ air defense system, similar to the S-300, will be deployed off Latakia province's coast.

"We warn that every target posing a potential threat will be destroyed,” lieutenant general Sergey Rudskoy said during the briefing.

The Moskva (‘Moscow’) missile cruise is a flagship vessel of the Russian Black Sea fleet and is one of the fleet’s two biggest ships. The cruiser was stationed in Sevastopol but left in summer 2015 after being deployed to the Mediterranean Sea where it joined Russia’s standing naval force in the Mediterranean.

Since September 30, the Moskva cruiser acts as a covering force for the Russian air forces in Syria
while deployed in the eastern Mediterranean.

“All military contacts with Turkey will be suspended,” Rudskoy added.
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Reply #48 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:40am
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3f_1448387182

Putin Describes Turkey as a “Terrorist Accomplice” after shooting down Russian jet


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In a meeting with King Abdullah II bin Al-Hussein of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, Russian President Vladimir Putin has said: “today’s loss is a result of a stab in the back delivered by terrorists’ accomplices,” referring to the Turks downing a Russian jet resulting in the death of two Russian pilots.

He reiterates that the Russian jet was one kilometre away from the Turkish border within Syria flying at an altitude of 6,000 metres. It fell four kilometres from the Turkish border.

The pilots ejected safely but were shot down by Turkmen militants who then retrieved the bodies.

Putin explains the mission the pilots were undertaking.

“They were conducting an operation to fight ISIS in northern Latakia – a mountainous area where militants, mainly those coming from the Russian Federation, are concentrated. In this sense, they were doing their direct duty delivering preventive blows at terrorists who could return to Russia at any moment. Those people should certainly be classified as international terrorists,” he says.

More revealing, Putin exposes the Turkish and ISIS oil connection. He notes the movement of oil from ISIS-occupied areas to Turkey and how it is funding the terrorist group.

“If ISIS is making so much money – we are talking about tens or maybe even hundreds of millions, possibly billions of dollars – in oil trade and they are supported by the armed forces of an entire state, it is clear why they are being so daring and impudent, why they are killing people in such gruesome ways, why they are committing terrorist attacks all over the world, including in the heart of Europe,” Putin states.

Putin also revealed that today’s events would have a “significant consequences for Russian-Turkish relations.” He did not expand further on what these consequences could be.

Although Russia and the United States have opened greater dialogue to prevent air tragedies in Syria, he questions why Turkey as a fellow NATO member and key US ally has not acted in suit. He describes Turkey’s behaviour as “stabbing us in the back by hitting our planes that are fighting terrorism.”
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Reply #49 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:49am
 
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/11/putin-closes-turkish-embassy-2593846.html

Putin Closes Turkish Embassy.


An official Russian News stated after the warplane crash in Syrian border with Turkey, Vladimir Putin has convened Turkish ambassador Mr. Umit Yardim announcing that Turkish embassy should be closed as from now and they have 24h to leave Russia.

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A jet plane is waiting to bring back all Turkish embassy employees to Ankara.

From the other side Russian army are mobilizing and reactivated all reservist soldiers .
Heavy infantry and troops are joining Turkish Border for a new war escalation.
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Reply #50 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:54am
 
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Reply #51 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am
 
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?
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Reply #52 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:05am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am:
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?


what about the US ?

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Reply #53 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:08am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 7:58am:
Turkey is well within their rights to do this. This isn't the first incursion by Russian jets into Turkish airspace. Nor is it the first time Russian aircraft have breached the airspace of other countries. EU nations have been regularly scrambling fighters to intercept Russian Bear aircraft and Sweden had to chase a Russian submarine away that was well within Swedish waters. The Russians have gotten off very lightly until now. Perhaps they'll now start treating other countries sovereignty with much more respect?


This does not mean it was a good idea. I don't think Russia will use military force directly against them, but they may intensify bombing of the Turkmen in Syria, or place other restrictions on economic interests in Russia even if it hurts themselves as well.
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Reply #54 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:18am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:32am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:23am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:16am:
cods wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:06am:
do we know if Russia is upset.


Putin is said to be furious. He will now have his bombers flying with fighter escorts and will order his pilots not to go into Turkish airspace.




well that should fix everything...and Obama has already chosen which side he is on.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

funny how Russia wasnt to emotional about the m17



Watch & see -

The Russians will start shooting down Turkish fighter planes.

Stupid Turkish fools.


Yes, what fools for defending their sovereignty. Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 8:34am
 
can someone switch the 'LIGHT" off.. all that c&p is making me dizzy..

