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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #15 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:38pm

mothra wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's after school we would go home eat and then most kids would go to the park to play cricket, footy or soccer.

On weekends we would spend most of the day light hours at the park, summer time with t-shirt and shorts.

And although we may have gone a bit red at the end of the day, it was nothing like now where 1/2 to 1 hour will turn you into a beetroot.

Back then sun screen was un heard of, youngsters at the beach put coconut oil on to tan.

Same in the 80's. I was out riding my bike or horse-riding all day. I never burned. I burn now though.

I put my kids in long sleeves and hats. I never wore them growing up.

My personal opinion is when the British did al those nuclear tests in the middle of Australia in the 1950's they blew a hole in the ozone.

And now we are seeing the effects.

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #16 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

So, since there is a bit of chatter going on about PANOC (Physical Abuse and Neglect of Children) it seems that it might be worth making a few points clear.

There is more than a little misinformation getting thrown about (not to mention some very disreputable reframing of information)...

So, if you ever suffered sunburn as a child growing up, welcome to experiencing neglect first hand. By definition, failure to provide protection against harm constitutes neglect...

I have made the point more than once (to deaf ears, or perhaps in this context blind eyes) that issues pertaining to neglect and abuse become far more serious if they're chronic. As such, whilst a case of sunburn absolutely constitutes neglect, it would only be chronic if it were sever and happened often... Same goes pretty much for most (not all because some forms of abuse particularly are immediately threatening to long term well being) forms of abuse and neglect.

To bring this into some perspective relevant to this board, I have made the comment that I agree that religious education is a form of child abuse.. I have also qualified this that it is not chronic per se. That is an opinion only, based on knowledge of how these terms apply.

The pitfall for many is that, over time and largely thanks once again to our sensationalising (if that isn't a word I am claiming inventors rights...) mass media these two words, abuse and neglect, have been demonised where it is the ultimate sin just to mention them, as is evident just in this place alone. The problem is, that misconception goes much further than just this board.

I doubt many will take the impact of this on board, but it seemed appropriate to try at least.

Addressing issues of chronic abuse and neglect, for the present at least, is addressed with a big stick approach by and large. That is, or at least, appears to be a failing of the way we do community at the moment. The fact that people need to be employed to be mandatory reporters and professional child protection workers is a damning indictment on how we do community. The harsh reality is, obviously, that the professional child protection industry is also going to get it wrong at times.

Protecting our children needs to be a whole of community approach. We may also need to rethink this "ownership" of our children idea, people get very upset when their parenting practices are questioned, challenged or outright rejected...The old I will raise my children my way comes out. It is erroneous thinking, they're not your children, you are their carer/parent...

1. You're a nutter.

2. You have no idea about having kids...do you?

3. My kids ARE INDEED MY KIDS. They belong to me (and my husband of course)....they're certainly not yours or anyone else's.

4. Your definitions of abuse and neglect are just that. Your definitions are in essence your opinions. And opinions are like ar$eholes, everyone has one.

Yes, I bristled at that "they're not your children" passage too. We don't need to "rethink" that at all.

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #17 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

So, since there is a bit of chatter going on about PANOC (Physical Abuse and Neglect of Children) it seems that it might be worth making a few points clear.

There is more than a little misinformation getting thrown about (not to mention some very disreputable reframing of information)...

So, if you ever suffered sunburn as a child growing up, welcome to experiencing neglect first hand. By definition, failure to provide protection against harm constitutes neglect...

I have made the point more than once (to deaf ears, or perhaps in this context blind eyes) that issues pertaining to neglect and abuse become far more serious if they're chronic. As such, whilst a case of sunburn absolutely constitutes neglect, it would only be chronic if it were sever and happened often... Same goes pretty much for most (not all because some forms of abuse particularly are immediately threatening to long term well being) forms of abuse and neglect.

To bring this into some perspective relevant to this board, I have made the comment that I agree that religious education is a form of child abuse.. I have also qualified this that it is not chronic per se. That is an opinion only, based on knowledge of how these terms apply.

The pitfall for many is that, over time and largely thanks once again to our sensationalising (if that isn't a word I am claiming inventors rights...) mass media these two words, abuse and neglect, have been demonised where it is the ultimate sin just to mention them, as is evident just in this place alone. The problem is, that misconception goes much further than just this board.

