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Reply #15 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:26pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:
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Bruce Everett
Bruce M. Everett teaches energy economics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.  After six years in the US Dept of Energy in the 1970's, he spent most of his career at ExxonMobil in various executive positions in the international oil, coal, natural gas and electricity businesses, retiring in 2002.


ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge


Under pressure from shareholders, company promised eight years ago to stop funding climate denial – but financial and tax records tell a different story

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-cli...


You would be a more impressive debater if you targeted the message instead of the messenger. But naturally, being a Green and climate hysteric, your only recourse is to personal attacks since the message itself is UNASSAILABLE.

You are wrong, he is right.


ExxonMobil, a company that vehemently asserts that it does not hate your children, has been caught in a big fat enormous lie, and politicians want the corporation to pay.

Over the weekend, Congress members asked the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to investigate ExxonMobil to see whether the company violated federal laws that mandate that it disclose risks — in this case, risks that pertain to climate change.

Four members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, led by California Democrat Ted Lieu, penned a letter to the SEC alleging that Exxon “may have omitted or misrepresented material information in its official filings”:

Sen. Bernie Sanders and presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley also demanded a federal investigation of the company this week. Essentially, politicians want to know whether Exxon helped fund climate change denialism after its own scientists confirmed that climate change is real.

http://gawker.com/exxon-mobil-may-be-investigated-for-willfully-funding-c-174016...



And you are STILL wrong and unable to debate the message!

It is an admission of failure on your behalf.


In early July, The Guardian reported that Exxon Mobil Corp., "the world's biggest oil company, knew as early as 1981 of climate change – seven years before it became a public issue, according to a newly discovered email from one of the firm's own scientists. Despite this the firm spent millions over the next 27 years to promote climate denial."

Two months later, the online publication InsideClimate News (along with a short film from PBS's Frontline) followed that up with a multi-part series, The Road Not Taken, which was described as an eight-month investigation into the history of:

"Exxon's engagement with the emerging science of climate change. The story spans four decades, and is based on primary sources including internal company files dating back to the late 1970s, interviews with former company employees, and other evidence, much of which is being published here for the first time.
It describes how Exxon conducted cutting-edge climate research decades ago and then, without revealing all that it had learned, worked at the forefront of climate denial, manufacturing doubt about the scientific consensus that its own scientists had confirmed."
In October, the Los Angeles Times, teaming with the Energy and Environmental Reporting Project at Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism, started publishing its own reporting on the topic, the result of a yearlong research project.

NPR did not report on any of these findings, which has made some listeners unhappy.

Andrew Ratzkin, a listener to the New York City member station WNYC, wrote that the only reporting he heard on the issue was in September,
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Re: Sacking the skeptic messenger
Reply #16 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:34pm
 
Yawn climate change has been happening since day dot.

Got anything else ?

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Reply #17 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 6:37pm
 
And Greens signifies his surrender to truth ONCE AGAIN by rushing off to start another thread after being comprehensively trounced - by himself - in this one.

Predictable, lame and exceedingly ignorant.
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Reply #18 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:09pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:47pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:
He isn't a sceptic, he is a conspiracy theorist.

A sceptic will change their mind once presented with evidence, but the so called climate sceptics rarely do. They just jump to some other argument. Over and over. This isn't what being a sceptic is about.




Even if he is a conspiracy theorist he shouldn't have lost his job, basically he has been silenced by fascists. Also a skeptic will change their mind when presented with evidence, that evidence so far has not been forthcoming, please remember also that propaganda is not evidence.


That's really a matter for his employer and the code of conduct they have.

The evidence on anthropogenic climate change is significant. The controversy surrounding it is almost entirely political, not scientific. There are people with alternative theories in all areas of science, and for the most part they turn out mistaken, but every now then they are not.
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Reply #19 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:11pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:51pm:
____ wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:51pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:



Written by

Bruce Everett
Bruce M. Everett teaches energy economics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.  After six years in the US Dept of Energy in the 1970's, he spent most of his career at ExxonMobil in various executive positions in the international oil, coal, natural gas and electricity businesses, retiring in 2002.


ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge


Under pressure from shareholders, company promised eight years ago to stop funding climate denial – but financial and tax records tell a different story

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-cli...


You would be a more impressive debater if you targeted the message instead of the messenger. But naturally, being a Green and climate hysteric, your only recourse is to personal attacks since the message itself is UNASSAILABLE.

You are wrong, he is right.


That would be your opinion, others would consider an article by someone without much credibility to be suspect.
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Re: Sacking the skeptic messenger
Reply #20 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:41am
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:09pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:47pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:20pm:
He isn't a sceptic, he is a conspiracy theorist.

A sceptic will change their mind once presented with evidence, but the so called climate sceptics rarely do. They just jump to some other argument. Over and over. This isn't what being a sceptic is about.




Even if he is a conspiracy theorist he shouldn't have lost his job, basically he has been silenced by fascists. Also a skeptic will change their mind when presented with evidence, that evidence so far has not been forthcoming, please remember also that propaganda is not evidence.