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Reply #56 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:55am
 
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/24/439010/US-Turkey-Russian-jet

Obama supports Turkey after it shot down Russian jet


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Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:23PM

US President Barack Obama speaks during a joint press conference with French President Francois Hollande at the White House in Washington, DC, on November 24, 2015. (AFP photo)
President Barack Obama has expressed US support for Turkey after it shot down a Russian warplane near Syria-Turkey border, saying Ankara has the right to defend its airspace.

"Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace," Obama said on Tuesday at the White House during joint press conference with visiting French President Francois Hollande.

“It is important right now to make sure the Russians and Turks are talking to each other to figure out what happened” and “discourage any kind of escalation," the US president said.

On Tuesday, NATO member Turkey shot down a Russian warplane, claiming the warplane had repeatedly violated its air space.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the jet had been attacked when it was 1 kilometer inside Syria.

He warned of "serious consequences" and called it a “stab in the back” administered by "the accomplices of terrorists."

"We will never tolerate such crimes like the one committed today," Putin said.

Russia has been conducting airstrikes on Daesh positions at the request of the Syrian government since September 30.

Syria has been gripped by deadly violence since March 2011. The United States and its regional allies - especially Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - have been supporting the militants operating inside Syria since the beginning of the crisis.

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Reply #57 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:54am
 
Turkey urges UN to act to protect Turkmens in Syria

Turkey has called for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, according to Prime Ministry sources, with Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu saying his government will “not hesitate” to take the required measures on Syrian soil to protect the Turkmen people.

Days after Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest against the bombing of the Turkmen villages, Davutoğlu stated that the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) was not active in the region targeted by Russian air strikes.

Turkey is in discussions with the United States and Russia over the bombing of the villages and has sent a letter to Britain, the current holder of the U.N. Security Council’s presidency, asking for the subject to be taken up, sources from Davutoğlu’s office told Reuters on Nov. 23. Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioğlu has also discussed the matter on the phone with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, the same sources said.

Speaking to reporters late on Nov. 22, Davutoğlu recalled that he was engaged in constant contact with both Chief of General Staff Gen. Hulusi Akar and National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Chief Hakan Fidan over the weekend concerning alleged Russian air raids on Turkmen villages near the Syrian-Turkish border. Sources, meanwhile, told Reuters that Davutoğlu had consulted on the intelligence dimension of the issue with Akar and Fidan.

“Our security forces have been instructed to retaliate against any development that would threaten Turkey’s border security,” the prime minister said.

“If there is an attack that would lead to an intense influx of refugees to Turkey, required measures would be taken both inside Syria and Turkey,” he added.

“Looking at background of these attacks, in a region where very clearly there is no element of Deash [ISIL], where there is no terrorist element, first Russian airplanes come and then with support from foreign fighters. I want to underline that foreign fighters are not only Deash elements in Syria: Every non-Syrian inside Syria is a foreign fighter, whether they be Hezbollah coming from Lebanon or elements coming from other places. All these foreign fighters target civilian people where the regime no longer has the power to resist,” Davutoğlu said.

“We will also take the required measures diplomatically for the protection of our brothers and sisters in the place where they are located and for the protection of their human rights in the face of any threat,” he also stated.

However, prominent Syrian Turkmen figure Ali Türkmani challenged Ankara’s claims that Syria’s Turkmen community was being targeted in attacks.

“There is a perception operation that is being waged over the Turkmens,” Türkmani told daily BirGün on Nov. 22. “The regime will of course attempt to maintain its territorial integrity. As such, threats from al-Nusra and the Free Syrian Army are being targeted [by Russian air strikes]. It’s not correct to say the Turkmens are being targeted,” he added.

The Turkmens are a Turkic-language-speaking ethnic minority who live alongside Arab and Kurdish populations and have traditionally had uneasy relations with the Syrian regimes of Bashar al-Assad and his late father, Hafez al-Assad.

The Turkmens have for decades tried to maintain their language and culture in Syria, resisting Arab assimilation policies of the Damascus government, which in turn has frequently regarded them as a fifth column working in favor of Ankara. They maintain close ties to Turkey, which sees the minority as allies in its push to oust al-Assad from power.

Turkey summoned Moscow’s ambassador on Nov. 20 and called for an immediate end to the Russian military operation near its border in northern Syria, which it said included “heavy bombardment” of Turkmen civilian villages.

Russian air strikes in support of al-Assad’s forces have shifted the balance of power in the conflict and dealt a setback to Turkey’s aim of seeing al-Assad removed from power.

The provincial governor of Turkey’s Hatay province, which borders the area where the bombing is taking place, said around 1,700 Turkmens had fled towards Turkey over the last three days, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.
Governor Ercan Topaca told a news conference that up to 30,000 inhabitants of the mountainous area could potentially be forced from their homes as a result of the fighting.

