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Reply #30 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:09pm
 
Re Innocentbystander:

Obviously, you dont know too much about Greenhouse gas.  Because the whole talk about climate change is not only about carbon dioxide, it is also about the other harmful byproducts that was produced with the greenhouse gases which ultimately impacts on our environment. 

The latrobe valley in Victoria's East, have higher than average levels of lung and heart disease, including asthma and lung Ca.   The evidence is further reinforced by the Victorian's government's investigation into Hazelwood open mine fire.   You can read the report here:

http://report.hazelwoodinquiry.vic.gov.au/executive-summary-2/health-wellbeing

This is on a population scale.  In an individual scale, the disease burden falls not only on the individual, but its family and community as well.  Below is a research paper into mesothelioma - a form of lung cancer that is widely known as secondary to asbetoses, but another important risk factor is actually working in a coal power station.   Its an interesting read, not too long, but it talks about ripple effects devastating illnesses like this have on the community. 

http://www.rrh.org.au/articles/subviewaust.asp?ArticleID=1183

May be after that, you will laugh a bit less perhaps.   Wink
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #31 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:02pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 3:40pm:
Swagman wrote on Jul 19th, 2015 at 3:31pm:
The Co2 must be having a stop work meeting at the moment.... Grin


and has been since 1998.  CO2 had a meeting and decided to stop warming the planet.

The planet hasn't stopped warming.  To claim it has is just silly.

Surface temperatures continue to rise
The cryosphere continues to decline
Sea levels continue to rise.

To deny this is just silly.

BTW - when are you going to explain why you lied and claimed that NASA had said there was a "pause in global warming"

Why do you always run away when asked that question?
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #32 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:05pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:02pm:
The cryosphere continues to decline



Oh boo hoo  Cry
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #33 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:09pm
 
What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.
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Reply #34 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:16pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.




All fixed mate ...


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Reply #35 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:23pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

The world listed to the scientists and took action - The Montreal Protocol:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/model-shows-what-ozone-layer-would-loo...

Shame that the deniers in the employ of the fossil fuel companies stopped similar action occurring in a timely manner to address climate change
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #36 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:26pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:05pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:02pm:
The cryosphere continues to decline



Oh boo hoo  Cry

Yes.  Boo hoo indeed:

The cryosphere is an important part of our water cycle. Ice locks water out of the cycle for long periods of time - with large-scale melting, a vast amount of water can be released back into the water cycle in a relatively short amount of time….Melting ice also has implications for water supply, with many millions of people around the globe dependent on rivers fed by mountain glaciers. For example, in the Indus and Brahmaputra basins alone around 60 million people rely on glacial meltwater for their water supply.

With glaciers melting faster, the IPCC has suggested that in the short term summer river flow is likely to increase - but further into the future river flow is likely to decrease as the ice feeding rivers disappears.

http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2011/06/impacts-of-a-melting-cryosphere/
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #37 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:28pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:23pm:
Neferti wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 5:09pm:
What happened about the hole in the Ozone layer? That was a big issue in the 80s.

The world listed to the scientists and took action - The Montreal Protocol:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/model-shows-what-ozone-layer-would-loo...

Shame that the deniers in the employ of the fossil fuel companies stopped similar action occurring in a timely manner to address climate change



Too many wankers putting fossil fuels into their car and then calling others fossil fuel supporters is the real problem.
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Reply #38 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 6:37pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 20th, 2015 at 3:09pm:
Re Innocentbystander:

Obviously, you dont know too much about Greenhouse gas.  Because the whole talk about climate change is not only about carbon dioxide, it is also about the other harmful byproducts that was produced with the greenhouse gases which ultimately impacts on our environment. 

