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Reply #30 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 2:12pm
 
Now.now, G, I hope you realize you’ll get questions for that. Now you’ll have to answer years worth of questions again.

Are you the standard bearer of modern Western liberal values?
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Reply #31 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 5:52pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

FD will never ever ever acknowledge muslims for doing the right thing in terms of supporting freedom.

He has made this clear in his extraordinary mental gymnastics to turn muslim who do make that stand into something else entirely - even at the risk of making himself a complete parody of himself.





gandalf,

You talk about 'extraordinary mental gymnastics'.

Talking about freedom, and moslems, in the same sentence!!

But when has a moslem, worthy of the name, EVER, EVER, supported the freedom of an individual to choose to reject ISLAM ?

Every moslem, worthy of the name, is diametrically opposed to any individual man or woman having the FREEDOM, to choose their own path, in their own life.




gandalf,

Within ISLAM [i.e. BEING a moslem], a person, a moslem, must obey his religion [which means, the clerics].

And ISLAM does not offer pluralism, or free choice to the individual.



ISLAM means submission [to Allah].


Google;
islam literally means submission


Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1438701842/0#0
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The stifling dictatorial authority of the clerics

ISLAM = = blindly believe the clerics, blindly obey the clerics.




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Do moslems EVER, EVER, support freedom [except when they, MOSLEMS, are exploiting freedoms, in the West, so as to undermine freedoms, in the West] ?

Ha, thats a laugh!!



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"NO DEMOCRACY!    We want just ISLAM!"






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"ISLAM is solution - DEMOCRACY will bring oppression!"






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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"





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QUESTION;
Is ISLAM and ISLAM's religious and cultural tenets, tolerant of democracy ?


Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow a democratic form of government [i.e. a form of government which takes to itself, the authority to formulate laws for a society of people] ?

Does ordinary, mainstream ISLAM, allow moslems to peacefully co-exist with [such] a democratic form of government ?


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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone,"
Mr Hanif [said]"



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #32 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 9:45pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm:
Further to K's reply...

Exhibit A: the front page of this website now has a moving dedication to Charlie Hebdo. This case was a good example of wishy washy liberal values and fake morals on display. Honestly the hypocricy on display by the French in the aftermath couldn't have been fabricated better: here we had French leaders walking down the street hand in hand with a selection of other western leaders - marching in solidarity for freedom of speech. At about the same time, French authorities were kicking down the door of a notorious French blogger, arresting him for saying some mean things about jews on facebook. I kid you not, this actually happened. France, moreover, has some of the most draconian anti-holocaust denial laws - that is, laws that literally amount to thought crimes. But lets be all outraged by the big bad muslim's attack on free speech.

But FD would never mention this hypocricy, nor would he even dream of accusing those French and other leaders of being cynical with this episode. Of course every right-minded person abhors and condemns violence of this kind, but we don't all get up on our moral pedastool and claim "solidarity" with those who profit from hate and racism. We'll ignore the inconvenient fact that before the attack on Charlie Hebdo, those same righteous French leaders were attempting to have the magazine shut down for incitement, as well as the fact that Charlie Hebdo itself had one of its cartoonists fired for caricaturing jews. Some lines, you see, must never be crossed - even by those warriors of freedom.

But FD's blind apologism for fake morals is not restricted to slain cartoonists. A year or so back when there was serious talk of banning the Islamist group Hizb-ut-tahrir - a group that rejects violence - far from condemning this dangerous attack on FOS, FD was here mocking the muslims who came out in support of them. Imagine that - people who are protesting against blatant censorship and blatant attack on free speech, ridiculed by the great freedom warrior himself. But that gem was possibly even topped a little earlier when he persisted for about 20 pages in denouncing a group of Egyptians protesting against the decidedly anti-democratic and anti-freedom overthrow of Egypt's first democratically elected government. Here we had a group of muslims in a sea of placards and banners saying "peace" and denouncing violence - once again mocked and ridiculed - because they were actually concealing their true motivation, oppression and anti-freedom of course. As is the FD way - of course he had no actual evidence for his charge, the proof was in what they didn't do: not being specific enough about their pro-peace credentials, including the fact that they only had one banner that indicated they were pro-democracy (a giant banner leading the march, but its still only one banner). And lets not get started on his "was it a line?" idiocy about the Oslo incident

You see the problem for FD here is that they are not charging into the streets to support the Charlie Hebdo's first - before they (cynically of course) conduct their "fake" freedom protests when it affects their own. This is another feature of FD's attacks: he holds muslims to a different standard than he holds ordinary non-muslims. For example, how many non-muslims actually came out on to the streets to condemn the Hebdo attack - in fact how many non-muslims ever come out en-masse to stand up for freedoms? Bugger all, thats how many. Yet in FD's mind, muslims should be the extraordinary ones - just because a few crazies commit atrocities using the name of the same religion they follow. But in reality, thats just an excuse. FD will never ever ever acknowledge muslims for doing the right thing in terms of supporting freedom. He has made this clear in his extraordinary mental gymnastics to turn muslim who do make that stand into something else entirely - even at the risk of making himself a complete parody of himself.