That's really a matter for his employer and the code of conduct they have.

The evidence on anthropogenic climate change is significant. The controversy surrounding it is almost entirely political, not scientific. There are people with alternative theories in all areas of science, and for the most part they turn out mistaken, but every now then they are not.


The controversy is very much scientific. The so-called 98% consensus turned out to be 3% consensus and the rest just don't know. There is a slew of evidence that discredits ACC and very little that supports it. If politics were actually taken out of it, ACC would be dumped overnight.
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Reply #21 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:45am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:11pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:51pm:
____ wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:51pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:



Written by

Bruce Everett
Bruce M. Everett teaches energy economics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.  After six years in the US Dept of Energy in the 1970's, he spent most of his career at ExxonMobil in various executive positions in the international oil, coal, natural gas and electricity businesses, retiring in 2002.


ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge


Under pressure from shareholders, company promised eight years ago to stop funding climate denial – but financial and tax records tell a different story

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-cli...


You would be a more impressive debater if you targeted the message instead of the messenger. But naturally, being a Green and climate hysteric, your only recourse is to personal attacks since the message itself is UNASSAILABLE.

You are wrong, he is right.


That would be your opinion, others would consider an article by someone without much credibility to be suspect.


The problem with your definition of 'credibility' is that it extends no further than 'agreeing with you'. That makes your opinion completely worthless. The man is a very, very qualified and experienced expert who if he supported ACC you would support him as well.

You have an intellectual integrity deficit.
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Reply #22 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:49am
 
I don't see any need for controversy here, surely we all agree that people should not be sacked because of their beliefs irrespective of if you agree or not.

I don't agree with what this guy is saying but I don't think it is any of his employers business as long as he does his job well.
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Reply #23 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:10am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:49am:
I don't see any need for controversy here, surely we all agree that people should not be sacked because of their beliefs irrespective of if you agree or not.

I don't agree with what this guy is saying but I don't think it is any of his employers business as long as he does his job well.


I think most agree with that - but not all. I would say that Greens would support the sacking of 'deniers'. And reading some of the comments and even books by loud-mouthed climate hysterics, some of them even suggest jailing of deniers and others even the removal of democracy to achieve 'climate action'.  These people are to be feared and repudiated by EVERYONE including ACC supporters.
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Reply #24 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:23am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:10am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:49am:
I don't see any need for controversy here, surely we all agree that people should not be sacked because of their beliefs irrespective of if you agree or not.

I don't agree with what this guy is saying but I don't think it is any of his employers business as long as he does his job well.


I think most agree with that - but not all. I would say that Greens would support the sacking of 'deniers'. And reading some of the comments and even books by loud-mouthed climate hysterics, some of them even suggest jailing of deniers and others even the removal of democracy to achieve 'climate action'.  These people are to be feared and repudiated by EVERYONE including ACC supporters.


Much like we see with some of the security laws off shore detention etc. Remember these people believe in the worst aspects of global warming with the prospect of a world that can provide food for several billion people less than what we have.

They could argue that these people are fighting in support of a mass genocide.

We currently have a number of laws and legislation aimed at removing peoples rights and freedoms based on a lot less substance. 
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Reply #25 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:33pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:11pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:51pm:
____ wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:51pm:
Soren wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:40pm:



Written by

Bruce Everett
Bruce M. Everett teaches energy economics at the Fletcher School at Tufts University.  After six years in the US Dept of Energy in the 1970's, he spent most of his career at ExxonMobil in various executive positions in the international oil, coal, natural gas and electricity businesses, retiring in 2002.


ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge


Under pressure from shareholders, company promised eight years ago to stop funding climate denial – but financial and tax records tell a different story

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-cli...


You would be a more impressive debater if you targeted the message instead of the messenger. But naturally, being a Green and climate hysteric, your only recourse is to personal attacks since the message itself is UNASSAILABLE.

You are wrong, he is right.


That would be your opinion, others would consider an article by someone without much credibility to be suspect.



Thank you for confirming that it is never about WHAT is said in the AGW circus, but always and only about WHO speaks.


The politics is settled. The science is not.

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Reply #26 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 8:28pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 6:49am:
I don't see any need for controversy here, surely we all agree that people should not be sacked because of their beliefs irrespective of if you agree or not.

I don't agree with what this guy is saying but I don't think it is any of his employers business as long as he does his job well.



I disagree
If I wrote a book that criticised my employer I would expect to get fired.

It's ironic that the Neocons have been campaigning to water down unfair dismissal laws yet now complain about them. It's easy to see that they have a political axe to grind.
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The Right Wing only believe in free speech when they agree with what is being said.
 
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Reply #27 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 8:37pm
 
The guy might have been sacked for not declaring his second job as a writer, or maybe for doing his second job whilst being paid for his first... Just saying.
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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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Reply #28 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 9:26pm
 
Nothing a climate change reeducation camp won't fix.  Cheesy
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Reply #29 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 11:48pm
 
I believe he has been offered employment by a skeptic tank under the tutelage of innocentbystander the bottom dweller.
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