The latrobe valley in Victoria's East, have higher than average levels of lung and heart disease, including asthma and lung Ca.   The evidence is further reinforced by the Victorian's government's investigation into Hazelwood open mine fire.   You can read the report here:

http://report.hazelwoodinquiry.vic.gov.au/executive-summary-2/health-wellbeing

This is on a population scale.  In an individual scale, the disease burden falls not only on the individual, but its family and community as well.  Below is a research paper into mesothelioma - a form of lung cancer that is widely known as secondary to asbetoses, but another important risk factor is actually working in a coal power station.   Its an interesting read, not too long, but it talks about ripple effects devastating illnesses like this have on the community. 

http://www.rrh.org.au/articles/subviewaust.asp?ArticleID=1183

May be after that, you will laugh a bit less perhaps.   Wink 


well you don't have to worry about all of that... because according to you... we are running out of fossil fuels...
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Re: Melbourne - coldest morning in 18 years
Reply #39 - Jul 20th, 2015 at 6:42pm
 
Ice age causes problems already:


Airports badly affected by ice on planes.

20th July 2015

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Melburnians are shivering through another freezing morning, with temperatures below zero in many of the outlying suburbs.

The CBD struggled to get above 2 degrees and it was much the same across Melbourne.

"It's the second morning in a row below 2, yesterday it was the coldest morning to 18 years getting to 0.6," BoM forecaster Scott Williams said.

"Certainly it's been a very cold few days."

Hundreds of Qantas and Jetstar passengers were affected by the morning frost,as temperatures sank to -0.6 degrees at 6.30am.

Nine Qantas flights and nine Jetstar flights were delayed after ice formed on the wings of the planes.

A problem with the Qantas de-icing truck forced the airline to wait for the sun to melt the ice.


Flights began to clear at 8.40am, but delays continued until about 11.30am.

A Qantas spokeswoman said the truck would be fixed before Tuesday morning's flights.




http://www.3aw.com.au/news/melbournes-cold-start-grounds-flights-20150719-gify8q...



This was predicted.
And so it is.
The truth & the facts.
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Reply #40 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 1:09pm
 
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well you don't have to worry about all of that... because according to you... we are running out of fossil fuels...


I sometimes wonder if you just ask questions out of jest or are you really prepared to learn.  Because, the same statement and question just get repeated again and again. 

Fossil fuel and coal are slightly different.  Coal can be part of fossil fuel.  Fossil fuels are formed by decomposition of animal and plants.  Coal are decomposition of plants material.  (or something along this line).    Petrolium companies have estimated that there could be as much as 145 years of coal reserves left.   While with petrolium, it is believed that we may be reached, or about to reach the concept of peak oil.  And that global production will start to decrease no matter what.  It is evidenced by usage of fracking in extracting oil, something that people did not have to do back in the post war 50s.   

So, it gets to two points.
1.  Current model showed that continued release of stored carbon, would probably result in change in climate before the depletion point.   --> Noted, when we talk about depletion, we dont talk about a total depletion, because thats impossible.  Rather, its a point where efforts of extraction of said material is too great comparing to the amount extracted.     So, action needed to be taken now, especially, the extraction of carbon not only contributes to total greenhouse in the atmosphere, causing change of weather patterns ---> decrease food security.  The act of extraction also causes direct destruction to produtive lands.   This is a double edged sword, considering the world population will continue to increase and consume more. 

2.  We know this is a finite resource.  And that if we look 1000, or 2000 years ahead, for the survival of humanity, we must change to clean renewable energy.      Our ancestors had made sacrifices, and changed their way of live so that they can survive and pass their genes on us.  We should also do the same for our future generations.   Do not be a weak link.
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Reply #42 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:26pm:


Even the deniers cartoons are lies. It implies there was no clothing and civilization before fossil fuels.

Technology is changing to divert goods away from fossil fuel sources. In any case not all clothing is made from fossil fuel products.

Try finding denier cartoons that are not based on lies.
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Reply #43 - Jul 21st, 2015 at 8:11pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:50pm:
It implies there was no clothing and civilization before fossil fuels


Which is correct.

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:50pm:
Technology is changing to divert goods away from fossil fuel sources


Yes nuclear power would be a good idea.

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:50pm:
In any case not all clothing is made from fossil fuel products


True.  But there would be fossil fuel somewhere in the manufacture & sale processes.......

Unforgiven wrote on Jul 21st, 2015 at 6:50pm:
Try finding denier cartoons that are not based on lies


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