Lets ban all guns!  Stop private ownership of all firearms.   

|dev|null wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 11:22am:



No valid argument or meaningful contribution (I guess??) Hot_Breath is just a Troll.... http://imgur.com/MmJgF7o.gif         http://imgur.com/wgENiib.jpg

I am not a troll.

OK so I'll post it here, less the reference to Obama.

There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?

Laws don't stop crimes, they punish crimes.

Monis's crime doesn't fit the criteria of a "massacre".  Only one person died from his hand and two died from the hands of the Police.  Three isn't sufficient to justify it called a "massacre".

Keep grasping.  It's amusing to watch.   

OK so I'll post it here, less the reference to Obama.

There have been many claims that the Gun Laws have stopped any mass shootings in Australia and that therefore they are a success.

The Lyndt Cafe and Monis proved that they are a failure.
All the ingredients were there for a massacre.

Monis had a firearm - the laws didn't stop him from acquiring it.

Monis' firearm was prohibited by the gun laws - he still got it.
his firearm was illegally modified - the gun laws didn't stop the modification.

Monis didn't have a firearms licence - he didn't comply with the gun laws.

Monis took hostages - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis murdered one person - the gun laws didn't stop him.

Monis had it in his power to murder many more people - the gun laws didn't stop him, he was stopped by men with guns.

Anyone care to refute the above?

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:


The USA prohibits convicted felons from owning guns.
That sounds like gun control schemes to me.

They have assault weapon bans and magazine limits in California,New York,Connecticut and Massachusetts.
In Qld a landowner can buy a Ruger SR762 yet an American in Ca,NY,Co and Ma cannot own one of these rifles.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:


The USA prohibits convicted felons from owning guns.
That sounds like gun control schemes to me.

They have assault weapon bans and magazine limits in California,New York,Connecticut and Massachusetts.
In Qld a landowner can buy a Ruger SR762 yet an American in Ca,NY,Co and Ma cannot own one of these rifles.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 3:49pm:


I have no idea why the are outlawing lever action shot guns. I call knee jerk policy.
Its a stupid policy, you can legally own a pump action rifle in 45-70, and its easy to make crimped shot cartridges in this caliber. presto. totally legal pump action shot shooter.
But I digress.

Note that Monis was armed with one shotgun.
Many of the mass murders in the US have involved people armed with an assault rifle and a hand gun. Most of the people they kill are shot by the hand gun.

The fact that Monis could only get a shotgun, and not a assault rifle or handgun vindicates the law, not disproves it.

"Semi's are for people who cant hit the target the first time."

and muzzle loaders are for people who can really shoot.

[quote author=Eugene link=1439250768/22#22 date=1439273776]What's the Japanese record for Sarin gas murders?

I'm sure no place else in the world can equal it.

How's the suicide rate in Japan these days?

Even when they had plenty of guns the knife or the rope were the favourite methods.

Last year the average was 70 suicides per day in Japan.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:


The opening posts allows suggested legislation on either continent - suggesting a ban on both is a valid suggestion.

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:


Japan has very few guns so why is the suicide rate so high, if we listen to the hoplophobes banning guns is all you need to take care of the suicide problem.

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 11^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:


I talking about murder rates, not suicide rates. getting rid of guns does reduce suicide mortality rates, but nowhere near as much as it effects murder rates,

If Japan got rid of the few guns they have how will that reduce their suicide rate?

Australia reduced firearm murder rates while increasing legal ownership of guns, in Australia more guns has resulted in less firearm crimes.

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Aug 12^th, 2015 at 10:29pm:


And how often have gun nuts who commit massacres spent the time and effort to practice?   They use semi-automatic rifles for a reason, cause they are light, easy and affordable.

Care to point out a gun massacre committed in Australia in the last ~20 years which was committed with a bolt action rifle?   

|dev|null wrote on Aug 13^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:


Have there been any mass shootings which didn't use self loaders?

AUBURN — An upcoming change in Maine law that allows adults to carry a concealed handgun without a permit is triggering a spike in gun sales at some local shops.

John Reid, owner of J.T. Reid's Gun Shop in Auburn, said Tuesday that sales of handguns are up and he's ordered more firearms to keep up with the demand.

Reid said much of his new business is coming in response to a law that goes into effect in October. It essentially does away with the requirement in Maine that those carrying a concealed handgun first obtain a permit from police.

"People are showing a lot of interest in it, and I've ordered another 100 handguns to add to the inventory," Reid said. He said weapons popular for personal defense, such as 9 mm and .38-caliber pistols, were the top sellers.

Maine's recent law shift aligns the state with a few others in allowing so-called "constitutional" or "permitless" carry for adults who are not otherwise prohibited by state and federal law from possessing a firearm............CONTINUED

Americans acquiring the most popular rifle in the country will now be doing so only from traditional firearm dealerships and full-service sporting goods stores, which— as it happens —typically have the most extensive selections of firearms and accessories from which to choose, and employees who support the Second Amendment and who can answer firearm questions with expertise.

Walmart said this week that it will no longer sell AR-15s and other “semi-automatic weapons,” and from now on will sell only the kinds of firearms used “by hunters and people who shoot sporting clays and things like that.” The Associated Press reports that Walmart claims its decision wasn’t political, but was rather because sales of the rifle have declined.

Whether Walmart’s decision is political or purely business-driven warrants consideration. Time reports that Walmart stopped selling guns in a third of its stores in 2006, and the Huffington Post reports that the chain now doesn’t sell guns in two-thirds of its stores, even though over that time frame Americans’

annual firearm purchases tripled

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As of 2012, there are an estimated 2.5-3.7 million rifles from the AR-15 family in civilian use in the United States.[50] They are favored for target shooting, hunting, and personal protection, and have become the most popular rifle in America.[51]

Conservatively, since 2012, the number of AR15s in civilian hands in the USA has increased considerably, where some estimate close to 5 million. Nobody really knows, because registration is optional at best.

Canada dismantled their long gun registry when they figured out it cost over $2 billion and prevented ... zero zip zilch crimes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2015 at 2:31pm:


The front line Canadian police say gun registration prevented ... zero crimes

They look drunk.

If the Police find a shortened firearm in your safe while doing safe storage inspections they will seize it along with all your other guns and ammo, it's a serious offense to be in possession of a shortened firearm.