Turkey’s disaster and emergency authority AFAD said Turkmen families fleeing the fighting were being sent to the Yamadi camp across the border from the Turkish town of Yayladağı and that tents, blankets and clothing were delivered to them. Turkey is already hosting around 2.2 million Syrian refugees.

November/23/2015

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Reply #58 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:58am
 
Samin Hafez, head of the Syrian Turkmen Union, admitted on Tuesday that Turkmens fighting against the Syrian regime are in bad shape, while asking to have modern weapons against Russian aircraft.

“We are not militarily in a good situation, but we have not lost the war, either,” Hafez told CNN Türk on Tuesday.

Arguing that Turkmen rebels can hold out against the Syrian ground forces only if they are provided with modern weapons against aircraft, Hafez said the Turkmens' weapons have worked in the past against Syria's helicopters, but now fall short of harming Russian ones.

http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-calls-on-un-security-council-to-conv...
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Is Turkey Buying Oil From ISIS? After Downed Plane, Putin Slams Islamic State's Black Market Fuel Sales
November 24 2015

The fact that Turkey shot down a Russian plane is not the only reason Russian President Vladimir Putin is furious. Since the jet fighter was downed Tuesday near the Syria-Turkey border, Putin has reiterated concerns -- already raised by other countries -- that Turkey has been buying oil smuggled from the Islamic State group.

The terrorist organization, also known as ISIS, has wrested control of oil fields in Iraq and eastern Syria, and has managed to keep production up despite both Russian- and American-led airstrikes against those targets.

"[ISIS] has big money, hundreds of millions -- or even billions -- of dollars, from selling oil," Putin said Tuesday, Russian news agency RT reported. "In addition, they are protected by the military of an entire nation. One can understand why they are acting so boldly and blatantly."

Turkey is frequently cited as one of the primary destinations for ISIS' oil. As a result, tensions between Russia and Turkey over the matter might seem inevitable. Russia's own economy has been hurt by a drastic drop in global oil prices -- by more than half in the past year, to less than $50 a barrel -- and by Western sanctions for Russia's involvement in the conflict in Eastern Ukraine. Oil is vital to Russia's economy; more than half of its budget and a quarter of its GDP come from producing and exporting oil and natural gas.

This month the Guardian reported that ISIS controlled about six locations that produced oil. The group reportedly sold the oil to Kurdish traders in Iraqi Kurdistan, who in turn sold it to traders in Turkey and Iran.

In June 2014, Ali Edibogluan, a member of parliament with Turkey's main opposition Republican People’s Party, said that ISIS had smuggled $800 million worth of oil into Turkey from Syria and Iraq, Al Monitor reported. He pointed to the Rumaila oil fields in northern Syria as well as those near Mosul, Iraq, saying that the group had laid pipes that allowed it to "transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash." Edibogluan added, "Turkey’s cooperation with thousands of men of such a mentality is extremely dangerous."

Russia has recently sought to destroy the infrastructure that allows ISIS to transport and sell oil. The Russian air force said last week it had destroyed about 500 fuel tankers, "which greatly reduced illegal oil export capabilities of the militants and, accordingly, their income from oil smuggling,” said Col. Gen. Andrey Kartapolov, spokesman for Russia's General Staff, RT reported.

Oil generates about $40 million a month in revenue for ISIS, the U.S. Treasury Department has estimated, the New York Times reported in mid-November. Its ability to rake in funds by selling oil on illicit markets comes from taking advantage of a "long-standing and deeply rooted black market," said David Cohen, U.S. undersecretary for terrorism and financial intelligence, as quoted in the Financial Times in October 2014.

The tensions between Turkey and Russia come amid troubled negotiations over TurkStream, a pipeline that would have transported Russian natural gas into southern Europe by way of Turkey. Talks for that began to fall apart in October, when Gazprom, Russia's state-owned energy company, said it would cut the amount of gas going through the pipeline by half, delaying the pipeline's opening until the end of 2017. It decided to make the cut in order to divert part of the gas supply to a separate pipeline that would not go through Turkey and that it planned to expand.

"Turkish motivations to secure TurkStream are fairly urgent, as domestic energy demand is surging and internal energy sources are extraordinarily limited," according to a recent analysis of the situation by the publication Global Risk Insights. "Turkey also recognizes Russia’s desperation and is now likely to seek lucrative price cuts on Russian gas imports in exchange for greenlighting the pipeline," it added.

Of the crude oil Turkey consumed in 2014, about 27 percent came from Iraq, 26 percent from Iran and 13 percent from within Turkey, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. About 3 percent was imported from Russia.

http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-buying-oil-isis-after-downed-plane-putin-slams-isl...
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