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Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm
 
Speak to any Young Liberal and it won’t be long before you hear the phrase “nanny state”.  In fact, we have a Senate inquiry into the evils of the nanny state going on right now instigated by that champion of small government, David Leyonjhelm.

Sounds good.  We don’t want no stinkin’ bureaucrats telling us what to do!

We shouldn’t have to build pool fences or wear bike helmets.  We shouldn’t have to vaccinate our kids and we should be able to smoke when and wherever we want.  Food labelling is unnecessary and there should be no laws restricting media ownership or content.  We should all carry guns so we can keep the nation safe.  Free trade and tax cuts are good.  Minimum wages, penalty rates, wage rises and welfare are bad.

The neo-classical view is of individual consumers and firms and does not recognise the legitimacy of collective action.

It presumes equal opportunity for all where success is dependent only on willingness to work hard and take risks.

It values, rewards, and protects the owners of the capital, the entrepreneurs willing to take a financial risk with borrowed money, but does not consider the labour and social framework on which their success depends.

Those who educate our children, who care for us when we are sick or old, who keep us safe, who volunteer to help the vulnerable, will only be judged by their productive contribution to the economy rather than to society.

The conservative government’s aim is to privatise everything and let the market rule.  User pays.  Work, save, invest.  Don’t rely on the government to provide services, infrastructure, or a safety net.

This is apparent in the public service where the current buzz word is ‘contestability’.  If a private firm can do it cheaper then outsource.  This strategy has led to job losses, a decline in services and accusations of systemic rorting.

The move to rely on political advisers and strategists and to use external consultants has meant government ministers are no longer listening to their departments and the wealth of knowledge and experience of senior public servants who have served for decades has been ignored in policy making dictated by lobbyists and marketing teams.

Small government sees no value in any form of collectivism.

The common wealth, our assets, are being sold off for private investors to reap the profits.  Foreign companies are making superprofits developing our resources and are now taking over our farmland, utilities and transport infrastructure.  Investors have made the housing market unaffordable.

Wages and workplace conditions are under attack on many fronts – the minimum wage, penalty rates, stagnant growth, freezing the superannuation guarantee, the rise of contract employees, 457 visa workers, free trade agreements, supply chains that involve slave labour overseas and the demonisation of unions.

Public health and education are being actively undermined with an obvious preference towards private schools, hospitals and health insurance.

Welfare is no longer seen as a crucial part of a healthy society but as a drain on resources that should be directed towards tax cuts and concessions.

Wars being fought in the name of freedom seem as much about protecting capitalism as democracy.

There are few groups powerful enough to provide a collective voice against the ravages of corporate greed.  Churches are being ignored, unions undermined, and governments bought.  Even our right to challenge in a court of law or through legislation is being undermined.  The media is largely complicit backed by economists who have scant regard for societal and environmental considerations.

The only protection left is the ballot box but are Australians willing to unite against the real enemy??


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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:08pm
 
e shouldn’t have to build pool fences or wear bike helmets.  We shouldn’t have to vaccinate our kids and we should be able to smoke when and wherever we want.  Food labelling is unnecessary and there should be no laws restricting media ownership or content.  We should all carry guns so we can keep the nation safe.  Free trade and tax cuts are good.  Minimum wages, penalty rates, wage rises and welfare are bad.


This sounds like it would be a terrible state to live in.
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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:14pm
 
Just add more sugar and it will sell  Roll Eyes

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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm
 
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.
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Reply #4 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm
 
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.

It would be great if regulation wasn't required, but the market can't regulate itself in an acceptable manner, and people really are poo at making some decisions that can impact society in a negative way.

It's important that people have a sense of freedom, too - but that doesn't mean US style "rugged individualism" either
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Reply #5 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.
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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:18pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.

Business's fail:  haven't you heard yet?

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Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:27pm
 
Labor voter wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:05pm:
Speak to any Young Liberal and it won’t be long before you hear the phrase “nanny state”.  In fact, we have a Senate inquiry into the evils of the nanny state going on right now instigated by that champion of small government, David Leyonjhelm.

Sounds good.  We don’t want no stinkin’ bureaucrats telling us what to do!

