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Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:23pm
 
We all know that when atmospheric CO2 levels went from 3 parts in 10 000 to 4 parts in 10 000 all hell broke loose worldwide causing droughts, floods, hurricanes, heat waves, extinctions and all manner of disasters, it is also said that if the level hits 5 parts in 10 000 it will be the end of life as we know it.

CO2 must be the most amazingly powerful and destructive chemical known to mankind, maybe, but I was wondering does anyone else have any other examples of other elements that when adjusted by such minuscule amounts cause such chaos?

Is CO2 the most dangerous substance we know?
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm
 
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


The denialist arguing over percentages are also opposing global action on stopping the destruction of the planet's rain forests, and so closing our small window of avoiding extinction within decades.
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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:27pm
 
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


The denialist arguing over percentages are also opposing global action on stopping the destruction of the planet's rain forests, and so closing our small window of avoiding extinction within decades.


are you kidding me...

you said that Tony's direct action of replanting forests was a waste of time...
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:29pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:23pm:
We all know that when atmospheric CO2 levels went from 3 parts in 10 000 to 4 parts in 10 000 all hell broke loose worldwide causing droughts, floods, hurricanes, heat waves, extinctions and all manner of disasters, it is also said that if the level hits 5 parts in 10 000 it will be the end of life as we know it.

CO2 must be the most amazingly powerful and destructive chemical known to mankind, maybe, but I was wondering does anyone else have any other examples of other elements that when adjusted by such minuscule amounts cause such chaos?

Is CO2 the most dangerous substance we know? 




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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:51pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:27pm:
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


The denialist arguing over percentages are also opposing global action on stopping the destruction of the planet's rain forests, and so closing our small window of avoiding extinction within decades.


are you kidding me...

you said that Tony's direct action of replanting forests was a waste of time...



What forests?

Land clearing soars in Queensland, leaked figures show

Leaked figures obtained by the ABC show land clearing in Queensland last year was around 278,000 hectares — triple what it was in 2009.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-16/land-clearing-soars-in-queensland-leaked-f...



Destroying out planet's lungs (tropical forests) means certain extinction of the human race, and  within 100 years.

This is the agenda of the denialist. Mass murder for short term financial gain.
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Reply #5 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 12:25am
 
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


Because everyone on the planet is a fricken idiot who wants to cut down all the trees on the planet. Everyone, except GreensWin and his friends. Because when there are no more trees on the planet, the nice people are just going to look around for more until they are exhausted from searching, and a lack of oxygen.

Are you really not giving people any credibility, here?
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Reply #6 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 8:26am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 12:25am:
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


Because everyone on the planet is a fricken idiot who wants to cut down all the trees on the planet. Everyone, except GreensWin and his friends. Because when there are no more trees on the planet, the nice people are just going to look around for more until they are exhausted from searching, and a lack of oxygen.

Are you really not giving people any credibility, here?



We are ripping out the planet's lungs via deforesting and so destroying the oxygen cycle. Can anyone here survive without breathing ... if not then our current path is for idiots.

This is the path denialist are wanting us to speed down.


Time denialist came out of their holes and tell us, is the fossil fuel dividends and greasing of their palms really worth it in the medium term?
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Reply #7 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm
 
On a global scale, this increase represent a very high gross artificial release of CO2 into the atmosphere.   Which we know are intricately related to all carbon based life forms, as well as the weather.   This rate of increase is higher than previous recorded natural variation.   Now, in addition to CO2 been released, our current forms of energy production also produce other dangerous substances as well.   

With worlds's population on the increase, and the decrease in biodiversity, the loss of land / environmental damage just to extract stored carbon, plus the decreased availability of carbon energy.  It does NOT take a rocket scientist to realize that in order for human civilization to flourish, we need to find alternate means of energy production - namely renewable sources.

One do not have to listen to scientist to get a feel that change to our way of life is required.  Governments of the world are preparing for rising of sea levels, and challenges associated with predicted more extremes of weather.    Alot of multinational companies - like APPLE, are setting up their infrastructures to meet the challenges.  In 2015, Apple claimed that all of its US operations are run by renewable sources, as with 87% of its global operations. 

And even the large oil companies are changing.   On 01 June 2015, and I quote:

Major oil and gas companies, BG Group plc, BP plc, Eni S.p.A., Royal Dutch Shell plc, Statoil ASA and Total SA, today announced their call to governments around the world and to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) to introduce carbon pricing systems and create clear, stable, ambitious policy frameworks that could eventually connect national systems. These would reduce uncertainty and encourage the most cost effective ways of reducing carbon emissions widely.

