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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #150 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Karnal, care to wade in on this? Is this something that Why does often?

I feel like its somehow our responsabilty to prove that we are different people, but also know that Why is pretty much logic proof, and watching her playing in paranoia land is kinda entertaining.

I guess its just a bit unnerving talking with a true head case.

It's taken you THIS long to figure that out?

I havn't spent that much time on this site, up till meeting Why there had been many people who's opinions I disagreed with, but they all possessed the ability to communicate rationally.

Why is first genuine nutter Iv'e met here. she actually reminds of my mum when she's manic/bi polar.

Ahhh, then allow me to fill you in.

The nutter Whywhyhuh is in fact a male cyber troll.

He was previously known as Medulla on Yahoo7. There he made an absolute nuisance of himself by disrupting and hijacking EVERY topic he entered.

He was banned daily...sometimes even 3, 4 times a day. All his posts (100 a day plus) would be deleted upon being banned.

It was hilarious to watch after a while.

If he wasn't trolling or flaming topics, he was stalking someone for the day...cloning their nic. However, if he got bored with all that, he'd immerse his energies into hacking the message board itself. Incidentally, he's tried that stunt on Yahoo7 and on OzPol.

Anyway, the last we all heard about this full time unemployed loner and loser is that he was committed.

As you and everyone else can now see, he's been allowed out lmao.

Just a heads up....

Do not validate anything he posts by responding to him.

Do not believe anything the nutter says.

That is how we coped with this insane fool over on Yahoo.

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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #151 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:29pm Yeah you do what the mad old Greek Lady tells you Karnal you have been told. http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1429877606/315#315 Poor old setty every one was medulla to her. Yahoo even banned the word 'Lisa Jones' on the forum thats how bad she became.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #152 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Karnal, care to wade in on this? Is this something that Why does often?

I feel like its somehow our responsabilty to prove that we are different people, but also know that Why is pretty much logic proof, and watching her playing in paranoia land is kinda entertaining.

I guess its just a bit unnerving talking with a true head case.

It's taken you THIS long to figure that out?

I havn't spent that much time on this site, up till meeting Why there had been many people who's opinions I disagreed with, but they all possessed the ability to communicate rationally.

Why is first genuine nutter Iv'e met here. she actually reminds of my mum when she's manic/bi polar.

Ahhh, then allow me to fill you in.

The nutter Whywhyhuh is in fact a male cyber troll.

He was previously known as Medulla on Yahoo7. There he made an absolute nuisance of himself by disrupting and hijacking EVERY topic he entered.

He was banned daily...sometimes even 3, 4 times a day. All his posts (100 a day plus) would be deleted upon being banned.

It was hilarious to watch after a while.

If he wasn't trolling or flaming topics, he was stalking someone for the day...cloning their nic. However, if he got bored with all that, he'd immerse his energies into hacking the message board itself. Incidentally, he's tried that stunt on Yahoo7 and on OzPol.

Anyway, the last we all heard about this full time unemployed loner and loser is that he was committed.

As you and everyone else can now see, he's been allowed out lmao.

Just a heads up....

Do not validate anything he posts by responding to him.

Do not believe anything the nutter says.

That is how we coped with this insane fool over on Yahoo.

Thanks for the tips, cheers

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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: The most retarded circular argument Reply #153 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:34pm She goes off like a sealed can of spaghetti in a fireplace that one. Always has.
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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #154 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:35pm

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:06pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:51pm:

Pho Huc wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

Karnal, care to wade in on this? Is this something that Why does often?

I feel like its somehow our responsabilty to prove that we are different people, but also know that Why is pretty much logic proof, and watching her playing in paranoia land is kinda entertaining.

I guess its just a bit unnerving talking with a true head case.

It's taken you THIS long to figure that out?

I havn't spent that much time on this site, up till meeting Why there had been many people who's opinions I disagreed with, but they all possessed the ability to communicate rationally.

Why is first genuine nutter Iv'e met here. she actually reminds of my mum when she's manic/bi polar.

Ahhh, then allow me to fill you in.

