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Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:10pm
 
While I was in the Riverland I was sitting in the big shed after dinner, dog on my lap my great nephew comes in, comes to me and, shouting, energetic, hand held high and tries to pet my dog who reacted by biting him.

To a dog, a stranger trying to pat it on the head is not the stranger being friendly but an interloper trying to impose dominance over the dog and to a dog who is settled into a hierarchy with the people it lives with dominance is something to be resisted and teeth are a dog’s only way of doing so.

Not a good idea to approach a dog, especially with hand held high! Let the dog come to you, sniff you—dog instinct—and it will signal it wanting a pat, still not on he top of its head by rearing up and putting its front legs on you. A couple treats, dry biscuit will do biggrin.gif dogs value quantity over quality!

A dog’s tail is also very useful: there are two separate wags!

A nervous or aggressive dog will have its tail straight out behind it and wag it slowly. Best to slowly move out of its vicinity! No eye contact!

A happy dog has its tail straight up and curled forward and it will wag this quickly. Still don’t pat it on the top of its head!

A children’s birthday party? Put your dog in a boarding kennel for the day! Screaming, running kids—some kid will get bitten for sure!


Punishing a dog

A dog has 1/7th the short term memory we have (and seven times faster reflexes!) so no point punishing a dog UNLESS you catch it in the act.

How do you punish a dog? Ignore it! All it takes!

My dog ended up in my car all by itself for an hour. I know my great nephew earned a bite but we can never allow a dog to bite unpunished (unless it bites a burglar Smiley )
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Re: Doggy etiquette
Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:16pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
While I was in the Riverland I was sitting in the big shed after dinner, dog on my lap my great nephew comes in, comes to me and, shouting, energetic, hand held high and tries to pet my dog who reacted by biting him.

To a dog, a stranger trying to pat it on the head is not the stranger being friendly but an interloper trying to impose dominance over the dog and to a dog who is settled into a hierarchy with the people it lives with dominance is something to be resisted and teeth are a dog’s only way of doing so.

Not a good idea to approach a dog, especially with hand held high! Let the dog come to you, sniff you—dog instinct—and it will signal it wanting a pat, still not on he top of its head by rearing up and putting its front legs on you. A couple treats, dry biscuit will do biggrin.gif dogs value quantity over quality!

A dog’s tail is also very useful: there are two separate wags!

A nervous or aggressive dog will have its tail straight out behind it and wag it slowly. Best to slowly move out of its vicinity! No eye contact!

A happy dog has its tail straight up and curled forward and it will wag this quickly. Still don’t pat it on the top of its head!

A children’s birthday party? Put your dog in a boarding kennel for the day! Screaming, running kids—some kid will get bitten for sure!


Punishing a dog

A dog has 1/7th the short term memory we have (and seven times faster reflexes!) so no point punishing a dog UNLESS you catch it in the act.

How do you punish a dog? Ignore it! All it takes!

My dog ended up in my car all by itself for an hour. I know my great nephew earned a bite but we can never allow a dog to bite unpunished (unless it bites a burglar Smiley )



Therefore you actually taught the dog that cars are a form of punishment, so in future the dog could develop a phobia which makes it hate travelling in a vehicle. Surely the best way to train the dog not to bite would be to set up a similar situation again, then correct the dog immediately it shows the aforementioned undesirable behaviour......ie  attempting to bite.

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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2015 at 10:55pm
 
No.
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 9:37am
 
No dog of mine has ever had any idea about etiquette. They have always followed their master's behaviour in this respect.
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:42am
 
Dogs have needs which drives behavior, what I call doggy etiquette.
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2015 at 11:30am
 
Muttley wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:16pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:10pm:
While I was in the Riverland I was sitting in the big shed after dinner, dog on my lap my great nephew comes in, comes to me and, shouting, energetic, hand held high and tries to pet my dog who reacted by biting him.

To a dog, a stranger trying to pat it on the head is not the stranger being friendly but an interloper trying to impose dominance over the dog and to a dog who is settled into a hierarchy with the people it lives with dominance is something to be resisted and teeth are a dog’s only way of doing so.

Not a good idea to approach a dog, especially with hand held high! Let the dog come to you, sniff you—dog instinct—and it will signal it wanting a pat, still not on he top of its head by rearing up and putting its front legs on you. A couple treats, dry biscuit will do biggrin.gif dogs value quantity over quality!

A dog’s tail is also very useful: there are two separate wags!

A nervous or aggressive dog will have its tail straight out behind it and wag it slowly. Best to slowly move out of its vicinity! No eye contact!

A happy dog has its tail straight up and curled forward and it will wag this quickly. Still don’t pat it on the top of its head!

