Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:


Our worst mass murderer in NSW Roger Dean used a fire to kill a record number of people in NSW.

The hoplophbes don't care about mass murder if the offender doesn't use a gun.

You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control.

Sorry fell asleep when I saw the seal of the virtual presidency bullshit.

Panther

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I agree

Panther wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 9:48am:



The truth that humans are essentially cowardly idiots.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:


The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us.  

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 11:09am:

Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 1:12pm:


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?

.......Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades......

Panther wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:




All developed countries have had a decrease in violent crime over the last 20 years.
Once a country is developed it generally expends effort to reduce violent crime.

While US crime has dropped in the last twenty years it is still similar to the levels of the 1960's. There was a large spike in violent crime the US between 1965 and 2000.

In most developed countries the murder rate has halved or more during this period. 

America is not unique in being multicultural. In fact the US is middle range as far as cultural diversity in a global sense.  Even in the developed world it only just cracks top twenty.

I accept that the debate is more complex than Guns=Bad and No guns=good , But I think that rejecting that the volume of weapons involved and lax to non-existent regulation pertaining to such weapons as being irrelevant to the high gun crime statistics in the US is blinkered at best and selfishly irresponsible at worst.

I always find it rather amusing how people make excuses for US society.  "If it wasn't for the Blacks/Hispanics/etc., US society would be so peaceful..."  "If it wasn't for the Democrats/Republicans, US society would be so peaceful..."  "All the other weapons/fists/knives/etc. aren't ignored when discussing gun violence, the gun deaths are insignificant according to the Baron..."   

Panther wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:



And we hit the crux of the issue. Basically anti-government nice people don't want their guns taken away.

Panther wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:


Some may, many don't, DreamRyderX.   

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 8^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

Your many (that don't) happens to be the distinct minority, as opposed to those who do, happens to maintain the overwhelming majority.

It also helps when the government is helplessly constrained by the Constitution, & the law is basically controlled by the people, who have the last say on amending the Constitution.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 3:44pm:



You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control.

Thats the problem, right there, DreamRyderX.  No compromise, no willingness to even discuss the issues surrounding gun control and no understanding of the necessary requirements of modern society.   

5. What effect do you think a federal ban on sale and manufacture of semi auto firearms would have on reducing violent crime?
None= 71%

6.Do you think a federal ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds would reduce violent crime
No= 95.7%

11. Do you support the concept of a national database tracking all legal gun sales
no= 70%

13.Do you believe that use of a firearm while perpetrating a crime should result in stiff mandatory sentences with no plea bargains
Yes = 91.4%

16. Do you believe gun buyback or turn in programs can be or have been effective in reducing the level of gun violence
No= 81.5%

19.Do you support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and or not been deemed medically incapable
Yes,without further restrictions= 91.3%

22.Considering the particulars of recent tragedies like Newtown and Aurora, what level of impact do you think legally armed citizens could have made?Choose the statement you feel is most accurate
80% said casualties would likely have been reduced

23. Do you support arming teacher and or school administrators who volunteer to carry at their school?
Yes 76.6%, if they are trained and qualified

28.What do you believe is the biggest cause of gun violence in the USA?
Decline in parenting and family values =38%

police-praetorian.netdna-ssl.com/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf

As an aside,
Until recently in Victoria guns over a certain caliber were exempt from classification so you needed a license for an air rifle, but a 75mm howitzer had no licensing requirements whatsoever.

Pho Huc wrote on Sep 17^th, 2015 at 2:43pm:


I call bullshit on this.

Airsoft is no more powerful than an air rifle yet they are banned.

You should check out the prohibited weapons list in Victoria, even slingshots are banned.

After hearing a friend’s story of a home intrusion he thwarted only 2 miles from my home last week, I happened to run in to a town officer at Kwik Trip. I asked him, “Hey, what do you think the furthest distance you are ever from any given residence if we had to call 9-1-1? Like what’s the longest response time you think you’d have in this area?” In small towns like mine, spread over a large rural area, we only have the means to have two on-duty officers and they’re most often ‘on loan’ from their various precincts and counties in the area.

