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Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ? (Read 9010 times)
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #90 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 6:51pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:39pm:
wally1 wrote Yesterday at 5:49pm:

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the beast you mention doesnt refer to islam, if anything it refers to the physical beast or antichrist that will appear at the end of times.

Your getting your scriptures all wrong


There are a couple of beasts Wally, islam perfectly fills the criteria of the beast know as 666.

Just a few requirements 666 is pushing for are

Beheading Christians and Jews, muslims love it.

All muslims want to belong to one world islamic state.

Blaspheming against Y.H.W.H. and Christ.

The satanic mark in order to buy and sell (halal certification).


There is no multiple beasts.

The beast is not here yet.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #91 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 6:58pm
 
Stratros

I found the following extracts here

Greek Alphabetic Numbers at the Time of the New Testament

Since the Book of Revelation, like the other twenty six
books of the New Testament, was written in Koine Greek in the first or early second century AD, we must study how numbers were represented at that time in Greek.[5]

By the time of the New Testament we need only consider the Greek alphabetic numeral system.  Although the Greeks had ways of representing numbers in the thousands and also those above ten-thousand (myriads), we will only consider how they represented numbers up to nine hundred ninety nine.

These Greeks, like us, used a decimal system but, unlike us,
they did not use a zero number[9].  Thus, although it was a
decimal system, it was not a place-value system.  Therefore more symbols were needed than just the nine (plus zero) which we use. To represent the numbers up to our 999, they needed 27 different symbols:  nine for the units 1, 2, ..., 9; nine for the tens 10, 20, ..., 90; and still another nine for the hundreds 100, 200, ..., 900.


For symbols they used the letters of the Greek alphabet.
However, an immediate problem arose since the Greek alphabet contained only 24 letters.  To fill in the missing three, they used old obsolete letters from previous alphabets and, somewhat confusingly, these were interspersed with the regular letters.

The following table show the assignments[10].

    TABLE OF NUMERICAL VALUES OF GREEK LETTERS

     1 alpha        10 iota       100 rho
     2 beta         20 kappa      200 sigma
     3 gamma        30 lambda     300 tau
     4 delta        40 mu         400 upsilon
     5 epsilon      50 nu         500 phi
     6 [digamma]    60 xi         600 chi
     7 zeta         70 omicron    700 psi
     8 eta          80 pi         800 omega
     9 theta        90 [koppa]    900 [sampi]

The digamma at 6, however, will be directly relevant for the
representation of six hundred sixty-six.  This letter also became known as stigma (note the "t") because the form of writing it looked like the ligature (writing together) of the two Greek letters sigma and tau, roughly corresponding to our s and t.  [If not done carefully, it can even look like just a sigma, which would be an error.]  For most of the rest of this study this obsolete letter pushed into service to represent the numeral for 6 will be referred to as stigma.

Thus to represent our number of interest, six hundred
sixty-six, rather than using three identical characters (666) as we do in our decimal PLACE-VALUE system, a first century Greek writer (if not spelling out the words just as we also can) would use three distinct characters (chi)(xi)(stigma)!


To summarise Stratos: the book of Book of Revelation, written in Koine Greek in the first or early second century A.D.

If they wanted to use Greek numerals to write 666, they would've used the numerals chi xi stigma.

chi xi stigma looks like: the crossed swords of islam and the bismallah on it's side.

As I've said before

600 60 6 = 666

or

  6
60
600    = 666

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #92 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:14pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 6:58pm:
To summarise Stratos: the book of Book of Revelation, written in Koine Greek in the first or early second century A.D.


Now look at what the characters look like in Koine Greek and let me know if it looks like arabic.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #93 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:24pm
 
wally1 wrote;

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There is no multiple beasts.

The beast is not here yet.


Sorry Wally

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #94 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:25pm
 
no no stratos - as moses explained, you have to throw a symbol on it then put it on its side - then it resembles it. Apparently.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #95 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:25pm:
no no stratos - as moses explained, you have to throw a symbol on it then put it on its side - then it resembles it. Apparently.


You also have to flip it and remove a line, and write it in elaborate cursive that wasn't used until close to a millennium after the original was written.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #96 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:33pm
 
Stratos wrote:
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Now look at what the characters look like in Koine Greek and let me know if it looks like arabic.


The Greek numerical values have been in use since 1st century A.D.

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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #97 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:35pm
 
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Are you faaarking serious moses???

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #98 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:41pm
 
MOSES

moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:33pm:
The Greek numerical values have been in use since 1st century A.D.


THIS IS NOT KOINE

LOOK UP WHEN THE COPY OF REVELATION IN THE CODEX VATICANUS WAS WRITTEN.
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Reply #99 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:47pm
 
CODEX VATICANUS written in 350 A.D. using numerical symbols that had been in use since the 1st century A.D.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #100 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:48pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
CODEX VATICANUS written in 350 A.D. using numerical symbols that had been in use since the 1st century A.D.


Are you 100% sure about that?  Please look up specifically what I asked you Moses.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #101 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:20pm
 
I'm pretty sure.

This site tells us that a first century Greek writer would have used chi xi stigma symbols to write a numerical value of 666.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #102 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 8:27pm
 
Moses this is pathetic, that you need an atheist to do research on your behalf on your own holy scriptures Roll Eyes

The Codex Vaticanus was indeed written when you claim, but it specifically did NOT include Revelation, as well as several other books, which is why it is written in Miniscule and not Koine, which I have mentioned many many times to you already.  The other books were added hundreds and hundreds of years later and added to the codex.

The thing that really annoys me is that if you were remotely skeptical about these claims you could look them up for yourself, instead of blindly believing something just because.

All this information is readily available to you Moses, it isn't being hidden. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #103 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:14pm
 
So the original codex vaticanus did not contain revelations.

I don't have a problem with that.

That does not mean that John never disclosed the prophecies in the 1st century A.D. .

I have never heard of anyone doubting the authenticity of the Book Of Revelation.

666 is accepted by 1.5 billion Christians as a bona fide number.

I doubt that the innumerable scholars who have genuinely tried to keep the bible as we know it as close to the original as is humanly possible, would have missed a mistake which quoted the wrong number.

I can't see how the papyrus 115 is definitely correct and all other versions are wrong, it just doesn't add up.
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Re: Why exactly is Mohammed even called a Prophet ?
Reply #104 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm
 
moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
I have never heard of anyone doubting the authenticity of the Book Of Revelation.


You don't even know who wrote it

moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
666 is accepted by 1.5 billion Christians as a bona fide number.


I don't really care.  What I do care about is that is looks nothing like bismillah like you have repeatedly claim.

moses wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
I can't see how the papyrus 115 is definitely correct and all other versions are wrong, it just doesn't add up.


What do you mean "all other versions"  There are two fragments from around that period in total that we have today?
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