Lots of people claim Deer hunting is cruel, I guess this Deer didn't end up as the Bear's dinner from voluntary euthanasia


Shooting results in the quickest death-


Deer hunters usually harvest the meat and skins, a friend of mine got his first deer recently he said the hardest part was carrying 400m back to the ute.
Here is a video on butchering a deer,Venison is $28 kg in my local coles.


Deer are an introduced feral pest in Australia-
www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DEE001_ground-shooting-deer.pdf

Is it wrong to hunt deer if you are taking it home to eat and put in the freezer when they are an introduced pest in Australia?

Does it take a certain amount of courage to use 800 years of technology against a defenseless animal?

Just curious.

MumboJumbo wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:



Except that people working in abattoirs don't carry a six pack of beer with them, and they don't high-five each other when they kill an animal (or masturbate over the carcass).

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greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:24pm:


Firearm users have had a legislated zero blood alcohol limit since 1996, of course hoplophobes like peccahead use lies and fear to demonise law abiding firearm owners.

The hoplophobe Rolande Browne from Gun Control Australia wants to increase the blood alcohol limit for shooters to 0.05 from the current zero blood alcohol.
Cheers Rolande.
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There you have it,shooters groups even oppose the hoplophobes suggestion blood alcohol limits for shooters should be increased from zero blood alcohol to 0.05%

Do you really think hunters like Christie Pisani masturbate over a carcass,what a profound level of ignorance you have.
gympietimes.com.au/news/pisani-right-in-the-hunt/2511456

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:



How many convictions for use of firearms while intoxicated have there been>?

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 3:41pm:


You should ask the Police for numbers,at the recent senate inquiry the Police said licensed firearm owners are not a problem.

If a person with a firearms licence gets a good behaviour bond for anything they lose their firearms licence and guns are confiscated.

Having just one sip from a beercan is enough to have your guns confiscated and firearms licence revoked.

The hoplophobes like to tell lies in claiming shooters drink alcohol while shooting, they like to demonise all law abiding firearm owners.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 4:11pm:


Shooters don't carry a six pack of beer when hunting you are a liar and profoundly ignorant.

If a shooter is alone who does he high five to?

Shooters don't masturbate over a carcass.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

And if you don't get caught?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 7:25pm:



What's the penalty if you don't get caught?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 7:38pm:



I don't know anyone who risks getting caught killing people.

In that case, using your ... well ... let's call it 'logic', murders don't happen.

To recap: people working in abattoirs don't carry a six pack of beer with them, and they don't high-five each other when they kill an animal (or masturbate over the carcass).

Time for the gun-nut lobby to send a new spokesperson - this one is failing miserably.

Rider wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 9:35pm:



I present facts, and you respond with threats of violence.

Interesting.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:


To recap,peccahead is a worthless troll who contributes nothing to the topic.

Peccahead sticks up for these slaughtermen who show us humane ways to kill Australian animals unlike hunters who take pride with instant single shot kills.
tarekfatah.com/warning-graphic-violence-muslims-slaughter-Australian-cattle-to-c...

MumboJumbo wrote on Jul 9^th, 2015 at 8:21pm:



Except that people working in abattoirs don't carry a six pack of beer with them, and they don't high-five each other when they kill an animal (or masturbate over the carcass i.e. take happy smiling photos with the dead animal).

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 7:25pm:



Good.

What's the penalty if you don't get caught?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 12:12pm:


Simplistic economics, Baron.  By placing an economic value on the subject you place an incentive on their continued existence and breeding, for hunting from which the State makes money.

If you were really interested in their elimination you would fund biological research to find a Myxomatosis like biological control agent.  Yet you don't.  You prefer to show how manly and tough you by paying for a license to hunt the fell beast.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 1:19pm:


If you want to talk economics do some research on what these feral pests are costing us from agriculture to city folk doing studies along with wages of people who manage these pests,you could add figures for pre 1996 gun laws to today to see how much more we are paying.

If biological agents like Myxomatsis worked why do we still have rabbits in plague proportions in country areas,it results in a slow cruel death compared to shooting.
The rabbit proof fence was supposed to keep rabbits out,what did that cost to fence off the country?
We have millions of rabbits yet cannot even supply Akubra hats with rabbit skins so they import them from Russia.

I have a friend with a property near Dalgety,the snow has brought the deer down to lower altitutdes,he wants me to shoot some deer.
He has been given a Deer Control Order under the Deer act 2006 sect 8.
8 (4) Says I don't need a game licence if subject to a deer control order.
Interesting how deer are the only species where 1080 cannot be used to poison them,they should ban 1080.
http://austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/da200649/s8.html
I see this as helping a friend out.

The RSPCA say shooting is the most humane method for dealing with deer,are you suggesting I use methods considered less humane?
We have animal cruelty laws I have to abide by I cannot club them to death with a lump of wood like our ancient ancestors did, I prefer guns because it's the most humane method according to the RSPCA,only a despicable hoplophobic cretin would consider forcing someone to use a less humane method.
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I disagree with the RSPCA on heart/lung shots they are required for professional aerial cullers.
When they allowed hunting in national parks and state forests which was opposed by many they did not allow night hunting on safety grounds.
It's a gun confiscating licence revoking offence to have a firearm and spotlight after sunset and before sunrise.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 7:31pm:



Ignorant AND astoundingly naive.