I doubt many will take the impact of this on board, but it seemed appropriate to try at least.

Addressing issues of chronic abuse and neglect, for the present at least, is addressed with a big stick approach by and large. That is, or at least, appears to be a failing of the way we do community at the moment. The fact that people need to be employed to be mandatory reporters and professional child protection workers is a damning indictment on how we do community. The harsh reality is, obviously, that the professional child protection industry is also going to get it wrong at times.

Protecting our children needs to be a whole of community approach. We may also need to rethink this "ownership" of our children idea, people get very upset when their parenting practices are questioned, challenged or outright rejected...The old I will raise my children my way comes out. It is erroneous thinking, they're not your children, you are their carer/parent...

1. You're a nutter.

2. You have no idea about having kids...do you?

3. My kids ARE INDEED MY KIDS. They belong to me (and my husband of course)....they're certainly not yours or anyone else's.

4. Your definitions of abuse and neglect are just that. Your definitions are in essence your opinions. And opinions are like ar$eholes, everyone has one.

Yes, I bristled at that "they're not your children" passage too. We don't need to "rethink" that at all.

I still can't believe the cr@p she's posted..

Oh and nowwwww all of a sudden....after only ever having dogs....she's read my post...and has hurried back in here suddenly remembering that she has a human child.

A human child ...not a dog this time...a child she freely admits that she's physically assaulted.

Now put all her posts together and tell me, what further proof of her insanity do you need?

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:16pm

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Yes, I bristled at that "they're not your children" passage too.

You are as entitled to bristle as I am to make the claim, of course, the complete claim was , they're not your children, you are their carer....

Now if that still makes you bristle, then one has to wonder about how much responsibility you take for caring and protecting these children you apparently own.

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"They're not rules as such, more like guidelines" Pirates of the Caribbean..

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Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:47pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Yes, I bristled at that "they're not your children" passage too.

You are as entitled to bristle as I am to make the claim, of course, the complete claim was , they're not your children, you are their carer....

Now if that still makes you bristle, then one has to wonder about how much responsibility you take for caring and protecting these children you apparently own.

Look who's talking? A revolting self confessed child abuser!

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Jesus Lisa your on line persona is that of a slug, a slow lazy uncoordinated grub...

If this is anything like your real life persona I am not surprised your mother abused you...

What a revolting sad and sorry excuse for a human being you must be.

Oh and let's not forget that you're a self confessed child abuser too. Pffft!

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:51pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:47pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:16pm:

... wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm:

Yes, I bristled at that "they're not your children" passage too.

You are as entitled to bristle as I am to make the claim, of course, the complete claim was , they're not your children, you are their carer....

Now if that still makes you bristle, then one has to wonder about how much responsibility you take for caring and protecting these children you apparently own.

Look who's talking? A revolting self confessed child abuser!

Self confessed child abuser?

... this should be good.

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Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 2:02pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

So, since there is a bit of chatter going on about PANOC (Physical Abuse and Neglect of Children) it seems that it might be worth making a few points clear.

There is more than a little misinformation getting thrown about (not to mention some very disreputable reframing of information)...

So, if you ever suffered sunburn as a child growing up, welcome to experiencing neglect first hand. By definition, failure to provide protection against harm constitutes neglect...

Absolute BULLSHIT...getting sunburned as a child simply increases your immunity to further sunburns... like playing in the dirt increases your immunity to germs (despite the numerous stupid commercials for Dettol Handwash products)

Getting sunburnt as a child increases your risk of skin cancers in later life.

Rubbish..I, and all my friends/family got sunburned on a regular basis as children/teens...and, 40 years later, I don't have any form of skin cancer, nor do any of my family or friends..

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Re: Sunburn is neglect...
Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 1:20pm:

So, if you ever suffered sunburn as a child growing up, welcome to experiencing neglect first hand. By definition, failure to provide protection against harm constitutes neglect.

So it was neglect before even knowing that sunburn may cause cancer?

So that if staring at a computer screen is shown to cause serious harm, sometime in the future, that then will also be neglect? Or of course anything a child is allowed to do now, that may be shown to cause harm in the future, of which we currently know nothing?

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