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Reply #30 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:36am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:32am:
red baron wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:25am:
I'm just stating cold hard facts Im Spartacus...The Libs have painted how rosy it will be in the Electricity Garden now they have the green light to sell it off.

Well the only thing that will be in that garden is weeds.

As usual the public have been conned. Why you would want to sell of a utility that generates 2 billion dollars a year profit beats the f... out of me. Short term gain...long term pain after the Libs piss the windfall up against the wall.


There are 4 main reasons for selling public utilities:

1. To get money to reduce government debt.
This is stupid hand to mouth short term thinking. For the one off sale we lose annual revenue and put control of the facility into unaccountable private hands driven by the profit motive who have complete control over pricing to serve their purposes not ours.


2. To create more investment opportunities for those with excess liquidity.
Since when are we here to create investment opportunities for private interests esp foreign private interests and if its a profit opportunity its because its going cheap. You know Unforgiven you really are a closet liberal.


3. To increase the access of the utility to money for development of their facilities.

This is propaganda BS.  History shows that the opposite is true. Private enterprise is notorious for running down facilities for profit. Governments on the other hand have a history of properly maintaining and developing government facilities.


4. To make the utility more responsive to consumer demand if indeed competition is enabled or ensured in the privatization.
More blatant propaganda BS. ACTW AGL partly privatised the ACTGrid and customer service is woeful.  At the moment the have a phone hotline. On 2 occasions I phoned them last year (not in 1990 like Unforgiven's stories) and stayed on hold for over 90 min on each occasion forced to listen to there stupid repeat message ("Your call is important to us")  only to be cut off by them without a chance to speak to anyone. And you wait. They will go the same way all private enterprise service providers are going,  where they make sure not to provide a phone number on their web site so you can't call them. Instead you have to go online to their FAQ.

Like all liberals and liberal wannabes Unforgiven believes what he is told instead of what he sees before his very eyes. Customer service by private enterprise is woeful


Red Baron needs to turn it's flagpole into a lance and find some windmills to knock down.

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Reply #31 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm
 
Everyone thinks its business as usual. Well it ain't. Endeavour Energy are STARTING with axing 130 frontline jobs. My son was a high voltage linesman and I can tell you they don't grow on trees. It costs $80,000 to train one up and they just him loose and he is highly qualified.

The jobs being cut are the ones that keep the poles and wires running.


I'd say at first glance when you haven't got anyone in the engine room but plenty on the bridge, then the ship is likely to be f....d as in it won't go when you press 'engines on'.
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Reply #32 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:15pm
 
red baron wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm:
Everyone thinks its business as usual. Well it ain't. Endeavour Energy are STARTING with axing 130 frontline jobs. My son was a high voltage linesman and I can tell you they don't grow on trees. It costs $80,000 to train one up and they just him loose and he is highly qualified.

The jobs being cut are the ones that keep the poles and wires running.


I'd say at first glance when you haven't got anyone in the engine room but plenty on the bridge, then the ship is likely to be f....d as in it won't go when you press 'engines on'.

Baird is a snake oil salesman and privatization is the snake oil
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Reply #33 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:17pm
 
Australian electricity prices US $0.30 are high by world comparison.

UK US$ 0.20
USA US$ 0.08-0.17

The utilities need to be cutting costs.

Also, utilities will be shedding their own staff and hiring contractors at agreed rates for defined packages of work. This gives more control over costs and productivity.

Red Baron's son should be heading to WA or Queensland where the opportunities are.
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Reply #34 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:20pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:17pm:
Australian electricity prices US $0.30 are high by world comparison.

UK US$ 0.20
USA US$ 0.08-0.17

The utilities need to be cutting costs.

Also, utilities will be shedding their own staff and hiring contractors at agreed rates for defined packages of work. This gives more control over costs and productivity.


So does operating under awards...

