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Reply #45 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:52am
 
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This was a success for Turnbull, Abbott gave him the job of stuffing up telecommunications and he did a wonderful job of it.
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Reply #46 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 11:02am
 
Yeah. Menzies did not agree with the Snowy Scheme but at least he finished it. Abbott too destructive a thug to do that: infantile.

Now we are going to have to finish rolling out most of the MTM before we can run out FTTH. Colossal waste of taxpayers’ money, worse waste of time! Kiwi is running rings around us. By the time we get FTTH all our neighbors and trading partners and rivals will have had superfast FTTH for decades! That is why I call the MTM treason!
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Reply #47 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 11:11am
 
It is clear Longy actually, rare for a rightard, realises that the MTM will be an expensive failure.

Twice now he has mocked, told lies, avoided actual debate about the MTM. So he knows the MTM is a platinum level debacle.
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Reply #48 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:21pm
 
Longy longy longy, you have read my previous post. By your cowardly refusal to post some detail about your analysis of the MTM you admit it will be a very expensive turkey.
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Reply #49 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:54pm
 
Longy so busy, somehow keeps avoiding this thread. Longy longy, can’t you defend the ridiculous MTM? HM will it cost, what benefits will it give? Come on, put a couple of figures down!

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Reply #50 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:24pm
 
What the bugger is with Liberal supporters and unable to criticize their own party? Labor supporters criticize Shorten and Labor policy all the time, Greens supporters often criticize the Greens stance on GMOs. Why is it that every Liberal online has the need to pretend they support every policy of their party?

No one with a brain can justify MTM. The entire purpose of it is pandering to Telstra shareholders and Murdoch at the cost of tens of billions of dollars in up front cost, hundreds of billions in maintenance and further hundreds of billions lost in economic potential. Not only that it is unprofitable straight from the get go and taxpayers are picking up the tab, unlike the original NBN.

You honestly just look like bigger idiots and party zealots defending MTM rather than just admitting its a policy disaster possibly the biggest ever seen in this countries history.
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Reply #51 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:38pm
 
Yup. Guess they been reading that execrable propaganda rag the Daily Toilet for so long they have no ability to think.

Looks like the MTM will be run out regardless of who wins the next election, too much delay, contracts signed etc. What a fricking WASTE!
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Reply #52 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 6:30am
 
Paul Budde, respected communications commentator:

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When this government was in opposition it claimed that an FttH rollout would cost $90 billion. We now know that it was plucking a number out of the air simply to scare people and at the time I was angry about that, as most of the media use those statements without doing their own proper investigation. Every statement a politician makes is regurgitated by most of the public media, with no fact checking. (Having learnt their lesson from lying politicians some of the media have since started to implement fact checking in their reporting.)

Once it was in government the Coalition then had to admit that the $90 billion figure was perhaps a bit too high; but at the same time it warned that an FttH-based NBN would still have cost Australia a shocking $56 billion. Fast forward to today and the government now states that, due to the many unknown costs linked to its retrofit policy, its second-rate version of the NBN would now also cost $56 billion.


With Project Fox technologies FTTH would have cost significantly less than the $56Bn the mishmash of incompatible, obsolete crap we are being saddled with. $56Bn is just the starting point, it will cost MUCH more than that!

Cost of delay caused by switching to the idiotic MTM:
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So now we have a significantly delayed and far more costly NBN. However the real problem is that it will still only deliver a second-rate network – and this at a time when other countries are rolling out FttH. In Singapore 75% of users are already connected to FttH; and countries such as South Korea, Japan, Sweden, the Gulf States, Estonia and others are not far behind them


That is our trading partners and neighbors. NZ is rolling out FTTH as fast as it can.

The real cost of proceeding with outdated junk and Telstra crap copper:
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My real problem is not the delay and the higher costs, but the fact that for all of that we get a network that will not deliver us the capacity and quality needed to build a modern economy and society.

[para snipped]

It also seems that he has under-estimated the rapid growth of the digital economy. His aim remains to deliver a network that provides 25Mb/s services to all Australians. Admittedly, those on FttH (20% of the population) will have much more, but if your aim is to provide equal opportunity to all (for example, those in outer metro suburbs, regional and rural Australia), as well as delivering ubiquitous services in the areas of telehealth and e-education, then everybody in the country needs to have access to a network that can deliver such services.

For instance, some people have extremely slow access to the MyGov website because many don’t have the broadband capacity needed to make effective use of this site. This is a clear indication that for such national services you need a network with ubiquitous quality.


25mbps will not apply to FTTN subscribers, they will be lucky to get 12:1. Useless for other than checking email, FaceBook and Twitter. Tragic that Malodorous is proceeding with this useless, expensive degradation of our economic, business, health and educational capabilities.

There is huge unfairness to the regions, you would think the Nats would be redhot for the NBN (rural councils certainly were, arranging co payments to get FTTH to areas that otherwise would miss out. But the Nats party is, again, not standing up for the people who vote for them:

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But, aside from the social and economic requirements, many people in rural and regional Australia also have problems getting good quality access to entertainment services such as iView and Netflix. The minister seems to have under-estimated the incredible uptake of such services, as well as the use of smartphones and tablets, all of which require more capacity and better quality. In its latest report NBN Co also indicated it was surprised by the effect that Netflix has on its network – this despite the fact that people like me have warned about it for a long time.


