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Reply #570 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

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Reply #575 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:59pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

Precisely. An abuse of power.

What else could family violence be but an abuse of power?

It takes power to subjugate another person.

This is not a feminist principle, it's common sense.

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Reply #576 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

Now you see the lack of virtue in the powers of the State being called into play without licence as a means of resolving a minor disagreement by the imposition of threat of violence and even direct violence, thus forcing the other to do one's bidding.

That is why the current dealing of 'domestic violence' has always been wrong. It is wrong because it does not 'equalise' power in a situation of gross wrong - it reposes power in the hands of one by imposing disempowerment on the other in any trivial or even contrived situation, and thus is the creator of its own crime... and of the responses to it that are escalating as we speak.

The Frankenstinian Monster of Feminism let loose upon an unsuspecting populace....

As a matter of interest, in my writings, my Herr Dokteur Professor Viktor von Frankenstein III - great grand-son of the original Viktor (and his identical twin sister Viktoria, head of the Swedish KounterKultureKreationbund - KKK) - are responsible for the creation of the Swedish Feminist Monster - their family having fled to Sweden after the original Frankenstein disaster... genetic pre-disposition always shows, eh?

Viktor ended up in my castle cellar, consuming my fine whiskies and such voraciously, as a means of trying to forget..... his sister Viktoria.. well... what can I say.. a girl has to find a warm refuge somewhere...eh?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: ••• DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ••• Reply #577 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:07pm More entertainment - Peta Credlin pole dancing:-
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87687 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: ••• DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ••• Reply #579 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:12pm .. and now to condemn to the outer darkness any who might accuse us at Grappler Enterprises Inc of (gasps) sexism... Let's hear it for the girls:-
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Reply #580 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:18pm

mothra wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

Precisely. An abuse of power.

What else could family violence be but an abuse of power?

It takes power to subjugate another person.

This is not a feminist principle, it's common sense.

Indeed - but the feminists have hijacked it as one of their major thrusts for women to take power in the home, and in society, by enforcing against men sanctions that remove their power - a policy beloved by politicians because it fits their agenda like a glove fits a hand......

That hijacking is the point of departure from any reasonable discussion of the issues here..... since the use to which it has been put perpetrates the very violence and social, economic, and personal disempowerment it claims to be trying to prevent, but against a different chosen group within our society(ies).

Keep exploring, Grasshopper - you are close than you think - you only need to reverse the situations you discuss and see what your response would be.

Like my discussion of affirmative action - our local Centrelink office has 23 women and 4 men - if that situation was reversed, there would be screaming and wailing and marches in the street over discrimination. But as it stands? Not a single word disturbs the peace of the socialist battlefield with all its dead....... and those dead have nothing to say....

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Reply #581 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:25pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:18pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:59pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

Precisely. An abuse of power.

What else could family violence be but an abuse of power?

It takes power to subjugate another person.

This is not a feminist principle, it's common sense.

Indeed - but the feminists have hijacked it as one of their major thrusts for women to take power in the home, and in society, by enforcing against men sanctions that remove their power - a policy beloved by politicians because it fits their agenda like a glove fits a hand......

That hijacking is the point of departure from any reasonable discussion of the issues here..... since the use to which it has been put perpetrates the very violence and social, economic, and personal disempowerment it claims to be trying to prevent, but against a different chosen group within our society(ies).

Keep exploring, Grasshopper - you are close than you think - you only need to reverse the situations you discuss and see what your response would be.

Like my discussion of affirmative action - our local Centrelink office has 23 women and 4 men - if that situation was reversed, there would be screaming and wailing and marches in the street over discrimination. But as it stands? Not a single word disturbs the peace of the socialist battlefield with all its dead....... and those dead have nothing to say....

Grappler, i don't agree. Feminists have done no such thing.

We are going to get into that tricky territory where you and i disagree strongly, that being the use of outside force to attend to family violence.

Whilst i accept that some women play that card it is in the extreme minority. Most women who cry domestic violence need to cry domestic violence. They have been stripped of all power and need that redressed by imposing sanctions on the men abusing them. It is their only recourse. The most dangerous time for a woman and children leaving a domestic violence situation is in the weeks and months following that leaving. There needs to be a system in place to help protect them.

Likewise with men wanting to leave a domestic violence situation ... although the parameters are different. The biggest hurdle for men is the lack of agency and the social stigma around abuse in the home. This is an issue for men to address. Women can only play a support role in this.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: ••• DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ••• Reply #582 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34pm Actually, the most dangerous time is when women are TRYING TO LEAVE.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: ••• DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ••• Reply #583 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:41pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:34pm: Actually, the most dangerous time is when women are TRYING TO LEAVE. You have the wrong information. I suggest you reacquaint yourself with the particulars.
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Reply #584 - Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:43pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 10:06pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 9:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 8^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Specific behaviours need to be stated, along with a reason why said behaviours are wrong.

ANY behaviour where one person exerts control over another person by use of threat, intimidation, coercion, isolation, withholding, direct force or violence would be an example of abuse of power...

If you really need a why to that, no one has the right to force another person to do their bidding... Seems pretty wrong to most people.

Now you see the lack of virtue in the powers of the State being called into play without licence as a means of resolving a minor disagreement by the imposition of threat of violence and even direct violence, thus forcing the other to do one's bidding.

That is why the current dealing of 'domestic violence' has always been wrong. It is wrong because it does not 'equalise' power in a situation of gross wrong - it reposes power in the hands of one by imposing disempowerment on the other in any trivial or even contrived situation, and thus is the creator of its own crime... and of the responses to it that are escalating as we speak.

The Frankenstinian Monster of Feminism let loose upon an unsuspecting populace....

As a matter of interest, in my writings, my Herr Dokteur Professor Viktor von Frankenstein III - great grand-son of the original Viktor (and his identical twin sister Viktoria, head of the Swedish KounterKultureKreationbund - KKK) - are responsible for the creation of the Swedish Feminist Monster - their family having fled to Sweden after the original Frankenstein disaster... genetic pre-disposition always shows, eh?

Viktor ended up in my castle cellar, consuming my fine whiskies and such voraciously, as a means of trying to forget..... his sister Viktoria.. well... what can I say.. a girl has to find a warm refuge somewhere...eh?

Are you by any chance Phem's long lost twin?

You could have just said :

I think women have the upper hand in the area of DV because they staked their claim there first.

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