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Reply #15 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:30am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

You must have missed the part where it was showing that the Liberals had put less legislation forward.

i.e. there was already less before the senate were involved in any way.

This senate is acting no differently to the previous one.

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the Abbott government has also introduced fewer bills to the House of Representatives. A comparison of the first 135 sitting days of the 43rd and 44th parliaments finds that 480 bills were introduced there under Ms Gillard's prime ministership, while 365 - excluding duplicate versions of bills - were introduced under Mr Abbott.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has witnessed the Rudd, Gillard and Abbott governments at close quarters, said while the Gillard government used to "pride itself" on passing many bills that were "pretty average", the pendulum had swung back in the other direction under the Coalition.

"There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbotts-government-the-slowest-for-nearly-five-decades-20150821-gj4lxc.html#ixzz3jgN1abAu
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Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence? I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste and that Abbott is clearly intent on not making the same mistakes Labor made.

Since when is the number of bills put forth a measure of a governments' competence?

Doing nothing sure isn't.

BUT: Don't ask me Ask Nick.

Independent senator Nick Xenophon "There seems to be a policy paralysis," he said.

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I'd counter your argument by telling you that most of the legislation that was put forth by Rudd/Gillard was either a colossal mistake or a colossal waste

Yes you could - you often make up a load of unsupportable rubbish thinking it helps your case.

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Reply #16 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:33am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

Exactly. Howard managed to negotiate with the senate despite not having control over it for some time. Rudd and Gillard were able to negotiate with the Coalition during their six years in office. It's only now, with Abbott in office, that the senate has become so obstructionist. The ALP and Greens, along with Lambie and that motoring idiot simply don't like Abbott and are putting personal feelings ahead of professional duty.

There were a substantial number of bills that the senate blocked or had modified in the Rudd / Gillard time. The current Senate is performing about the same as others, it is the Abbott government that is more difficult to get along with.

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Reply #17 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:37am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

Exactly. Howard managed to negotiate with the senate despite not having control over it for some time. Rudd and Gillard were able to negotiate with the Coalition during their six years in office. It's only now, with Abbott in office, that the senate has become so obstructionist. The ALP and Greens, along with Lambie and that motoring idiot simply don't like Abbott and are putting personal feelings ahead of professional duty.

geez your an idiot ... Abbott isn't getting the legislation through not because the senate is obstructionists, but because he's a liar, and then when he doesn't get his way, he tries to sneak it through by tying it together with other legislation ... his only problem is that everyone in the senate, including Muir and Lambie, are all smarter than him

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Reply #18 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:40am

No Armpit they're blocking poorly thought out policy , look at Aborts signature policy in PPL , what was it 4 times he tweaked it then dumped it all together and is now we have the Libs wanting to take the PPL away . Sadly for you Fraser nailed it when he said Abort had no conviction or contunuity with his decisions . The senate can see he is a bad fit for Australia , why can't you?

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Reply #19 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:57am

The Senate has been able to block Aborts legislation without public backlash because the public supports them. You see that's the problem with a govt so blatantly breaking so many promises; the senate can more easily block the legislation. Add to that that the government's legislation is so blatantly unfair and the Senate is on a definite winner. Why do you think the Greens/Xenophone's etc popularity has gone up and One Term Tony's has plummeted. Thank god for the Senate!!!!!

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Reply #20 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:12am

hey someones still reading the

smearing morning herald...

wow fairfax will be delighted.....when the tax dept catches up with them for hiding their money in Luxembourg .. they will be in deep poo.....and need every cent they can get..

Grin

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any more battle weary soldiers they can bring down... I am sure they are desperate for DECENT STORIES to keep their few readers happy.> Angry

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Reply #21 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:29pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:21am:

Johnsmith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

When you have the ALP controlling a large chunk of the Senate and they block budget measures they advocated before the September 2013 election, it makes passing anything but the most benign legislation exceptionally difficult. Labor is seething at losing in 2013 and are simply being childishly petulant, obstructionist and vindictive because they got their arses handed to them by Abbott, of all people. On top of this is the problem of the Independent lunatics, such as Lambie, Lazarus and lets not forget that imbecile Palmer. Given this, it is hardly surprising that Abbott's government is having a hard time getting legislation through this Senate. Time to abolish preferential voting in the Senate. This Senate is a demonstration of what can go wrong with preferential voting and it needs to be abolished before the next election if we are to see a Senate that doesn't include nutjobs with less than 0.5% of the vote.

