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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #165 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:02pm freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:26pm: I do not think people would knowingly adopt an evil spiritual doctrine. Then Gandalf Says: We do not Believe it is Evil. Then the circle recommences.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #166 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:04pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

What happened, Matty? Did you go early this time?

I think he might have been forced off lol.

Whilst here, can you explain 2 things for me please :

1. Why does the nic WhywhyHuh talk to himself ie he answers himself as though he is talking to another person?

2. Also, why does he keep referring to the nic Pho as Karnal?

He thinks that Karnal is talking to herself through her avatar(me) and somehow(crazy logic) if he talks to himself, it will force Karnal to drop her "ruse".

Ohhhhhhhh I see.

Now THAT does explain his latest round of online insanity quite well Grin

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #167 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:07pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

I do not think people would knowingly adopt an evil spiritual doctrine.

Then Gandalf Says: We do not Believe it is Evil.

Then the circle recommences.

Oh sigh...now this takes me back to my uni days.

Philosophy.

Absolutism vs Relativism.

Good times.

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Reply #168 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:26pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Agreed. The Crusades were geopolitics

Geopolitics - but with some healthy doses of religious invocation. So does that mean we can't therefore say it had "nuffin to do wiv christianity" - I suppose so, but its a silly point to labour on. If even just one of the thousands of people taking part made some vague reference to a christian justification - then we should say it had something to do with Christianity - minutely. But the only point we should be worried about is was it because of Christianity - and the answer is obviously no.

As you say, G, Religion is the domestic justification. Expansive wars are power grabs. They are always justified by religious or ideological mumbo-jumbo. Christianity, Empire, Civilization, Freeeeedom.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

So why take Muslims' religious claims seriously? WHy take any 'diversity' claims seriously? It's all always simple power grabs, as you assert.

You are a an idiot, PB.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #169 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:37pm

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Agreed. The Crusades were geopolitics

Geopolitics - but with some healthy doses of religious invocation. So does that mean we can't therefore say it had "nuffin to do wiv christianity" - I suppose so, but its a silly point to labour on. If even just one of the thousands of people taking part made some vague reference to a christian justification - then we should say it had something to do with Christianity - minutely. But the only point we should be worried about is was it because of Christianity - and the answer is obviously no.

As you say, G, Religion is the domestic justification. Expansive wars are power grabs. They are always justified by religious or ideological mumbo-jumbo. Christianity, Empire, Civilization, Freeeeedom.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

So why take Muslims' religious claims seriously? WHy take any 'diversity' claims seriously? It's all always simple power grabs, as you assert.

You are a an idiot, PB.

Thanks, dear boy. I must say, I admire the comparison between geopolitical expansion and pluralism.

University of Balogney, eh?

We can tell!

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Reply #170 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

You think it was good. I think it was bad. I think your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is not a circular argument Gandalf.

Alright then, lets put it to the test. Do you accept that muslims can (and do) sincerely believe that Muhammad's actions can be interpreted as the actions of a peaceful and tolerant man - and therefore can (and do) legitimately believe in a peaceful and tolerant Islam?

If you answer yes, I'll happily retract my accusation that you are engaging in circular logic.

Otherwise, its simply a case of your assumption (that it is not possible to honestly have a different interpretation of Islamic doctrine than your own) being the proof of your conclusion (that Islam is evil). That is circular logic. And its a fallacy because its only true if one accepts your assumption - which I obviously don't.

I don't think anyone can honestly assert that Mohammed was peaceful or tolerant.

There is simply no sufficient evidence to this effect outweighing the ample evidence for his murderousness and intolerance.

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Reply #171 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:43pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:37pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 12:15pm:

Religion is the domestic justification. Expansive wars are power grabs. They are always justified by religious or ideological mumbo-jumbo.

So why take Muslims' religious claims seriously? WHy take any 'diversity' claims seriously? It's all always simple power grabs, as you assert.

You are a an idiot, PB.

Thanks, dear boy. I must say, I admire the comparison between geopolitical expansion and pluralism.

University of Balogney, eh?

We can tell!

You are the one who conflated the two, you silly old plonker.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #172 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:50pm A conflation, eh? News to me, dear chap. Carry on. Carry on conflating.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #173 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 12:49am

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

What happened, Matty? Did you go early this time?

I think he might have been forced off lol.

Whilst here, can you explain 2 things for me please :

1. Why does the nic WhywhyHuh talk to himself ie he answers himself as though he is talking to another person?

2. Also, why does he keep referring to the nic Pho as Karnal?

Probably the same reason you keep posting that you have a pretend husband who used a nic on yahoo that hated you and two 18 year olds that have been 18 for 10 years now and an 11 month pregnancy. You are the funniest old greek woman ever to go online. Please make us all another post.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #174 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 7:26am Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:40pm: I don't think anyone can honestly assert that Mohammed was peaceful or tolerant. I know S - you think I'm a liar. We've covered this before. But at least there may be some hope for FD... InshaAllah
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 50566 At my desk.	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #175 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 12:12pm Am I using circular reasoning Gandalf?
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Reply #176 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 2:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 7:26am:

Soren wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 11:40pm:

I don't think anyone can honestly assert that Mohammed was peaceful or tolerant.

I know S - you think I'm a liar. We've covered this before.

Perhaps not a liar, just in a parallel moral universe where 'self-defence' (Islamic justification of violence) includes action against those who resist the call to Submission and are thereby excused and seen as not really violent but merely self-defencive.
If you look on every act of violence by Mohammed as 'self-defence' then you can say he was not violent. If you do not accept the kuffar's value system but operate in the Islamic moral world then you are not a liar.
But if one doesn't accept that Mohammed's every act of violence was in self-defence then he cannot be regarded as a peaceful and tolerant man.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #177 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 3:39pm Stupid or mendacious old boy? I’m curious.
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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #178 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 4:40pm What does it matter old boy ? I'm also curious.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #179 - Aug 8^th, 2015 at 4:58pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Aug 8^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

What does it matter old boy ?

I'm also curious.

Are you kidding? That's all that matters. It is essential we apply our judgement to these matters. Being judgemental is crucial.

Ask the old boy.

Now you stop being a jolly apologist and start getting cranky.

G is clearly a liar - he's a Muslim. The old boy has said so many times.

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