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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #75 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Back to Swiss Army knives.
I reckon they look nice on a key ring:

http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-...

When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener.

As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one.

I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

Well Baron - we live in a nanny state.
I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls.
It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife.

The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place -
so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting?

There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

They should change the law to-

people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife.

I think by 30 people are sensible?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #76 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:37pm
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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #77 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:44pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Bloody lunacy

No guns no knives or pocket knives

For who? Only the law abiding citizens

Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them

Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda

It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts.

The only increase in risk is for law abiding citizens ... Crims are risk takers they don't give a toss about laws.

That's why they're crims Roll Eyes

Risk is what drives criminal deterrence. They don't care about laws, but they do care about being caught breaking them.

The risk to law-abiding citizens is negligible.

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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #78 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Back to Swiss Army knives.
I reckon they look nice on a key ring:

http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-...

When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener.

As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one.

I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

Well Baron - we live in a nanny state.
I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls.
It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife.

The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place -
so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting?

There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

They should change the law to-

people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife.

I think by 30 people are sensible?

If you were to pick up any knife in your own home for self defence you wouldn't be considering the Swiss army knife as a choice.

It exposes what a nanny state we have become by banning this harmless tool.

Not allowing them in carry on luggage when flying, making people pack them in suitcases is all they need to restrict with this particular knife.

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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #79 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Back to Swiss Army knives.
I reckon they look nice on a key ring:

http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-...

When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener.

As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one.

I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

Well Baron - we live in a nanny state.
I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls.
It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife.

The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place -
so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting?

There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

They should change the law to-

people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife.

I think by 30 people are sensible?

If you were to pick up any knife in your own home for self defence you wouldn't be considering the Swiss army knife as a choice.

It exposes what a nanny state we have become by banning this harmless tool.

Not allowing them in carry on luggage when flying, making people pack them in suitcases is all they need to restrict with this particular knife.

I wouldn't travel without one.

I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too.....like I was going to hijack the plane or something.

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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #80 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:04pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:18pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:02pm:

Bloody lunacy

No guns no knives or pocket knives

For who? Only the law abiding citizens

Those who use weapons for criminal acts will still get them

Removal of all liberties & control by govt seems to be a heavy agenda

It's not supposed to stop criminals getting knives. It is supposed to increase the risk to them carrying them around to use for criminal acts.

The only increase in risk is for law abiding citizens ... Crims are risk takers they don't give a toss about laws.

That's why they're crims Roll Eyes

Risk is what drives criminal deterrence. They don't care about laws, but they do care about being caught breaking them.

The risk to law-abiding citizens is negligible.

We'll see.... Bet some innocents get caught out inadvertently.

Too many nanny state laws catering to the minority ( yes crims are a minority still/ so far).

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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #81 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:45pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

We'll see.... Bet some innocents get caught out inadvertently.

Too many nanny state laws catering to the minority ( yes crims are a minority still/ so far).

It's certainty possible that a cop will use the law incorrectly, or for dodgy reasons, but if they are looking to make an arrest, they will almost certainly find a way.

I am willing bet there is a very low chance of any successful prosecution unless someone is basically carrying it for no reason at all.

Arguing that we shouldn't have laws to prevent crime is a bit odd. It would be like not searching customs because most people don't import things they shouldn't.

There are legitimate reasons to be concerned about this type of legislation, but on balance I think it helps more than it hurts. It's not going to restrict people's activities for the most part, and it could help to create a deterrence.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 31417 Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #82 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:05pm Do you know how handy a pocket knife can be for many situations? None of which are of criminal intent.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #83 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14pm Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:16am: http://www.vicfan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/victorinox-zodiac-classic-aries... That's the one I keep in my bike-toolbox.
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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #84 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 3:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:

They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.

Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "

A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation.

Quote:

Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes:

the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity;
participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or
the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons.

It does not include self-defence.

So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket -

how do you get it home without fear of jail?

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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #85 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:29pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:14am:

Back to Swiss Army knives.
I reckon they look nice on a key ring:

http://www.smartknives.com/Wenger-Knives/Wenger-Knife-Images/Wenger-Teton-Chain-...

When you look at a Swiss army knife you know they are pacifists who have never fought in any wars, the soldiers must look at it and wonder if they are supposed to stab them with the nail file or maybe even the scissors or bottle opener.

As the subject is about Swiss army knives the dickheads will probably deflect to other knives to justify banning this one.

I think there should be an exemption in the law to allow the Swiss army knife to be carried in public, it's nanny state madness in banning it.

Well Baron - we live in a nanny state.
I really doubt that a Swiss army knife was ever used to deliberately cut anyone in one of those drunken hooligan street brawls.
It was more likely a kitchen knife or a flick knife.

The blade on a Swiss army knife doesn't lock in place -
so it would be almost useless in a fight & you'd probably end up cutting yourself with it.

It's more of a general purpose tool than a knife,how many parts of it are meant for cutting?

There is no reason to even compare it to kitchen or fishing/hunting knives.

They should change the law to-

people over 30 years of age should be allowed to carry a Swiss army knife.

I think by 30 people are sensible?

many blessings sir bobby ..

you crave to have a master

and as such , true mastery elludes you

this is ok and cool , and

as such forgiven

namaste

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #86 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:30pm The other SAK, which I usually don't carry unless I know I'll need it.
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Reply #87 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:32pm

master Light,
Quote:

many blessings sir bobby ..

you crave to have a master

and as such , true mastery elludes you

this is ok and cool , and

as such forgiven

namaste

Dear master Light,
I have asked unto thee for guidance & yet none has been forthcoming.

I have yet to find a King worthy of my sword and
remember - as a true knight - I am sworn to the quest.

you are forgiven

namaste

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #88 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:34pm Ex Dame Pansi, Quote: I wouldn't travel without one. I did have one confiscated at an Australian airport once, I forgot it was in my cabin bag, they made a fuss too..... like I was going to hijack the plane or something. How cool is that - a chick with a Swiss army knife!
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5818 Gender:	Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria. Reply #89 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:42pm I have a Swiss Army Knife but I usually only use it as a can opener. I used to carry a Leatherman in my bag. It came in handy for all sorts of things but it was confiscated at the airport a few years ago. I had forgotten it was there. I was a bit annoyed that I couldn't get it back.
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