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Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8 th, 2015 at 7:02pm: Panther wrote on Sep 8 th, 2015 at 6:18pm: Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8 th, 2015 at 4:23pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8 th, 2015 at 1:12pm: Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8 th, 2015 at 1:02pm: If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime? The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA. The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides. I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is. If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world. Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime? When you attempt to compare homicide rates & violent crime rates, country to country to country, you are faced with many unique, incomparable variables.
Some countries are quite pure culturally & ethnically, some are somewhat diverse, & there are some that are completely multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural.
Country to country there are many other variables that make realistic comparison quite problematic, like the level of freedom, the legal systems, & how regulated (or strict) the government is.
America is by far & wide the most diverse melting pot in the world. Truly the home of some of the very best of mind & spirit, along with an ample number of the most questionable the world has to offer.
As such worldwide they arguably have a truly unique culture, making any meaningful -- apples to apples -- en masse, country to country comparison fraught with inconsistency -- an exercise in futility.
That said, Baron has quite correctly & accurately pointed out, that even though gun ownership is at an all time high, violent crime & firearm homicide have declined dramatically in the past 20 or so years.
Source: The Pew Research Center (link) Quote:.......Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades......
The firearm homicide rates, as well as homicides by all means, have continued to recede to date, even though gun ownership has increased dramatically (all time highs). Other violent crime has dropped, & continues to drop similarly.
All developed countries have had a decrease in violent crime over the last 20 years. Once a country is developed it generally expends effort to reduce violent crime. While US crime has dropped in the last twenty years it is still similar to the levels of the 1960's. There was a large spike in violent crime the US between 1965 and 2000. In most developed countries the murder rate has halved or more during this period. America is not unique in being multicultural. In fact the US is middle range as far as cultural diversity in a global sense. Even in the developed world it only just cracks top twenty. I accept that the debate is more complex than Guns=Bad and No guns=good , But I think that rejecting that the volume of weapons involved and lax to non-existent regulation pertaining to such weapons as being irrelevant to the high gun crime statistics in the US is blinkered at best and selfishly irresponsible at worst. I think when you consider all the variables, you must consider that the US Government is severely restricted in what it is permitted to do, purposefully by the Founding Fathers via the US Constitution (the Law of the Land), which is essentially controlled by the people.
If they wanted to change the way government can control the aspects of Gun Control, the Second Amendment, all they would need to do is pass a Constitutional Amendment as prescribed in the Constitution itself.
That's been done a number of times in the past.
Yet, there is a 'slim to no' possibility of that happening.
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