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Reply #75 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:13pm

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

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http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

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In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Cheesy

It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim masses.

They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists.

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Reply #76 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

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In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Cheesy

It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim masses.

They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists.

An aspect (another one) where there is no observable difference between the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority'.

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Reply #77 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

from YOUR LINK

In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Cheesy

It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim masses.

They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the terrorists.

An aspect (another one) where there is no observable difference between the 'vast majority' and the 'tiny minority'.

So far from being true, thats it's laughable.

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Re: Call all Muslims terrorists you are a traitor
Reply #78 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:58pm

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

This is apparently the Encyclopedia Britannica proving that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate":

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n the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Its like you're not even trying to make your bs sound convincing anymore S

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Call all Muslims terrorists you are a traitor
Reply #80 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:53pm

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

There is Islamic State because all the bromide about the 'vast majority of Muslims' is utter BS.

no, there is an Islamic state because some nutjob has figured out how to use your stupidity and hatred against you.

So now the Islamic State is about me??

Not just you .... you and your whole brethren of haters

They are beheading aid workers because and massacre concert goers we hate them for beheading aid workers and massacring concert goers.

It makes sense to you and the Grand Miff-ti, I can see that.

makes sense?

They hate you so they feel justified in killing you ... now where else have I heard that before? Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #81 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 3:54pm

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:13pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

from YOUR LINK

In the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Cheesy

It has always been the violent Muslims who have been setting the agenda, starting with Mohammed. The rest will go along with whatever. They are not exactly open minded, curious critical thinkers, you know, the Muslim masses.

blah blah blah ... now you said something about most muslims supporting a caliphate?

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Call all Muslims terrorists you are a traitor
Reply #82 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:40pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

The vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate

Link?

http://www.britannica.com/place/Caliphate

This is apparently the Encyclopedia Britannica proving that "the vast majority of Muslims support the idea of a caliphate":

Quote:

n the 20th century the reestablishment of the caliphate, although occasionally invoked by Islamists as a symbol of global Islamic unity, was of no practical interest for mainstream Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. It did, however, figure prominently in the rhetoric of violent extremist groups such as al-Qaeda. In June 2014 an insurgent group known as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL; also known as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria [ISIS] and the Islamic State [IS]), which had taken control of areas of eastern Syria and western Iraq, declared the establishment of a caliphate with the group’s leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as caliph. Outside of extremist circles, the group’s claim was widely rejected.

Its like you're not even trying to make your bs sound convincing anymore S

Yes, but the old boy's a victim of early-onset Altzheimers, so he can't be stupid or mendacious.

No one has the right to not be offended - except the old boy.

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Reply #83 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism.

It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam) = caliphate.

Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam.

That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion.

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Reply #84 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism.

It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam) = caliphate.

Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam.

That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion.

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Reply #85 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine

rubbish.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

it started with Mohammed

and rubbish

Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate- to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it.

This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness.

And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims.

Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #86 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:01pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine, it started with Mohammed and continued with his successors, causing, among other calamities, the sunni/shia schism.

It is central to Islam and the whole notion of the ummah. The whole Koran and the final revelation is about the victory of Islam on the planet, the submission of all to Submission (Islam) = caliphate.

Everyone know that. It;s like all other totalitarian ideologies - it's about a final and complete victory over all who oppose Islam.

That's what Islam and the Koran and the hadiths are all about, nothing else. That is the political aim of Islam - an aim far more important than any of it spiritual pretences to be a religion.

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-05/enhanced/webdr04/27/16/anigif_enhanced-...

No beards here, Greggery. They do offend the old boy so.

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Reply #87 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 8:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine

rubbish.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

it started with Mohammed

and rubbish

Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate- to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it.

This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness.

And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims.

Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

We can’t offend the old boy, G. That’s haram.

You have to agree with him.

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Re: Call all Muslims terrorists you are a traitor
Reply #88 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:06am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine

rubbish.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

it started with Mohammed

and rubbish

Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate- to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it.

This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness.

And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims.

Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle "in the path of Allah," or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.
Islamic Imperialism: A History By Efraim Karsh. See chapter 4, The house of Islam and the House of War.

See also Q. 9:1-6, 28, 30-33

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Reply #89 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:35am

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

The caliphate is an Islamic doctrine

rubbish.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2015 at 6:49pm:

it started with Mohammed

and rubbish

Remembering this is a rather pathetic attempt to obfuscate your demonstrably stupid claim that most muslims support the caliphate- to which you linked an article that specifically stated that most muslims don't support it.

This all coming from the self-declared crusader against stupidity and mendaciousness.

And here you are attempting to cover up one stupid and mendacious claim with even more stupid and mendacious claims.

Will you be subjecting yourself to a hail of insults now S? After all, you meet your own criteria for someone who deserves a hail of abuse.

As a universal religion, Islam envisages a global political order in which all humankind will live under Muslim rule as either believers or subject communities. In order to achieve this goal it is incumbent on all free, male, adult Muslims to carry out an uncompromising struggle "in the path of Allah," or jihad. This in turn makes those parts of the world that have not yet been conquered by the House of Islam an abode of permanent conflict (Dar al-Harb, the house of War) which will only end with Islam's eventual triumph.

I agree, old chap. It hasn't happened for 1300 years, but we live in hope.

It may not happen overnight, but it will happen, no?

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