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Canada dismantled gun registry
Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:20pm
 
Canada had registration of long guns brought in by gun grabbing politicians,they dismantled it a few years ago.

The Canadian gun registry was supposed to cost a few million dollars, it ended up costing over $2 billion and did not prevent or help solve any gun crimes.

Here is a Canadian politician explaining why they abandoned long gun registration-


Here are some quotes by Canadian police on why long gun registration is a waste of time.
www.cdnshootingsports.org/what_police_really_say_about_registry.html

The Canadians spent $2 Billion dollars registering three times the amount of guns we have, they say it prevented and solved zero crimes.

Does Car registration prevent any crimes like drink driving or speeding or perhaps not stopping at a stop sign?

We have nearly 100 Police working full time in the NSW firearms registry, I wonder what that costs and how many crimes it has prevented or solved.

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Reply #1 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:25pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:20pm:
did not prevent ... any gun crimes.



There's no possible way of knowing that.

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Reply #2 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:25pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:20pm:
did not prevent ... any gun crimes.



There's no possible way of knowing that.



Does car registration prevent people from drink driving,speeding,rolling through stop signs?
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Reply #3 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:36pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 2:20pm:
did not prevent ... any gun crimes.



There's no possible way of knowing that.

And, you know it.

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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:31pm
 
How does registration of boats,cars,nurses,doctors,planes prevent crimes,can you explain that one to us peccahead

Since Canada got rid of their gun registry has gun crime increased or decreased?
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Firearm homicides down,but fatal stabbings increase

There were 131 firearm related homicides in 2013,down 41 from 2012.This resulted in the lowest rate of firearm related homicide since comparable data became available in 1974.

While firearm related homicides decreased in 2013,the number of fatal stabbings grew,There were 195 fatal stabbings,31 more than 2012.
www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/141201/dq141201a-eng.htm



Canada got rid of their long gun registry and gun crimes continue to decrease.

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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:42pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:31pm:
How does registration of boats,cars,nurses,doctors,planes prevent crimes,can you explain that one to us peccahead


Well, gun nuts like you always seem to be unwilling to obey the law so obviously it will always fail in your case Baron.   To most other people, criminals included, it makes their vehicles traceable.  You commit a crime while driving your vehicle and the license number is remembered and traced back to you.  Same thing with guns.  You commit a crime, the registered characteristics of the weapon used are traced back to you.

You do realise that you're missing a key point in this whole gun registration affair?  If can also be used to clear people of involvement in a crime.  It could also be used to save someone, if their gun has been stolen and is used in a crime.  As always, you focus on how it affects you as a lawful citizen without realising that by giving up some of your information you can also help to solve crimes.

Canada got rid of their firearms registry against the wishes of the police who used it Baron.   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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|dev|null wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:42pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:31pm:
How does registration of boats,cars,nurses,doctors,planes prevent crimes,can you explain that one to us peccahead


Well, gun nuts like you always seem to be unwilling to obey the law so obviously it will always fail in your case Baron.   To most other people, criminals included, it makes their vehicles traceable.  You commit a crime while driving your vehicle and the license number is remembered and traced back to you.  Same thing with guns.  You commit a crime, the registered characteristics of the weapon used are traced back to you.

You do realise that you're missing a key point in this whole gun registration affair?  If can also be used to clear people of involvement in a crime.  It could also be used to save someone, if their gun has been stolen and is used in a crime.  As always, you focus on how it affects you as a lawful citizen without realising that by giving up some of your information you can also help to solve crimes.

Canada got rid of their firearms registry against the wishes of the police who used it Baron.   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


The police don't make the laws hb that is the politicians job, the police on the street said registration is a waste of time because criminals don't register their guns if you bothered to read any links or listen to what is said in the video.

Registration of firearms has never solved any crimes that is why Canada got rid of it,it has never prevented any gun crimes.

Forensic testing might read a serial number to attach to a report yet the serial and model number solves nothing.
Ballistic testing is what links guns to crimes,they need to find the gun and fire it to be capable of linking it to a crime.

Canada got rid of the gun registry when politicans showed evidence the $2 billion cost achieved nothing in solving or preventing gun crimes, the people voted on it.


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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
That video seems to be from a guy described in Wiki as the most vocal opponent of the gun registry. So to begin with probably not the most unbiased person to talk about it.
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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 7:35pm
 

|dev|null wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:42pm:
Well, gun nuts like you ...


BIGOT!


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Reply #9 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 7:35pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:42pm:
Well, gun nuts like you ...


BIGOT!


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Not terribly fair, Lionel, considering that the Baron opened with his usual insult of "hoplophobe".    Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Sep 1st, 2015 at 12:16pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 7:35pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 31st, 2015 at 3:42pm:
Well, gun nuts like you ...


BIGOT!

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I merely reflect back the Baron's attitudes to him.  He calls me a "hoplophobe" without reason so I refer to him as a "gun nut".   It's friendly banter, nothing more.   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
New Zealand abolished long gun registration in the 1980's because Police said it was a waste of money that prevented and solved no crimes.

New Zealand has had no mass shootings since Pt Arthur and they allow hunters to fit sound moderators on their semi auto hunting rifles.
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:19pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 12:45pm:
New Zealand abolished long gun registration in the 1980's because Police said it was a waste of money that prevented and solved no crimes.

New Zealand has had no mass shootings since Pt Arthur and they allow hunters to fit sound moderators on their semi auto hunting rifles.


Why do you keep introducing red herrings into the discussion Baron?

Look, Swaziland introduced registration of firearms!  Look, it's solved crimes!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:55pm
 
New Zealand and Canada both had registration of long firearms, they both abolished long arm registration.

Both Canada and New Zealand both said registration was a costly waste of time that didn't prevent or solve any gun crime, this is why they abolished it.
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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:57pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:19pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 12:45pm:
New Zealand abolished long gun registration in the 1980's because Police said it was a waste of money that prevented and solved no crimes.

New Zealand has had no mass shootings since Pt Arthur and they allow hunters to fit sound moderators on their semi auto hunting rifles.


Why do you keep introducing red herrings into the discussion Baron?

Look, Swaziland introduced registration of firearms!  Look, it's solved crimes!   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


The Canadian politician in the opening video said he was for gun registration when it was proposed,he said he has done a complete 180 on gun registration when he looked at the facts, did you see that bit HB?
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