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Re: God Bless the NRA!
Reply #15 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 10:55am
 
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 10:53am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 10:34am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:48am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:35am:
Sorry fell asleep when I saw the seal of the virtual presidency bullshit.


You've been asleep for far longer than that Blowjack!

Time to wake up & smell the refreshing winds of reality, a reality which contrary to most of your ilk, existed way before the first firearm was ever forged, or the first government was ever instituted.  Wink


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The truth that humans are essentially cowardly idiots.


Cowardly Idiots you say (convincingly, yourself included), but human beings nevertheless, bestowed with the Inalienable Right of Self-Defense  --  the Right to protect their own lives & the lives of those they hold dear, that no government can repudiate. Wink






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Re: Cheers NRA,
Reply #16 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am
 
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


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Re: God Bless the NRA
Reply #17 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:46am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


He also said that it's estimated that firearms are used to prevent between 800 thousand & 2 million violent crimes every year.....
800 thousand to 2 Million
  violent crimes prevented
....every year!

He noted that even the lowest estimate of 800 thousand violent crimes prevented is upwards of 100 times the amount of deaths attributed to firearms of all types.

He is saying, rightfully so, that Firearms, as a means of Self-Defense, easily outweighs their negative impact 100 fold, & then some!   Wink





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Re: Cheers NRA,
Reply #18 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:51am
 
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:46am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


He also said that it's estimated that firearms are used to prevent between 800 thousand & 2 million violent crimes every year.....
800 thousand to 2 Million violent crimes prevented
....every year!

He noted that even the lowest estimate of 800 thousand violent crimes prevented is upwards of 100 times the amount of deaths attributed to firearms of all types.

He is saying, rightfully so, that Firearms, as a means of Self-Defense, easily outweighs their negative impact 100 fold, & then some!   Wink








Estimated? Did he provide a reference?
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Re: God Bless the NRA
Reply #19 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:03pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:51am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:46am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


He also said that it's estimated that firearms are used to prevent between 800 thousand & 2 million violent crimes every year.....
800 thousand to 2 Million violent crimes prevented
....every year!

He noted that even the lowest estimate of 800 thousand violent crimes prevented is upwards of 100 times the amount of deaths attributed to firearms of all types.

He is saying, rightfully so, that Firearms, as a means of Self-Defense, easily outweighs their negative impact 100 fold, & then some!   Wink








Estimated? Did he provide a reference?


It's old news really, produced repeatedly over the past 20 years or so. It's even been documented in this forum, on various threads before by yours truly.....the sources being from the US Department of Justice for one, & other assorted well documented studies by respected investigatory personnel & sources.

Your own eyes & Google can be your best friends in this regard, I suggest you use them.

If you need to be led by the hand like a chile I might be willing to start you off in the right direction, but honestly I have enough faith in you being able to undertake such an elementary task. ...



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Re: Cheers NRA,
Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:03pm
 
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:46am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


He also said that it's estimated that firearms are used to prevent between 800 thousand & 2 million violent crimes every year.....
800 thousand to 2 Million
  violent crimes prevented
....every year!

He noted that even the lowest estimate of 800 thousand violent crimes prevented is upwards of 100 times the amount of deaths attributed to firearms of all types.

He is saying, rightfully so, that Firearms, as a means of Self-Defense, easily outweighs their negative impact 100 fold, & then some!   Wink




The hoplophobes don't care about the rapes,murders etc prevented by someone with a gun who doesn't even fire a shot it does not fit their gun grabbing agenda.
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Re: God Bless the NRA
Reply #21 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:12pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 12:03pm:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:46am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 9:28am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
You will find they have a lot of support for their constitution.

Best video on USA gun control. Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin




The BEST video on Gun Control....Period.....Full Stop!

Well said Baron....well said indeed!!!!

The logic & facts provided in this video are irrefutable  --  uncontrovertible. That's why there hasn't been any response to your posting of it by those opposite. It took all the blustering wind out of their now tattered sails!

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution does not give the American People any right whatsoever, it is only a reaffirmation of the Human Right to Self-Defense which predates the Constitution itself, bestowed upon all mankind by a Being infinitely more powerful than any mere government of men, the Inalienable Right for every human being to protect His most precious gift, the gift of our own lives, & the lives of those most dear to us. Wink 





He pointed out there are around 300 firearm homicides every year with rifles which include the scary black semi auto assault rifles.