Stop making excuses .. did you even read the article? Only twice in 50 yrs has the govt. had a majority in the senate. You can't blame the senate just because Abbott has no idea how to negotiate.

Perhaps he could get Maria to negotiate for him?

Exactly. Howard managed to negotiate with the senate despite not having control over it for some time. Rudd and Gillard were able to negotiate with the Coalition during their six years in office. It's only now, with Abbott in office, that the senate has become so obstructionist. The ALP and Greens, along with Lambie and that motoring idiot simply don't like Abbott and are putting personal feelings ahead of professional duty.

No, it's only now that we've got a government led by someone with poor negotiation skills.

If there's Senate obstructionism, why are there so few valid triggers for a double dissolution election at the moment?

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Reply #22 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

Its time wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 5:37am:

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/policy-paralysis-tony-abbott...

What a mess this experiment has turned out to be Roll Eyes

Once the internet starts to become a talking point everything will come back to APPREHENDED BIAS IN OUR NON-DEMOCRACY!

The chickens are coming, the chickens are coming and all liberal voters are hiding their heads in absolute shame. Personal secretaries to familes of lib politicians are finding it hard to maintain their hard fought for reputations and they don't like it as we all know they can't go to the toilet without the ol' smartphone...

- society at large is off abbott and his liberal partys flippant attitude as they now realise it makes them hated by the neighbour to the left and to the right and copper internet is a large part of it: Bronwyn Bishop was simply the warning sign the woke them up from their try-hard-upper-middleclass slumber induced by the crack pipe....

(these blokes pick fights at the nightclub- get choked out and wake up ten minutes later still thinking they're winning.... and we all know it's true!)

((yeh, go Australia: you buggerin' imbeciles- yeh copper internet and stuff Embarrassed

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Reply #23 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

cods wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

hey someones still reading the

smearing morning herald...

wow fairfax will be delighted.....when the tax dept catches up with them for hiding their money in Luxembourg .. they will be in deep poo.....and need every cent they can get..

Grin

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any more battle weary soldiers they can bring down... I am sure they are desperate for DECENT STORIES to keep their few readers happy.> Angry

cods voted for copper internet Cheesy

why did you do that again miss upherself?

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Reply #24 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:01pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

The Senate has been able to block Aborts legislation without public backlash because the public supports them. You see that's the problem with a govt so blatantly breaking so many promises; the senate can more easily block the legislation. Add to that that the government's legislation is so blatantly unfair and the Senate is on a definite winner. Why do you think the Greens/Xenophone's etc popularity has gone up and One Term Tony's has plummeted. Thank god for the Senate!!!!!

APPREHENDED BIAS: THE PUBLIC OPINION ON ABBOTT HAS SET LIKE CONCRETE!

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Reply #25 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

Its time wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 9:40am:

No Armpit they're blocking poorly thought out policy , look at Aborts signature policy in PPL , what was it 4 times he tweaked it then dumped it all together and is now we have the Libs wanting to take the PPL away .

Sadly for you Fraser nailed it when he said Abort had no conviction or contunuity with his decisions .

The senate can see he is a bad fit for Australia , why can't you?

Peter Garrett said years ago the libs had no plans, only a series of stunts!

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Reply #26 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

No need to negotiate.
simply call a double dissolution and vacate the field.
Eventually the australian public will wake up and embrace good economic management.
If they dont, stay in opposition and point out the ineptitude of the labor / green alliance.

Liberal governments should stand for sound economic management.
If they are incapable of delivering this, they should vacate the field of play to avoid damaging the brand

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Reply #28 - Aug 24^th, 2015 at 4:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 24^th, 2015 at 1:48pm:

No need to negotiate.
simply call a double dissolution and vacate the field.
Eventually the australian public will wake up and embrace good economic management.
If they dont, stay in opposition and point out the ineptitude of the labor / green alliance.

Liberal governments should stand for sound economic management.
If they are incapable of delivering this, they should vacate the field of play to avoid damaging the brand

The liberal party have no brand: Peter Garrett is on Hansard saying that the libs have no plan but just a series of stunts!

They are unAustralian and represent the foreign investor under the guise of the investment tap always being a good thing.

I'm not saying the investment tap is a bad thing but i am saying nothing grows exponentially!

Grin

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