A children’s birthday party? Put your dog in a boarding kennel for the day! Screaming, running kids—some kid will get bitten for sure!


Punishing a dog

A dog has 1/7th the short term memory we have (and seven times faster reflexes!) so no point punishing a dog UNLESS you catch it in the act.

How do you punish a dog? Ignore it! All it takes!

My dog ended up in my car all by itself for an hour. I know my great nephew earned a bite but we can never allow a dog to bite unpunished (unless it bites a burglar Smiley )



Therefore you actually taught the dog that cars are a form of punishment, so in future the dog could develop a phobia which makes it hate travelling in a vehicle. Surely the best way to train the dog not to bite would be to set up a similar situation again, then correct the dog immediately it shows the aforementioned undesirable behaviour......ie  attempting to bite.



Ive been taught to apply the three second rule.

If you need to discipline your dog, you only have three seconds after they have done something naughty to punish them, otherwise they don't make the mental connection.
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
Exactly right, Pho Huc.
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Reply #7 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 3:38pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 3rd, 2015 at 10:42am:
Dogs have needs which drives behavior, what I call doggy etiquette.


Dogs have drives which determine behaviour. These drives are used in training.....prey drive (chasing), defence drive (defending against aggression), fight drive (very rare except some working dogs), hunt drive (searching and tracking). Trainers utilise pronounced drives to train for various tasks which include police, military, detection (drugs & explosives).

How do I know?  I trained working dogs for 30 years both professionally and recreationally.

Body language is an important part of training any dog pet or otherwise, but if you don't have a clue how to react with your dog if you are able to read his body language, you really can only react to his mistakes, which is pointless in training. However, most trainers rely on positive reinforcement which means you reward the dog when it does something you want it to do.....reward can take the form of a toy, food, praise etc.....
Then there is negative reinforcement which takes the form of correcting the dog at the very time it does what you do not want it to do.  This can take the form of varying degrees of correction, verbal, physical, or in the case of minor transgressions (biting is not minor) when the animal is young, ignoring the behaviour. The dog actually has to know what interacting with it is, or being rewarded for good behaviour, and what ignoring bad behaviour is, otherwise your action, or your inaction will not be understood as a correction.

Thinking that a dog understands being shut up in a car for hours  for being 'naughty' is being anthropomorphic, and is merely encouraging the dog to behave badly through it's boredom.

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Reply #8 - Sep 4th, 2015 at 8:30pm
 
Who said it was for hours?
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Reply #9 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 10:54am
 
If you spend a lot of time with your dog - they know exactly what you're saying through the tone in your voice. You don't need to hit it or put it in the naughty corner.

As far as the biting is concerned - stupid people get into a dogs's space then are surprised when they get bitten.
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Reply #10 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 12:44pm
 
mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 10:54am:
If you spend a lot of time with your dog - they know exactly what you're saying through the tone in your voice. You don't need to hit it or put it in the naughty corner.

As far as the biting is concerned - stupid people get into a dogs's space then are surprised when they get bitten.



Yes that is true, but also "stupid people" have dogs and have no idea how to treat their animal if it reacts to a "stupid person" getting into it's space or face.

Also, as far as an hour or hours are concerned, the dog's life is short in our terms, but an eternity in it's own time span and an hour can seem like a week to a dog.

There is no substitute for interaction on a daily basis, it's called socialisation and combined, social interaction, so that the dog does not feel threatened when some fool waves his arms about in front of the dog. Then no correction is necessary.
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Reply #11 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
mantra wrote on Sep 5th, 2015 at 10:54am:
If you spend a lot of time with your dog - they know exactly what you're saying through the tone in your voice. You don't need to hit it or put it in the naughty corner.

As far as the biting is concerned - stupid people get into a dogs's space then are surprised when they get bitten.

Not just stupid people—kids who have not been told and forget anyway in their excitement.
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Reply #12 - Sep 5th, 2015 at 5:01pm
 
I had a little Corgi, he was my "baby" for about 6 years, then I had my "real" baby.  I was a little nervous about how he would react to the new baby but when we came home and she started to cry, he looked at me, as much to say "what have you done ... gotten a CAT?" I said "No, it is a baby and she will be your friend".  He wasn't convinced for the first couple of days but when I bought her out and let him lick her little face (have pics) he thought to himself ... right, I am not "disposed"  I am In Charge!  Next I knew he was sleeping under her cot and On Guard.  Grin
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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2015 at 3:01am
 
My dog used to lick his butt, was not allowed to lick my baby's face.
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2015 at 8:30am
 
Your dog is vicious and should be euthanised immediately.
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