About 700 people are killed every year with fists and feet, about 1500 people killed with sharp objects.

The hoplophobes show how irrational their fears are by whinging about assault rifles when they are in the lowest category of firearm used for homicides.


He also said that it's estimated that firearms are used to prevent between 800 thousand & 2 million violent crimes every year.....
800 thousand to 2 Million
  violent crimes prevented
....every year!

He noted that even the lowest estimate of 800 thousand violent crimes prevented is upwards of 100 times the amount of deaths attributed to firearms of all types.

He is saying, rightfully so, that Firearms, as a means of Self-Defense, easily outweighs their negative impact 100 fold, & then some!   Wink




The hoplophobes don't care about the rapes,murders etc prevented by someone with a gun who doesn't even fire a shot it does not fit their gun grabbing agenda.


They choose the ignore the positive - any positive, & accentuate the negative - any negative, to achieve their blinded gun-grabbing objectives.   ...

The truth ...... they can't handle the truth!




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Reply #22 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm
 
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?
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Reply #23 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.
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Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?
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Reply #25 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 4:23pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?


Quote:
In 2008,the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100K) was 7 times higher than the rate for white offenders (3.4 offenders per 100K)

The offending rate for blacks peaked in the early 1990's at 51.1 offenders per 100K

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www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


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There was a 5.3% decrease in the number of homicide victims in Australia,from 454 in 2012 to a four year low of 430 in 2013 in Australia.

The homicide victimisation rate decreased to a four year low of 1.9 victims per 100K in 2013.

www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4510.0main+features82013



White man was 3.4 per 100K in the USA when we were around 2.0 per 100K

How much higher is the homicide rate in the USA with all those scary black semi and full autos owned by white man?

Fists and feet kill twice as many as rifles In the USA which includes semi and full auto assault rifles, how many one punch murders did it take us to lock people out of clubs at night?
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Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:18pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 4:23pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?


When you attempt to compare homicide rates & violent crime rates, country to country to country, you are faced with many unique, incomparable variables.

Some countries are quite pure culturally & ethnically, some are somewhat diverse, & there are some that are completely multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural.

Country to country there are many other variables that make realistic comparison quite problematic, like the level of freedom, the legal systems, & how regulated (or strict) the government is.

America is by far & wide the most diverse melting pot in the world. Truly the home of some of the very best of mind & spirit, along with an ample number of the most questionable the world has to offer.

As such worldwide they arguably have a truly unique  culture, making any meaningful -- apples to apples --  en masse, country to country comparison fraught with inconsistency   --  an exercise in futility.

That said, Baron has quite correctly & accurately pointed out, that even though gun ownership is at an all time high, violent crime & firearm homicide have declined dramatically in the past 20 or so years.


Source:   The Pew Research Center (link) Quote:
.......Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades......



The firearm homicide rates, as well as homicides by all means, have continued to recede to date, even though gun ownership has increased dramatically (all time highs). Other violent crime has dropped, & continues to drop similarly.  Smiley


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Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 4:23pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?


When you attempt to compare homicide rates & violent crime rates, country to country to country, you are faced with many unique, incomparable variables.

Some countries are quite pure culturally, some are somewhat diverse, & there are some that are completely multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural.

Country to country there are many other variables that make realistic comparison quite problematic. 

America is by far & wide the most diverse melting pot in the world. Truly the home of some of the very best of mind & spirit, along with an ample number of the most questionable the world has to offer.

As such worldwide they arguably have a truly unique  culture, making any true -- apples to apples --  meaningful en masse, country to country comparison fraught with inconsistency   --  an exercise in futility.

That said, Baron has quite correctly & accurately pointed out, that even though gun ownership is at an all time high, violent crime & firearm homicide have declined dramatically in the past 20 or so years.


Source:   The Pew Research Center (link) Quote:
.......Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades......



The firearm homicide rates, as well as homicides by all means, have continued to recede to date, even though gun ownership has increased dramatically (all time highs). Other violent crime has dropped, & continues to drop similarly.  Smiley






All developed countries have had a decrease in violent crime over the last 20 years.
Once a country is developed it generally expends effort to reduce violent crime.