The nutter Whywhyhuh is in fact a male cyber troll.

He was previously known as Medulla on Yahoo7. There he made an absolute nuisance of himself by disrupting and hijacking EVERY topic he entered.

He was banned daily...sometimes even 3, 4 times a day. All his posts (100 a day plus) would be deleted upon being banned.

It was hilarious to watch after a while.

If he wasn't trolling or flaming topics, he was stalking someone for the day...cloning their nic. However, if he got bored with all that, he'd immerse his energies into hacking the message board itself. Incidentally, he's tried that stunt on Yahoo7 and on OzPol.

Anyway, the last we all heard about this full time unemployed loner and loser is that he was committed.

As you and everyone else can now see, he's been allowed out lmao.

Just a heads up....

Do not validate anything he posts by responding to him.

Do not believe anything the nutter says.

That is how we coped with this insane fool over on Yahoo.

Thanks for the tips, cheers

You're more than welcome

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #155 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

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Why? Because any attempts to point out that most muslims have a different take on those words and deeeds to you will be dismissed and you will just come back to the same argument as you started with... over and over again- eg:

You think it was good. I think it was bad. I think your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is not a circular argument Gandalf.

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Debating religion from a rational point of view is by definition circular - its nothing unique to Islam. Ask any religious person why they "know" the tenets of their religion are true, and it will only ever come down to "because I believe it to be so". Its a matter of faith, not rationality.

That's why it only gets second prize in the most retarded competition Gandalf.

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I admit you perked my interest with this point S - because it got me thinking what does it actually mean by "nuffin to do wiv [insert religion/ideology]". To me its an extremely loaded term to use, and I'll point out I don't believe I've ever used it myself (as in "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam"). Or if I have, I'll probably take it back because its rather silly when you think about it. Of course it has something to do with Islam - and of course the crusades had something to do with Christianity, by simple virtue of the fact that in both instances the respective religions were invoked as justification.

It looks like the corollary of your "actions of the majority of Muslims" argument.

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But all thats rather meaningless. It misses the point I was talking about - and that is what Islam represents,

You have been arguing about what represents Islam - eg the actions of the majority of Muslims.

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It is simply an illogical argument to say that Islam is inherently violent because of how a minority behaves - while ignoring how the majority behave

It is inherently violent because Muhammed was a violent man and it forces even people like you to excuse and justify that violence.

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A majority of Germans voted for the nazis or the centrist parties that were in coalition with them. The nazis weren't exactly rejected by a "vast majority" of Germans were they?

The majority of Germans did not gas the Jews. The majority of Germans did not vote for gassing Jews. Does that mean gassing Jews has nothing to do with Nazism?

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As you say, G, Religion is the domestic justification. Expansive wars are power grabs. They are always justified by religious or ideological mumbo-jumbo. Christianity, Empire, Civilization, Freeeeedom.

You left out Caliphate Karnal. Was Islam the domestic justification for the Caliphate, or was the Caliphate the justification for Islam?

Anyways nutjobs out of the way, back on topic.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #156 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:10pm

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

You think it was good. I think it was bad. I think your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is not a circular argument Gandalf.

Alright then, lets put it to the test. Do you accept that muslims can (and do) sincerely believe that Muhammad's actions can be interpreted as the actions of a peaceful and tolerant man - and therefore can (and do) legitimately believe in a peaceful and tolerant Islam?

If you answer yes, I'll happily retract my accusation that you are engaging in circular logic.

Otherwise, its simply a case of your assumption (that it is not possible to honestly have a different interpretation of Islamic doctrine than your own) being the proof of your conclusion (that Islam is evil). That is circular logic. And its a fallacy because its only true if one accepts your assumption - which I obviously don't.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #158 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

You think it was good. I think it was bad. I think your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is not a circular argument Gandalf.

Alright then, lets put it to the test. Do you accept that muslims can (and do) sincerely believe that Muhammad's actions can be interpreted as the actions of a peaceful and tolerant man - and therefore can (and do) legitimately believe in a peaceful and tolerant Islam?