“Oh I don’t know,” he said, “I guess if we’re on the other side of town or patrolling the highway, it could be up to 20 min for the homes on the outskirts of our jurisdiction. Maybe more if the roads are bad in winter, you know.”

Maybe 20 minutes isn’t too long to wait for a non-emergency call, but could you wait over an hour if there was an intruder actively breaking into your home?

Last week, a story emerged from Dayton, Ohio where dispatchers confirmed a woman was forced to call into dispatch two times over a span of over sixty minutes. The first call came in approximately 3:00 am on the morning of September 10, 2015 when she was awakened by a stranger banging at her door.

The call transcript reads:

    Caller: Someone is trying to break into my house!
    Dispatcher: Can you see someone or hear someone, what’s going on?
    Caller: Someone is banging on the door.

While the emergency dispatcher does ask additional questions, they eventually end the call with the woman, saying “Keep an eye out for the officer and call us back if you hear anything else.”

Unbelievably, more than an hour passed in which time the intruder continued to relentlessly attempt to break into the woman’s home. When she ultimately discovered 22-year-old DeBrandon Dickerson, of Detroit, actively trying to get inside an upstairs window of her home, she was forced to take matters into her own hands and shot the would-be assailant.

The second call transcript reads:

    Caller: Someone broke into my home, I shot one!
    Dispatcher: Someone broke into your house and you shot them?
    Caller: Yes.

This time, the dispatcher remained on the line until help arrived. A third emergency call came into dispatch regarding the break in, this time from a relative of Dickerson who found him with a gunshot would to his chest. Dayton Police say at the time of the shooting, there were seven officers and one sergeant on duty, however all were working other calls.

So next time gun grabbers try to tell you how ‘paranoid’ or ‘insecure’ you are for owning or carrying guns and relying on yourself for your own protection, here’s yet another story you can share with time to prove that we all need to own our self defense. Remember, when seconds count, your local police could be minutes if not an hour away.

We’ve all heard it. The anti-gun speech condemning guns, pleading to ‘stop the killing’, insisting we come together to do ‘Whatever It Takes’ to save just one more life. We’ve all made our counterpoints: That someone could just as easily (if not more easily) grab a knife and stab their victim or strangle them to death with their own hands. We’ve had this back and forth many times.

So what’s going to break this impasse?

This morning, the Las Vegas Sun published this Letter to the Editor:


The Letter..... http://imgur.com/G2tYzwd.jpg

I read through it with the usual “blah blah blah” running through my head, lots of eye rolling, maybe a few tongue clicks. But then I saw something. Did you catch it? The very last sentence. It’s all right there. The author says, “Please stop the killing.”

Great. Yes. Please stop the killing. Who is she asking to stop the killing, the more than 100 million legal gun owners in America who own guns for self defense or shooting sports? Or is it the criminals who are actively searching out guns illegally to commit their crimes?

Let’s identify the problem before we label we try to confront it, shall we?

Guns are not the problem, stop pretending that an inanimate object can be responsible for anything. The person committing the crime, whether they are raping, drunk driving, stabbing, drowning, shooting, attacking, strangling, beheading, or jaywalking is to blame.

    I’ve never seen a gun on trial for murder, have you?

Responsibility falls on our shoulders and this argument will always fall at our feet. As gun owners, let’s keep reminding people just exactly who their real enemy is and continue to defend our Second Amendment rights with respect and facts.

In an analysis of FBI and other federal government data, the non-profit Violence Policy Center said Americans are far more likely to hurt themselves or others when handling a lethal weapon.

In 2012, it said, only 259 “justifiable homicides” involving a private citizen were reported, compared to 8,342 criminal homicides committed with a gun.

Oh, and match those 259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.