Read a book on the Japanese economy some years ago, and a lot of it is based on small contracting firms doing all the hard yards - in the event the economy takes a nose dive - it is always those small firms that go under or do it hard while the big boys float above it.

What have we learned about economies in the past thirty years or so?  Absolutely nothing....

Why does everyone continue with the myth that the Fair
Work Commission will sign off on a deal that proves less than Award conditions - it's in its marching orders to NOT do that - putting the lie to the whole thing.

A proliferation of contractors as opposed to a core workforce leads inevitably to higher overall costs due to multiplication of business costs etc, and greater risk for those contractors, and through them, to their employees.

Unless the principal contractors are willing to take a bath in their payments, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

Good service on essentials is not up for dollars.
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Reply #35 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:28pm
 
Couldn't have put it better myself I'm Spartacus2. Baird is being hailed a Messiah but he is all smoke and mirrors. There will be a very, very heavy price to pay for this 'snake oil' salesman's selling up of New South Wales.

The 'Grinning Assassin' as a perfect name for this bloke.
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Reply #36 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:45pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:17pm:
Australian electricity prices US $0.30 are high by world comparison.

UK US$ 0.20
USA US$ 0.08-0.17

The utilities need to be cutting costs.

Also, utilities will be shedding their own staff and hiring contractors at agreed rates for defined packages of work. This gives more control over costs and productivity.

Red Baron's son should be heading to WA or Queensland where the opportunities are.
All self interested propaganda cr@p. This is the same sh!t they were pedaling with Enron and then surprise surprise, its all BS and the public purse is left to pay to clean up the mess. Privatization inevitably costs the public more because profit and not service is the solitary  aim of the owners
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Reply #37 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:45pm
 
Nobody is entitled to a job and no one is entitled to employment for their lifetime by one employer.

Workers have to evolve.

If Red Baron's son whined less and took this as an opportunity instead of a misfortune he would evolve into a better person and a better job.

Red Baron stop your whining and move on.

Your son should examine other states and industries and even consider emigrating to USA where there are probably shortages of people with his skills.
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Reply #38 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:50pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 3:45pm:
Nobody is entitled to a job and no one is entitled to employment for their lifetime by one employer.

Workers have to evolve.

If Red Baron's son whined less and took this as an opportunity instead of a misfortune he would evolve into a better person and a better job.

Red Baron stop your whining and move on.

Your son should examine other states and industries and even consider emigrating to USA where there are probably shortages of people with his skills.



Indeed.

Take the Monty Python approach, and always look on the bright side of life.

Forget the door that's closing - look for another one that can be prised opened.

Look at Jeremy Clarkson, for example.

He was pissed off when he got the sack from Top Gear, but it was a blessing in disguise.

"JEREMY Clarkson will become Britain’s highest-paid TV host when his pay rolls in for his new Amazon Prime series."

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/jeremy-clarkson-to-be-uks-highest-paid-t...
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Reply #39 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:06pm
 
My son will survive but the New South Wales Electricity Grid is as doomed as the Dinosaurs.

And Unforgiven...when the lights go out...and they will...I frigging hope they go out first at your house..Then you can do all the whining you like!
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Reply #40 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:09pm
 
red baron wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:06pm:
My son will survive but the New South Wales Electricity Grid is as doomed as the Dinosaurs.

And Unforgiven...when the lights go out...and they will...I frigging hope they go out first at your house..Then you can do all the whining you like!


I will consider it an opportunity to become independent.
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Reply #41 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:17pm
 
By that I take it you will become a candle maker Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #42 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:38pm
 
red baron wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
By that I take it you will become a candle maker Grin Grin Grin


Why? I can buy Chinese candles for a few cents each.

I can also buy a bunch of Chinese equipment to liberate me from the grid.
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Reply #43 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:40pm
 
Like that will work Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #44 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:44pm
 
red baron wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 4:40pm:
Like that will work Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I could hire a few ex-linesmen and pedal powered generators.
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