In that case they would be ignoring the quran living in ignorance and not muslims in the first place. So use of the word muslim according to islamic doctrine renders your proposition moot as you are not talking about muslims but rather heretics if you're lucky.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:10pm:

If you answer yes, I'll happily retract my accusation that you are engaging in circular logic.

Otherwise, its simply a case of your assumption (that it is not possible to honestly have a different interpretation of Islamic doctrine than your own) being the proof of your conclusion (that Islam is evil). That is circular logic. And its a fallacy because its only true if one accepts your assumption - which I obviously don't.

Islam is evil because it satisfies the criteria for being evil on a factual basis.

EVIL: - profoundly immoral and wicked. "his evil deeds"
synonyms: wicked, bad, wrong, morally wrong, wrongful, immoral, sinful, ungodly, unholy, foul, vile, base, ignoble, dishonourable, corrupt, iniquitous, depraved, degenerate, villainous, nefarious, sinister, vicious, malicious, malevolent, demonic, devilish, diabolic, diabolical, fiendish, dark, black-hearted;

So islam being evil is a FACT. The argument that your efforts to justify it reveals the evil of Islam. That is NOT a circular argument.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #159 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 3:37pm

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It is inherently violent because Muhammed was a violent man and it forces even people like you to excuse and justify that violence.

I am amazed at the amount of effort put into justifying this pedophillic, murdering piece of garbage. Not that I believe he actually existed there is absolutely no proof. The fact there are people on this earth that remotely excuse the story of the mohammed totally justifies any hardline stand against them and first not after the event of them copying their mentors violent commands and traits.

In order to believe in todays day and age that the character in the quran mohammed was the perfect example one would have to have a very sick mind and be totally ignorant.

I believe Gandalf would probably be a very nice man in real life but the islam he preaches doesn't exist according to the quranic doctrine which continually shoots him down and he continually fails miserably to defend .

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #161 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

What happened, Matty? Did you go early this time?

I think he might have been forced off lol.

Whilst here, can you explain 2 things for me please :

1. Why does the nic WhywhyHuh talk to himself ie he answers himself as though he is talking to another person?

2. Also, why does he keep referring to the nic Pho as Karnal?

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #162 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:26pm

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Alright then, lets put it to the test. Do you accept that muslims can (and do) sincerely believe that Muhammad's actions can be interpreted as the actions of a peaceful and tolerant man - and therefore can (and do) legitimately believe in a peaceful and tolerant Islam?

Of course. Muslims believe lots of strange things. I am particularly fond of the flying donkey story. If you recall, my first post in the Jew/Israel thread was an affirmation of your position on this.

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Otherwise, its simply a case of your assumption (that it is not possible to honestly have a different interpretation of Islamic doctrine than your own) being the proof of your conclusion (that Islam is evil). That is circular logic. And its a fallacy because its only true if one accepts your assumption - which I obviously don't.

I do not think people would knowingly adopt an evil spiritual doctrine.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #163 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

What happened, Matty? Did you go early this time?

I think he might have been forced off lol.

Whilst here, can you explain 2 things for me please :

1. Why does the nic WhywhyHuh talk to himself ie he answers himself as though he is talking to another person?

2. Also, why does he keep referring to the nic Pho as Karnal?

I’m not sure about 1, but Matty was pretending to get the names wrong to get us back for calling him Matty. He doesn’t like that name, because he retired Matty after he had a big hissy fit and demanded to be banned before crashing the board.

Looks like this time he just crashed the board temporarily and got his wish.

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Re: The most retarded circular argument
Reply #164 - Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:57pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm:

What happened, Matty? Did you go early this time?

I think he might have been forced off lol.

Whilst here, can you explain 2 things for me please :

1. Why does the nic WhywhyHuh talk to himself ie he answers himself as though he is talking to another person?

2. Also, why does he keep referring to the nic Pho as Karnal?

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He thinks that Karnal is talking to herself through her avatar(me) and somehow(crazy logic) if he talks to himself, it will force Karnal to drop her "ruse".

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