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The ADF Helicopters Won't Start, Won't Stop
Jul 1st, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
ADF helicopters won’t start, won’t stop      Sad   

    The Australian
    June 29, 2015 12:00AM


Australia’s new $4 billion fleet of army and navy helicopters are having trouble starting and stopping their rotors in strong winds, causing damage to the choppers’ rotor heads.   Sad

The problems affecting the new multi-role helicopter, the MRH90 Taipan, were discovered during ocean testing on the navy’s giant new amphibious assault ship HMAS Canberra.

The helicopters will not be ­deployed until the issue is solved.

The problem comes on top of Defence’s already troubled acquisition of the 46 MRH90s, a project delayed by almost five years.

The helicopters, which will ­replace the existing Black Hawk fleet and the retired Sea King fleet, can move troops, conduct search-and-rescue and special operations and counter-terrorism missions.

So far 33 of the 46 helicopters (40 for army and six for navy) have been delivered to the Australian Defence Force, with “final operational capability” expected in 2019, almost five years late.

Defence has admitted “some issues were encountered starting and stopping rotors under certain environmental conditions”.

It said inspections had been stepped up to investigate the issue. “The development of a suitable starting and stopping envelope for operations from the LHD (landing helicopter docks) remains a work in progress,” a Defence spokesman said.

Sources said the design of the amphibious assault ships served to accentuate wind conditions that affected the helicopter rotors at slow speed, making it difficult for pilots to quickly start and stop the rotors on deck.

The navy found that the problem also caused damage and undue wear and tear to the helicopter’s rotor heads. Investig­ations are now under way to see what can be done to fix the stopping and starting problems and the wear on the main rotor head. It is unclear whether this can be achieved by changing the way the helicopters are used on the LHDs or whether there is a weakness in the chopper itself.

The MRH90 project has had a troubled history since the first two aircraft were accepted into service by the ADF in December 2007. The European MRH90 was chosen by the Howard government against the advice of Defence, which wanted the new American Black Hawk.

The government is believed to have chosen the MRH90 because the bid allowed for more local involvement. The helicopters are being assembled by Australian Aerospace in Brisbane.

In April 2010, an ADF MRH90 had a single engine failure near Adelaide and the fleet was temporarily grounded. Investigations revealed the fault was caused by a compressor blade contacting the engine casing. Last year, a report by the Australian National Audit Office found the acquisition process was littered with poor program development and contract decisions, which caused the long delay in the delivery of the helicopters to the ADF.

The delay in the arrival of the full contingent has forced the army to operate its ageing S-70A Black Hawks beyond their planned retirement date.

The navy’s six MRH90s are based at HMAS Albatross in Nowra, 170km south of Sydney, and are used mainly as a cargo lift to deliver supplies to ships at sea. “When completed, the MRH90 will be available for two air mobile squadrons, one special operations squadron, and one maritime support helicopter squadron able to provide support capability to the ADF from land bases as well as the Canberra-class amphibious assault ships (LHDs),” the navy said.
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Reply #1 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 2:23pm
 

Tony said they're coming after us, I hope they get the helicopters sorted before they get here.
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Reply #2 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
this load of rubbish machine is being made in 6 companies in europe. plus some work is being done in brisbane australia. so far 241 rubbish machines have been made worldwide..


the australian government had a choice of getting them with a good general electric GE  made in america  engine, but no went with a rolls-royce/ french engine deal..

sounds like a collins class sub deal again..
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Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:02pm
 
Add another one to the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG
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Apparently, it didn't. "Even with the limited F-16 target configuration, the F-35A remained at a distinct energy disadvantage for every engagement," the F-35 pilot reported. That means the F-35 constantly found itself flying slower and more sluggishly, unable to effectively maneuver to get the F-16 in its sights.



http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/report-in-test-dogfight-f-...

