You're obviously an absolutist Sad Kangaroo.
Nothing wrong with that.
But your need for 'only one right answer' is your flaw.

The Flat Earth or Straight Way belief is much akin to the Judaistic approach of 'Exiling' itself from the natural world as it is (The 'Fall' from the Garden).
Christianity is 'in' the Garden as is.
Mohommedism is the 'Rise' back into the Garden from exile.

So when I say the Earth is Flat - it is for a very good reason and governs how one lives one's life.
To me, the Earth will always be Flat and Straight.
Even in Buddhism - the 'Round' Earth is much like the endless Circle of Addiction and Reincarnation.
But for me - I don't believe in the continual 'return' of existence.
It's hard to explain and I wish I could clarify it more or better for you.
But only a few months ago, my Indonesian co-worker was perplexed that I believed that the Earth was Flat.

Sure, I understand that to many (like Scientists) - the Earth is NOT the centre of the Universe, but to me and many - the Earth IS the centre of OUR universe.

I believe, like you that the Earth is truly 'round' (sphere, etc) - but I also believe that it truly 'Flat' as well.
...and this is why.
Accept both and you will truly understand what it means to know that there can be more than just 'one' right answer and that everything doesn't have to be black OR white.

Raven does not understand the flat earth movement.

All the planets and stars are round but Earth is flat?

To paraphrase: Raven has seen the shadow of the Earth on the moon. And he trusts a shadow more than the flat earth society.

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 8^th, 2017 at 11:46am:


Light, you've shown no math though.  You just claim it's wrong.  That's not how it works.  And the shape of the earth is not a theory, it's provable fact.  You're just being silly and trying to sound smarter, a lot smarter, than you actually are.

You're applying a 2 dimensional analogy to 3 dimensional space.  You may consider it food for thought, but it only highlights the enormous lack of understanding you have on the subject.  Or the boundless lengths you'll go to in order to be the most annoying troll on these boards.

But if you want to disprove gravity, if you want to disprove the motion of the satellites around the earth, planets in the solar system and the very stars themselves in the sky, then by all means, please post the math you've used if you're so certain the current models don't add up.

If you think you can one up the well established laws of physics then please, go ahead.  But for once don't you think it's worth looking inward?  You're claiming hundreds of years of mathematical and physical understanding is wrong and you're opinion is correct?  You don't see an incredible audacity to such a claim?

Perhaps you should be trying to prove your own claims rather than disproving others that you don't even understand?  Are you even aware of what you don't understand?

That is your biggest weakness.  You're willfully ignorant to how ignorant you actually are.  I have no compassion for that special kind of stupid.

JaSin, I've been wondering about the best way to respond to your post and picture above. The idea of 2d analogies on the mind thanks to Nutbar McGee here, it made me think that yes, on those individual axis the shadows cast show a certain shape, but it's nothing more than only a simple part of the puzzle. 

You may take each shadow as being "true" but if you only look at one shadow you will never know the truth.  This I believe is the point of the picture. 

For anyone, like Light, who refuses to look at both shadows (in this analogy) I have no hesitation in calling them out without any remorse.  I don't have to respect their point of view or their stupidity, especially if they make outrageous claims based on their flawed and limited understanding AFTER showing they don't even acknowledge all of the facts on the table.

It seems to be the MO of the conspiracy nut.



It's not that I'm an "absolutist", it's more than I take all the information available rather than cherry picking results out of context and ignoring all other contributing and relevant information when reaching a conclusion.

I've seen the curvature of the earth with my own eyes.  The last time was on a flight to Sydney from the Gold Coast.  I waited for the flight tracker to show the altitude and the moment we were above 35,000 ft I was lucky enough to be on the window and there was not a cloud in the sky.  You can see it very easily with your own eyes.

I'll even try and get a photo next time, that is, if the chemtrails aren't blocking my view /facepalm!

If you take both shadows then yes, they are "true" but together they tell the story about the origin of the shape.  Your picture may explain why some people think they're onto the truth but it really only proves how and why they're wrong.

We've seen the shadow the Earth casts on the Moon, BUT, with the explanation of how we have the seasons and the rotation of the Sun in the sky as told by a flat earther, it is impossible under those circumstances for the sun to cause the earth to cast a shadow on the mood.

So we either can't have the seasons, or the earth's shadow cannot ever be cast on the moon, but both of these are a reality.  The problem is if you take both sets of information they contradict one another.  It's similar but different to your two shadow, true and truth idea.

It may be true that each of those shadows exist, but when the observers reaches a conclusion from a single shadow that is not supported by the sum of all the available evidence they are simply wrong, no matter how "true" the shadow is, they're still wrong.

Perspective, philosophy, thought experiments, these are all great, but when they're wrong, such as flat earthers, they're still wrong.

The fact that people will openly admit to believing in Noah's Ark but question the moon landings or claim the earth is flat just makes me a sad kangaroo, especially in 2017 for flaps sake...

Testing Flattards - Part 1

Part one in a series taking a wry look at the idiotic belief that the Earth is flat, and how that stacks up against reality. This part takes a look at some fundamental geometric problems with flattards' favourite "map", an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection.

I dare say this will be ignored by certain people on here but in the off chance they're not hypocritically closed minded they may learn something.

it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2017 at 1:10pm:


I assume you're intimating that it's because the earth is flat and NASA are part of the conspiracy to hide it?

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