He thinks that once you own a gun, you never break the law for the rest of your life.

Moreover, he believes that every single person who does break the law (non-gun owners, of course) is charged by police and eventually convicted by the courts.

His naivety and ignorance is almost child-like.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2015 at 8:28pm:


The hysterical hoplophobes like peccahead should seek medical help for their irrational fears,he like to tar all law abiding firearm owners as criminals despite the fact every single one of them has a clean criminal record.

Many people get good behaviour bonds with no conviction recorded if they use what is known as section 10.

A firearm owner can lose their firearms licence and have guns confiscated with no conviction recorded if they are subjected to a good behaviour bond.
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You don't need to have a conviction recorded to have a firearms licence revoked, if you are given a good behaviour bond you lose your firearms.

Hoplophobes like peccahead are ignorant of our laws

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 10:49am:


While you could, I suppose "invent" a biological control agent, I wouldn't be willing to put any money on it, Baron.

Generally what is done is found an agent that naturally exists and is endemic to overseas herds of Deer and which our herd has no resistance to.    Then you make sure it can't infect any other wildlife and once that is determined, you release it into the wild, just as Myxomatosis was and Calicivirus  were, to control rabbits.  If you believe rabbits are in plague proportions now, you have no idea what it was like in the first half of the century in Australia!   

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We will always have a constant fight to control their numbers BUT do you want those numbers to continue to grow, because there is an incentive on top of their natural fecundity?  I don't.  I'd rather see a nature biological control system used.  Of course, we might need to immunise domesticated herds but that is still better than having the state make money and every johnny-come-lately with a gun out there shooting each other.

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Provide a quote from the RSPCA where they state that, please, Baron.

I suspect they've said because there are no alternatives.   Biological alternatives result in nature deaths for the animals and are therefore more humane than butchery by gun IMHO.   

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:
Deer are a feral animal that destroy native vegetation.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:
Kill every one of them. Good clean kills. I missed one once with a single barreled shotgun. They are a hard animal to shoot as they are quick and easily startled. The people that shoot them use scopes and kill them quick.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

At night, standing up through the sun roof of a small car on a bumpy road with a single barreled shotgun. It's no wonder I missed. I didn't miss with the boot load of bunny rabbits we had though. delicious!!

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:


The aborigines still live in a hunter gatherer lifestyle in remote parts of Australia,are you suggesting they give up their firearms and go back to killing their dinner with sticks and spears?

Would you prefer hunters used bows and arrows which are legal?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:
Greggorry won't answer that.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:
So aborigines are inadequate. You racist pig!!

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:



No.

I'm suggesting that white fellas who go hunting are compensating for some inadequacy.

double plus good wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:18pm:



I never asked what you look like.

I have a rough idea, though.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 7:21pm:


Peccahead does his best to vilify hunters who are doing something that is 100% Legal,vilification of law abiding people doing legal pastimes is illegal peccahead is a hoplophobic bigot.

Nice selective quoting peccahead,you left out this bit-
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The RSPCA says professional pest controllers are the most effective yet all the professional cullers disagree with the RSPCA on shot placement.
A good heart shot takes out both lungs as well as the heart,death is instant.
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Those who go for skins prefer headshots to preserve the pelt.

The firearms test for Professional Roo culling says you have to shoot a 5 shot group of  75mm or better at 80m,i shoot 6mm groups at 100m.
www.firearmtraining.com.au/html/10aboutkhtest.htm

I disagree with the RSPCA on using spotlights for deer hunting, it is perfectly legal on private property yet illegal to spotlight on public land for safety reasons.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:


Do you hunt, dear?

double plus good wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 8:04pm:


Gee, I wonder why I don't believe you?   

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2015 at 11:39pm:
That's okay. I picture you looking like Monis.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:36am:

No problems comic book guy.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:23am:


How is this relevant to deer hunting peccahead?

26,000 post show you are nothing more than a worthless troll

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 11:57am:


It's against the law to be under the influence of alcohol and handle a firearm in Australia,try to keep up.

What a profound level of ignorance you have peccahead.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2015 at 7:25pm:


Still waiting for you to answer this question peccahead.

Sorry doofus but the adult beverages come out after the days hunt is over and the guns are put away. Alcohol before or during the hunt creates too much  liability  and spoils a person's aim.

double plus good wrote on Jul 13^th, 2015 at 7:33am:


Why?   

Who introduced Deer to Australia, Baron?  Why were Deer introduced to Australia?  How have they become feral?   

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2015 at 12:34pm:


Doubtful, Baron 'cause Deer are very much perceived to be the purvey of the "upper-classes" whereas Goats are very much seen as the purvey of the "lower-classes".  Deer were introduced initially to hunt, Baron whereas Goats were introduced to farm.  Both became Feral though.  Hunters hunted the Deer, Farmers farmed the Goats.   I was driving to Canberra a couple of years ago and very surprised to nearly hit a Feral Deer in the early evening.   I've never ever seen a Feral Goat.   Your sole solution to the problem is guns and more guns, as in everything you talk about, Baron (except Muslims and who knows, perhaps your solution to your Islamophobia is more guns as well?).   Guns won't solve the problem of the Deer any more than they have solved the problem of the Goats.