Well, their aim is to please Telstra and Murdoch and stuff the nation. Smartphones, iPads etc mostly upload and download data via wifi, so they are adding extra load to the copper network and Netflix has, and is, adding more and more load on the network as people sign up for it every month.

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Reply #53 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 6:35am
 
Back to the rural community who are really being shafted by Turncoat:

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At that time (2013) I thought that he would come back with some sort of plan that would, without too much political damage to the government, somehow see FttH reinstated, at least as the end solution. But when he kept going on about 25Mb/s services being more than enough for Australians it became clear to me that a more visionary approach to the NBN would not be forthcoming, and I started to question his understanding of what was happening in the digital economy.

The fact that he hardly ever links the NBN to the digital economy is really disappointing. For what reason, other than the national interest, would the government invest such a lot of money in an NBN? My reading of this is that he knows very well that his second-rate NBN will not be able to provide that digital backbone for the Australian economy.

Based on current growth in broadband requirement I think that the Farmers’ Federation was not far off the mark when it stated that the capacity on the new satellites would have started to run out by 2020. For more than a decade now rural Australia has been starved of any form of quality broadband. The pent-up demand there is enormous and high-quality broadband will finally allow these people to join the rest of the country.

They don’t have cinemas around the corner and will be heavy users of video entertainment. Imagine what this will mean for the network! And if one looks at the Smart Farm applications used in Armidale it is easy to see that the business use of the NBN for farmers will be equally spectacular. And with teleconferencing and cloud computing rapidly becoming the norm the latency problems associated with satellites will become real issues for those who depend on satellite-based broadband. Rural Australia will be by far the largest users of telehealth and e-education, and the latency problem will hamper these developments.

What value, then, do we put on the Minister’s statement on ABC TV: There is nothing more important to me as minister than ensuring people in rural and remote Australia have absolute first-class telecommunication.

This became very clear to the people of Birdsville when, during his visit to the region, they personally negotiated with the Prime Minister a $7 million fibre optic link to deliver that first-class service – only to have Tony Abbott dishonour the deal a few months later, leaving the people of Birdsville with a second-class solution. Who can you trust?

There is no doubt in my mind that far more fibre will be needed in rural Australia to sustain the farming and mining communities, and satellite will simply not cut it.


http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/the-nbn-more-lies-leading-us-from-bad-...

It is clear FTTH is the only way decent broadband to facilitate business, education, health, provide entertainment, communications to all but especially to those living and working in rural areas. The MTM mish mash simply won’t cut it.

Edit: added the link to the article I quoted from.
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Reply #54 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:43pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 7:24pm:
What the bugger is with Liberal supporters and unable to criticize their own party? Labor supporters criticize Shorten and Labor policy all the time, Greens supporters often criticize the Greens stance on GMOs. Why is it that every Liberal online has the need to pretend they support every policy of their party?

No one with a brain can justify MTM. The entire purpose of it is pandering to Telstra shareholders and Murdoch at the cost of tens of billions of dollars in up front cost, hundreds of billions in maintenance and further hundreds of billions lost in economic potential. Not only that it is unprofitable straight from the get go and taxpayers are picking up the tab, unlike the original NBN.

You honestly just look like bigger idiots and party zealots defending MTM rather than just admitting its a policy disaster possibly the biggest ever seen in this countries history.

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Reply #55 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:45pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:54pm:
Longy so busy, somehow keeps avoiding this thread. Longy longy, can’t you defend the ridiculous MTM? HM will it cost, what benefits will it give? Come on, put a couple of figures down!

What are you afraid of longy old son?

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Dnarever wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:52am:
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This was a success for Turnbull, Abbott gave him the job of stuffing up telecommunications and he did a wonderful job of it.

...and now it goes down in the global political history books as the most illogical use of a once in a century mining boom that ever happened! Not even colin barnett called it a 'boom' because he knew it was being wasted and it disappeared into paper profits for once long-haired hippies that turned on their kids once the sex got into weetbix territory  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #57 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:51pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 10:31am:
They did not design the NBN. And, yes, when a Minister has a major project you don’t think they have to sell it to the PM and cabinet?

Some people here are thick but Armpit goes way beyond mere thick.

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Reply #58 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
Rider wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:39am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 9:31am:
Exploding Maldorous’ myths about the MTM costs:

http://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/6905096/data/exploding-malcolm-turnbull%25E2%2580%25...

Longy Oh Longy, you going to give any estimate of costs and benefits of the idiotic MTM? Longy????


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Reply #59 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 2:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:18pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 1:03pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 at 9:14am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:40pm:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 at 6:33pm:
So we are up to $150B now?  When will your next ignorant, uninformed estimate come out?  Will it be $200B or $250B?  We cant wait to find out.

In the meantime, Monks polls has the libs trailing 49/51.

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Actually we are at 156 billion already including long term costs of the "MTM" renting the ducts, copper over a 30 year lease is 100 billion.

MTM is a disaster beyond belief.


That's what happens when you let Labor loose with billions of taxpayer dollars and no cost-benefit analysis.

No, numpty, it is Howard’s fault in the first place for privatising Telstra as a monopoly telco and network owner. Then it is the fault of abbott and Malodorous for killing the NBN and rolling out an expensive collection of obsolete technologies.

Malodorous decided on the MTM before he got the CBA. A 100 year project does not need a CBA.


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