With this unprecedented joint initiative, the companies recognize both the importance of the climate challenge and the importance of energy to human life and well-being. They acknowledge the current trend of greenhouse gas emissions is in excess of what the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says is needed to limit global temperature rise to no more than 2 degrees Centigrade, and say they are ready to contribute solutions.

So, even if you dont believe in the scientist, perhaps believe in the most successful companies in the world, on what they are doing, and preparing.   And if you still think that this is a hoax, and decided not to contribute to the overall well being of the human race, then well... no one can help you. 
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Reply #8 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:51pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
we need to find alternate means of energy production - namely renewable sources.


Incorrect.

Just energy sources that are both efficient and don't emit large amounts of Co2, if you believe the science that is. Huh

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Reply #9 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 2:23pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:51pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
we need to find alternate means of energy production - namely renewable sources.


Incorrect.

Just energy sources that are both efficient and don't emit large amounts of Co2, if you believe the science that is. Huh




That would mean radioactive waste is acceptable to you. That's just repeating the folly of fossil fuel only knowing the consequences at the beginning.
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Reply #10 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 2:41pm
 
The one molecule  appears to have beat the sh it out of innocentbystander's lone neuron and the innocentbystander cadaver is thrashing about chaotically bashing out random nonsense on it's keyboard.
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Reply #11 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 3:04pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:51pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 1:06pm:
we need to find alternate means of energy production - namely renewable sources.


Incorrect.

Just energy sources that are both efficient and don't emit large amounts of Co2, if you believe the science that is. Huh



I am always a little sceptical about nuclear fission as energy source.  Mainly because of safety issues.   Safety tissues regarding the containment of the radioactive by products, the security issue of radioactive by products, and also the storage of the by products which can last thousands of years - which could well become a health hazard for our future generation <--- basically, the radioactive materials last alot longer than anything we have build so far - even the great pyramids.  SO at sometimes, someone,  need to move it from the existing facility to another.  Which can be a logistical nightmare..... 

There may be a role in fusion reactors.  The waste products remains dangerous for about 50 to 100 years.   So this could be a solution, but we have not perfected the technology yet = e.g. trouble containing and stabilizing an extremely hot core with electromagnetism.

So until then, we need to both change the way in which we live, increase energy efficiency, and improve other existing renewable technologies.



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Reply #12 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:23pm:
We all know that when atmospheric CO2 levels went from 3 parts in 10 000 to 4 parts in 10 000 all hell broke loose worldwide causing droughts, floods, hurricanes, heat waves, extinctions and all manner of disasters, it is also said that if the level hits 5 parts in 10 000 it will be the end of life as we know it.

CO2 must be the most amazingly powerful and destructive chemical known to mankind, maybe, but I was wondering does anyone else have any other examples of other elements that when adjusted by such minuscule amounts cause such chaos?

Is CO2 the most dangerous substance we know? 

How hot would the earth be with zero parts per million CO2?


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Reply #13 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 10:27pm:
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


The denialist arguing over percentages are also opposing global action on stopping the destruction of the planet's rain forests, and so closing our small window of avoiding extinction within decades.


are you kidding me...

you said that Tony's direct action of replanting forests was a waste of time...

Tonys figures for replanting trees are a complete joke: are you sure you want to go over them?

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Reply #14 - Jul 1st, 2015 at 10:57pm
 
____ wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 8:26am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 1st, 2015 at 12:25am:
____ wrote on Jun 30th, 2015 at 9:33pm:
That's a 33% increase.

Along with deforestation. Within 100 years all tropical forests on the planet will be gone through human activity. Never to return.

That means a lot of sequestering gone ... a massive knock to the water going into the  atmosphere ... our ability to breath oxygen, gone.


Because everyone on the planet is a fricken idiot who wants to cut down all the trees on the planet. Everyone, except GreensWin and his friends. Because when there are no more trees on the planet, the nice people are just going to look around for more until they are exhausted from searching, and a lack of oxygen.

Are you really not giving people any credibility, here?



We are ripping out the planet's lungs via deforesting and so destroying the oxygen cycle. Can anyone here survive without breathing ... if not then our current path is for idiots.

This is the path denialist are wanting us to speed down.


Time denialist came out of their holes and tell us, is the fossil fuel dividends and greasing of their palms really worth it in the medium term? 


My point is, you won't see humans ripping up plants and cutting down forests passed the point of not being able to breathe. Because our whole survivalist nature will kick in and halt ourselves from not atleast replanting and reforesting the world where we can. Our society is moving away from paper usage, towards more reusable materials. And we are recycling paper more now than in the past.

The way you talk about this deforestation, you make it seem like anyone with a chainsaw just doesn't have an "off button". That a tree has to be felled, and never replaced. Believe me, we will still have forests around 20 years from now. Probably in greater number.
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