It would seem defence procurement cannot get anything right, from uniforms to weaponry they continually f$k it up.
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Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:02pm:
It would seem defence procurement cannot get anything right, from uniforms to weaponry they continually f$k it up.


that's because politicians get involved .... for example. what the hell does Mirrabella know about submarines

they should buy their equipment based on the advice of the people who will be using them.
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Reply #5 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:29pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:16pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:02pm:
It would seem defence procurement cannot get anything right, from uniforms to weaponry they continually f$k it up.


that's because politicians get involved .... for example. what the hell does Mirrabella know about submarines

they should buy their equipment based on the advice of the people who will be using them.



Just think - if that electorate choose her again, she can sit on the board of ASC, pull her parliamentary pension while topping it up at tax discount out of salary plus all found at an exorbitant daily rate that would keep an unemployed for a week, and pull all the perks again, and also play the super game again as a 'board member' at ASC.

Can anyone tell me what she's ever been good for other than being a Tango Whiskey and a Tango Echo?

Good work if you can get it...
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Reply #6 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:35pm
 
Ah!  The Jesus Nut - it heads south (or heads towards Heaven without you) and you kiss your ass goodbye.... anyone ever heard of tie-downs?

FSS - there's been nothing but plagues on all houses since this was taken out of Defence and handed to 'private industries' that provide nice little sinecures for loser politician mates and cronies elsewise.

Fatty knocked out half the SAS ready team in the Athertons, due to an extended period of slack procurement and piss poor management of resources (I was invited by phone to the memorial service, BTW - but was tied up and laid up all in one - ah, history..... all those memories.... like teardrops in the rain....).  Anyway, I don't forget, and one day all these problems and disasters will come back to haunt these politicians.

I kinda get the feeling the modern grunt is not too content to just take it on the chin.....
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Reply #7 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
Dodgy choppers, no problem, our Gubmint is here to protect us, you ask them?
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Reply #8 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 7:54pm
 
This is what we have to take and hold the first hits until reserves and drafting manpower come into play......

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=a...

Is there anyone among us who doesn't think they should be given the best possible equipment in the best possible working order to do so?

Stand up and leave the room now....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 7:54pm:
This is what we have to take and hold the first hits until reserves and drafting manpower come into play......

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=a...

Is there anyone among us who doesn't think they should be given the best possible equipment in the best possible working order to do so?

Stand up and leave the room now....


Well conservative governments keep sending them overseas to fight wars we have no business fighting and trying to cut their wages whilst putting their lifes on the line " to stop all those terrorists who are coming " , damn straight they deserve the best.
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Reply #10 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 9:50pm
 
It's like the subs:

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If you put a snorkel on longweekend58's fibro house, duct taped the openings and launched it as a submarine it would probably outperform Australia's Collins class submarines.
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Bobby. wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 9:50pm:
It's like the subs:

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If you put a snorkel on longweekend58's fibro house, duct taped the openings and launched it as a submarine it would probably outperform Australia's Collins class submarines.


That quote was pretty farkn funny
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Its time wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 8:05pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 7:54pm:
This is what we have to take and hold the first hits until reserves and drafting manpower come into play......

http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=a...

Is there anyone among us who doesn't think they should be given the best possible equipment in the best possible working order to do so?

Stand up and leave the room now....


Well conservative governments keep sending them overseas to fight wars we have no business fighting and trying to cut their wages whilst putting their lifes on the line " to stop all those terrorists who are coming " , damn straight they deserve the best.



Indeed, that's one reason I despise ToJo's government.  Though the opposition is not much better there.

They all love the photo ops but never did one yard of boots in the mud, being chased through the sky by a missile, or living above 3000 feet of water just waiting for a blast, and never will.
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Reply #13 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
Its time wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 9:50pm:
It's like the subs:

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If you put a snorkel on longweekend58's fibro house, duct taped the openings and launched it as a submarine it would probably outperform Australia's Collins class submarines.


That quote was pretty farkn funny



Yes - very funny  - our financial advisors house.   Grin
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