We shouldn’t have to build pool fences or wear bike helmets.  We shouldn’t have to vaccinate our kids and we should be able to smoke when and wherever we want.  Food labelling is unnecessary and there should be no laws restricting media ownership or content.  We should all carry guns so we can keep the nation safe.  Free trade and tax cuts are good.  Minimum wages, penalty rates, wage rises and welfare are bad.
The conservative government’s aim is to privatise everything and let the market rule. /


Just shows how stupid your source is with selective quoting, leftist media is so biased.

We should not be forced to build pool fences, what about those who don't have kids or the kids have grown up why should they be forced to build a fence, are the nanny state leftists saying fences are needed so tresspassers can be safe?

You can rent a pushbike in Paris for $1 Euro a day, no helmets are required, why should adults be forced to wear helmets when riding push bikes are they incapable of making a choice or do the nanny state lovers like the revenue raising from fines for not wearing a helmet?

Leyonhjelm has a degree in Veterinary science so he is a fan of vaccination, he supported the bill to remove welfare payments from welfare bludgers who don't vaccinate.

Can any dopey leftists cite where Leyonhjelm said we all shoud carry guns or do people pluck that bullshit from their asses?
LDP policy says people have to qualify for permits to concealed carry, Leyonhjelm has won a few small bore pistol shooting comps he is a better shot than the majority of the police, he is a lawyer,a vet, masters in business administration and a politician, I have no problem if he wants to carry for self defence when travelling west of Belmore.

Tax cuts are good it stimulates activity, Milton Friedman won a Nobel prize for Economics, the LDP follow the Friedman model.

If you look at the LDP policy on smoking it's rather sensible compared to Shorten who wants poor labor voters to pay $40 a pack.
If a restaurant wants to allow smoking and you dislike smoke, well don't go to that restaurant.

The Henry report on Taxation says the company tax rate is too high it should be reduced to 25%, this reports says the tax cuts will pay for themselves and more, article in the Australian financial review on this.

We should privatise everything the government never does anything cheaper than private business.
How did that private airport at Toowoomba (Wellcamp) get built so quick and cheap so we can export produce, was it because the government had nothing to do with it?
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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:40pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.


The man is an ideologue though. His goal is less government, not the correct amount of government. He is far too biased to make an accurate assessment.
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Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:44pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:40pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.


The man is an ideologue though. His goal is less government, not the correct amount of government. He is far too biased to make an accurate assessment.


What does Nobel prize winning economist Milton Friedman say about big governments ?

Are they big taxing big spending big wasting?
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Reply #10 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:55pm
 
BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:18pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.

Business's fail:  haven't you heard yet?

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So do gummints
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:08pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.

It would be great if regulation wasn't required, but the market can't regulate itself in an acceptable manner, and people really are poo at making some decisions that can impact society in a negative way.

It's important that people have a sense of freedom, too - but that doesn't mean US style "rugged individualism" either


Could probably live with that but why do we have both a federal and a state health and education department complete with ministers.

What hospitals do the feds run. What schools do they teach. They should just get the f... out of it. They're not needed.
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:20pm
 
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:08pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.

It would be great if regulation wasn't required, but the market can't regulate itself in an acceptable manner, and people really are poo at making some decisions that can impact society in a negative way.

It's important that people have a sense of freedom, too - but that doesn't mean US style "rugged individualism" either


Could probably live with that but why do we have both a federal and a state health and education department complete with ministers.

What hospitals do the feds run. What schools do they teach. They should just get the f... out of it. They're not needed.


There is a lot of things the feds should get out of.

The LDP are the only party that says the feds should not be involved with health or education they are state matters.


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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:25pm
 
We are only over governed in that we have a lot of duplication ... get rid of the states once and for all.
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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:29pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:40pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:26pm:
crocodile wrote on Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:22pm:
You need not fear Labor Voter. Neither of the two majors are champions of small government.


Well it would put them out of a job.

Government shouldn't be big or small, but the correct size for the task at hand.


We have 21 levels of government for 23 million people, we are over governed, about time someone Like Leyonhjelm who has a masters in business administration starts talking about reducing government waste.


The man is an ideologue though. His goal is less government, not the correct amount of government. He is far too biased to make an accurate assessment.


What does Nobel prize winning economist Milton Friedman say about big governments ?

Are they big taxing big spending big wasting?


His viewpoint as necessarily economically centric, and there many goals a government may have beyond simple economics. That said, not all economists agree with his approach Angus Deaton the latest winner certainly thinks government and regulation has it's place.
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