While US crime has dropped in the last twenty years it is still similar to the levels of the 1960's. There was a large spike in violent crime the US between 1965 and 2000.

In most developed countries the murder rate has halved or more during this period. 

America is not unique in being multicultural. In fact the US is middle range as far as cultural diversity in a global sense.  Even in the developed world it only just cracks top twenty.

I accept that the debate is more complex than Guns=Bad and No guns=good , But I think that rejecting that the volume of weapons involved and lax to non-existent regulation pertaining to such weapons as being irrelevant to the high gun crime statistics in the US is blinkered at best and selfishly irresponsible at worst.
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Reply #28 - Sep 8th, 2015 at 7:22pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 7:02pm:
Panther wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 6:18pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 4:23pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:12pm:
Pho Huc wrote on Sep 8th, 2015 at 1:02pm:
If guns prevent crime can someone please explain to me why the country with the highest rate of gun ownership also has the highest(Developed world) rate of murder and gun crime?


The firearm homicide rate has dropped over 49% in the last 20 years in the USA,all gun crimes have dropped in the last 20 years in the USA.

The black homicide rate is 6-7 times higher than the white homicide rate,blacks are only 13% of the population and account for 52% of all firearm homicides.

I have lived and worked in the USA, it's not as bad as the hoplophobes claim it is.


If you halve America's murder rate(to account for those pesky blacks) it is still the highest rate in the developed world.
Tell me again how this demonstrates that guns reduce crime?



When you attempt to compare homicide rates & violent crime rates, country to country to country, you are faced with many unique, incomparable variables.

Some countries are quite pure culturally & ethnically, some are somewhat diverse, & there are some that are completely multi-racial, multi-ethnic, multi-cultural.

Country to country there are many other variables that make realistic comparison quite problematic, like the level of freedom, the legal systems, & how regulated (or strict) the government is.

America is by far & wide the most diverse melting pot in the world. Truly the home of some of the very best of mind & spirit, along with an ample number of the most questionable the world has to offer.

As such worldwide they arguably have a truly unique  culture, making any meaningful -- apples to apples --  en masse, country to country comparison fraught with inconsistency   --  an exercise in futility.

That said, Baron has quite correctly & accurately pointed out, that even though gun ownership is at an all time high, violent crime & firearm homicide have declined dramatically in the past 20 or so years.


Source:   The Pew Research Center (link) Quote:
.......Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades......



The firearm homicide rates, as well as homicides by all means, have continued to recede to date, even though gun ownership has increased dramatically (all time highs). Other violent crime has dropped, & continues to drop similarly.  Smiley






All developed countries have had a decrease in violent crime over the last 20 years.
Once a country is developed it generally expends effort to reduce violent crime.

While US crime has dropped in the last twenty years it is still similar to the levels of the 1960's. There was a large spike in violent crime the US between 1965 and 2000.

In most developed countries the murder rate has halved or more during this period. 

America is not unique in being multicultural. In fact the US is middle range as far as cultural diversity in a global sense.  Even in the developed world it only just cracks top twenty.

I accept that the debate is more complex than Guns=Bad and No guns=good , But I think that rejecting that the volume of weapons involved and lax to non-existent regulation pertaining to such weapons as being irrelevant to the high gun crime statistics in the US is blinkered at best and selfishly irresponsible at worst.


I think when you consider all the variables, you must consider that the US Government is severely restricted in what it is permitted to do, purposefully by the Founding Fathers via the US Constitution (the Law of the Land), which is essentially controlled by the people.

If they wanted to change the way government can control the aspects of Gun Control, the Second Amendment, all they would need to do is pass a Constitutional Amendment as prescribed in the Constitution itself.

That's been done a number of times in the past.

Yet, there is a 'slim to no' possibility of that happening.
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I always find it rather amusing how people make excuses for US society.  "If it wasn't for the Blacks/Hispanics/etc., US society would be so peaceful..."  "If it wasn't for the Democrats/Republicans, US society would be so peaceful..."  "All the other weapons/fists/knives/etc. aren't ignored when discussing gun violence, the gun deaths are insignificant according to the Baron..."    Roll Eyes
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