Data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) indicate that 311 children age 14 and under were killed in unintentional shootings between 2007 and 2011 — an average of 62 per year.11 And an estimated 660 children are hospitalized each year with non-fatal, unintentional firearm injuries.

Public health research and investigative reporting suggest that the actual total of unintentional child firearm deaths is even higher

Two-thirds of incidents involved legally owned guns, whereas 16 percent of incidents involved unlawfully owned guns. (In another 17 percent of cases, the legality of gun ownership could not be confirmed.)

An investigation carried out by the New York Times last year found significantly more accidental killings involving children (age 14 and younger) than had been reported in eight states. That investigation showed that medical examiners could issue wildly inconsistent rulings, even deeming accidental self-inflicted shootings to be homicides.

“I try to tell people when they look at the accidental data, particularly for children, you have to recognize it’s an underestimate,” Bob Anderson, head of the mortality statistics branch at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told the Times.

False arguments that don't apply in America.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 21^st, 2015 at 5:02pm:

1.  Yes, you've hit the nail on the head (you prolly didn't know it ). You personally don't buy more than one(1) hockey stick, but that's your prerogative ... your decision ... your free will .... a decision you have the right to personally exercise. No government looking over your shoulder, ready to decide if you can or can't.

I just won't buy another hockey stick today, this month, whenever...................

Now, substitute the desires of someone that would like to buy more than one hockey stick...maybe two...maybe three.

Why would they want to?

Simple, because they can, because the simply want to, & they shouldn't have to answer to anyone if they do ..... as long as we're not, in your words, "....not saying anything about criminal behavior...."

Now, simply substitute 'GUNS'  in place of  'HOCKEY STICKS', one item for another.


That's how it works  (supposed to work)  in America, & that's where & what we're talking about here.



2. "Why register anything?" ..... Exactly, why......it serves no practical purpose....it hasn't been proven to reduce or prevent violent crime (if you disagree please provide us links to your studies & documentation), & that is what we need to be talking about here .... proof that registration 'actually' reduces & prevents violent crime. Not, might reduce & prevent violent crime, or may reduce & prevent violent crime, but proof that registration 'actually' reduces & prevents violent crime.   

I say registration doesn't, it only gives government, & anyone who gets his hands on the info, a way to steal &/or illegally confiscate (to be crystal clear ... were talking about the USA here) firearms owned by law abiding citizens.

Registration serves no other beneficial purpose to the general public. 

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Panther wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 11:26am:




1. I did know a guy like that who bought lots of hockey sticks. He was essentially a anti-social, friendless, no life sort of guy.

2. OK, no car rego done.

Panther wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 11:42am:



Well I imagine those who require more than 12 handguns a year to be fairly similar.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 9:49pm:


What do you use Bri as your personal fetish object?   http://imgur.com/oGEZbLZ.gif   http://imgur.com/lyn87Io.gif

All kidding aside, Americans actually have what most other countries can only wish they had, Americans have the inalienable Right to protect themselves with a gun, or two, if they wish, if & when the needs ever present themselves.

What do you have? Seriously, what can you use to protect your most precious possession, your own life???

Quick now, think fast, every second counts.........the wolf is at your front door.........what do you have?

People in most countries don't have the right to choose what they can use to protect themselves.

Why?

Their governments won't trust them enough to make one of the most important decisions their life depends on........how to protect that life of theirs.   

Americans have the Second Amendment to their Constitution. That Amendment guarantees that government can't infringe upon their right to use a firearm to protect & defend their lives if they need to.

The NRA is America's front line to protect the Second Amendment for all Americans, & their right to keep & bear firearms, from a government hell bent on illegally taking that right away.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 22^nd, 2015 at 9:49pm:

I'm in Australia. Because of the fascist dictatorship I live in I only have limited options to defend myself. Oh I wish I got to live in a nice safe country like the US- Where i'm only twice as likely to be murdered, and ten times more likely to be shot.

Your so lucky panther.  Your guns makes your country so much safer.