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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #15 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

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But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #16 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:52pm

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

Link.

But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

Maria wasn’t here back then, Suppository. She’s an elderly senior citizen. She’s new to the board.

Maria needs our support. Can anyone take her a meal on Fridays? We’ve got the rest of the week covered.

Fish only, thanks, ladies.

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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #17 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59991 Here Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #18 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:22pm 10 years of Turnbull In about 9.5 months it will be ten months of Turnbull, see if he makes that benchmark first. I would say that it's about 60 /40 in his favour.
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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #19 - Oct 1^st, 2015 at 10:21pm

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

Me too, but I hung in there for the excrutiating qustions about the corporate AWU bribes and his repeated deflection.

Shorten’s dead meat. Labor needs a warm body to save the furniture at the next erection, and after that, a new saviour.

I don’t think we’ll see it this generation, but we all live in hope.

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Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 3:26am

Abbott has not gone away. He's still that boxer in the ring getting his brains kicked in but doggedly coming back for more. He can do Turnbull lots of damage from behind the scenes and despite what he says he plans to get back at Turnbull even if it means destroying the party. Needless to say I wish Abbott all the luck in the world.

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Reply #21 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:28am

I admit that I like MT, and is the best chance the Libs have of getting back into power. But being realistic, the current lead the LNP have in the polls is the slimmest of margins. Take into account that the tiny lead is a sugar-hit from TA being dumped.
If MT continues with the same toxic policies, that tiny lead will soon evapourate, and they aren't Tony or Mal's policies, they are the policies of the LNP, and Mal has little power to change them.
MT is sure to remain as preferred PM over Shorten, but that will not translate into the LNP winning government.

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Reply #22 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:35am

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

Link.

But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

It seems to be working pretty well so far. 51/49 in front.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #23 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:37am

oh dear wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 9:15pm:

Still early days but I think Shorten has a real task, after watching Shorten on Q@A and I admit I changed channels after 20 minutes but my impression and its only my opinion but I cant see Labor winning the next election.

That's my point entirely. Shorten is UNelectable. it doesnt matter who is leading the Libs. When teh real test of an election campaign comes around, Labor will lose a great deal of the vote simply when people are asked to vote for this grub of a man.

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Reply #24 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:39am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:35am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

Link.

But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

It seems to be working pretty well so far. 51/49 in front.

I see a strong argument to project that ten years into the future.

Fact is the current numbers come in an unreliable bedding in period. We will not really know if the polls mean anything for at least another 3 months.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #25 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:51am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:35am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

Link.

But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

It seems to be working pretty well so far. 51/49 in front.

I see a strong argument to project that ten years into the future.

Fact is the current numbers come in an unreliable bedding in period. We will not really know if the polls mean anything for at least another 3 months.

Probably true, but do you see Shorten doing anything amazing enough to take votes off the Libs? Do you see Turnbull doing anything to lose votes?

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #26 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:04am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Not unless he makes a 180 degree turn in policy - then where will Long Maria be?

What has he backed down on so far?

$100,000 uni debts

Climate change is real

Unemployment wait for youth, from 6 months to 6 weeks?

Something about renewable energy (not sure)

Does someone know for sure?

Asylum seekers....I don't think so.

It seems like he wants to get some policies passed, unlike Tony.

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Re: 10 years of Turnbull
Reply #27 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:06am

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:35am:

Its time wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 8:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:45pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2015 at 2:43pm:

How's that make you feel?
Mr Consensus will gather the centre around him and stay the distance.
Not something we're used to now but I can see it happening.

Enjoy.

Maybe, but while Abbott and his mob are still there, the likelihood diminishes. The 'right' within the Libs are very unhappy their boy has been defrocked.

Link.

But as Peter Costello wrote, the Turnbull of 2007 is not the Turnbull of 2015. He has learned a lot more about consensus and leading a conservative party. Time will tell, particularly after winning the next election, but for now, the signs are good.

Counting your chickens before they hatch , thats where you came unstuck on your QLD election prediction . If the same policies remain that Australia has unanimously rejected no amount of charisma will sell them .

It seems to be working pretty well so far. 51/49 in front.

I see a strong argument to project that ten years into the future.

Fact is the current numbers come in an unreliable bedding in period. We will not really know if the polls mean anything for at least another 3 months.

Probably true, but do you see Shorten doing anything amazing enough to take votes off the Libs? Do you see Turnbull doing anything to lose votes?

I don't see the current numbers being a reliable base yet to judge who is really in front.

Shorten is doing a good job as far as it goes he looks credible and consistent. The question is are the Liberals going to lose an election and I don't really see that much has changed. IMO Abbott was a good chance to win the next election despite what the polls were saying as horrific as that would have been.

I do not believe that a backstabber in a government full of turmoil is ever in as strong a position. Turnbull has a lot of flaws and a lot of political enemies that the electorate will probably have time to see before they vote next.

At this point it looks like Turncoat has his hands tied, he isn't allowed to fix virtually any of the problems that put the Liberals into trouble. In my view the problem has been poor policy, changing the head but keeping the problem in place does not solve anything for them.

In my view 3 months or so to get a base position and then see what happens.

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double plus good Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5693 Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #28 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:07am Funny how polls don't mean anything when Labor's behind.
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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: 10 years of Turnbull Reply #29 - Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 8:10am mariacostel wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2015 at 7:51am: Probably true, but do you see Shorten doing anything amazing enough to take votes off the Libs? Do you see Turnbull doing anything to lose votes? Yes, he is already losing votes by committing to the toxic policies implemented by Abbot. Fraudband and Direct Action to name just 2.
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