Summary:

Muslims gunned down catroonists in the name of Islam and Mohammed - and you want to present Muslims as the aggrieved party.


Get outa here, Gandy.


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Re: Moslem 'migrants', flooding across the Mediterrane
Reply #33 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:34pm
 
The flow of illegal immigrants should be stopped now.

Syrians, Afghans, Pakis, Bangladeshies, Kosovars. Albanians, Iraqis etc have non claim on Europe. Stop them now or you will never stop them and they will overwhelm Europe.

It is outrageous to allow such a tide of barbarian 'migrants' (invaders) to stampede their way to where they are not wanted.

This is a repeat of the barbarian invasion of the Roman Empire.


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Reply #34 - Aug 30th, 2015 at 11:34pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:34pm:
The flow of illegal immigrants should be stopped now.

Syrians, Afghans, Pakis, Bangladeshies, Kosovars. Albanians, Iraqis etc have non claim on Europe. Stop them now or you will never stop them and they will overwhelm Europe.

It is outrageous to allow such a tide of barbarian 'migrants' (invaders) to stampede their way to where they are not wanted.

This is a repeat of the barbarian invasion of the Roman Empire.



Anyone for Gibbon? The old boy’s got a sale on.

He’ll throw in a Kipling if you call now.
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Reply #35 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 5:44am
 
EU policy in this matter is not about to change. It would take a huge change in public perception to throw out politicians who deny the subversive nature of Muzlim and other illegal infiltration.  Among the pro-immigration crowd, you can hear and see the rhetoric and hatred of the those who would defend their countries. In fact, I don't see anything, short of civil war, that will stop the flow. If I was a European, I am damned sure I would not sit on the fence.
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Reply #36 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 7:34am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 10:34pm:
The flow of illegal immigrants should be stopped now.

Syrians, Afghans, Pakis, Bangladeshies, Kosovars. Albanians, Iraqis etc have non claim on Europe. Stop them now or you will never stop them and they will overwhelm Europe.

It is outrageous to allow such a tide of barbarian 'migrants' (invaders) to stampede their way to where they are not wanted.

This is a repeat of the barbarian invasion of the Roman Empire.



Agreed

they will want Mr Morrison over there.
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Reply #37 - Aug 31st, 2015 at 9:12am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

But FD's blind apologism for fake morals is not restricted to slain cartoonists.

A year or so back when there was serious talk of banning the Islamist group Hizb-ut-tahrir - a group that rejects violence - far from condemning this dangerous attack on FOS, FD was here mocking the muslims who came out in support of them.

Imagine that - people [i.e. Hizb-ut-tahrir] who are protesting against blatant censorship and blatant attack on free speech, ridiculed by the great freedom warrior himself.





Lets just pause a moment.....

If you....

Google;
"Western notions of moderate Islam"


....you will learn what the 'peaceful' 'non-violent' and cohesive vision Hizb-ut-tahrir has, for moslems and non-moslems living together in the West.

i.e.
NONE AT ALL!


Because the ISLAMIST political group Hizb-ut-tahrir, is ACTUALLY calling on all moslems [worthy of the name], AND ALL OF THE MOSLEMS WHO LIVE AMONG US, HERE IN AUSTRALIA, to reject pluralism, AND to reject Australia's democratic process, AND, to reject democracy as a system of government.

Hizb-ut-tahrir, is calling on ALL OF THE MOSLEMS WHO LIVE AMONG US, HERE IN AUSTRALIA, to politically segregate themselves from all other Australians, and to reject Australian pluralism.

QUESTION;
And replace pluralism with what ?

ANSWER;
To replace the status quo political system here in Australia, with ISLAM, and ISLAM's laws governing society.



TWO RESULT EXAMPLES FROM THE GOOGLE SEARCH....

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"LEADERS of the global Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir have called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...."



#2
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"[calls for...] Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam and join the struggle for a transnational Islamic state."



And if you cannot understand that #2 is talking about what ISIS is today,      and that #2 is urging open support from all moslems for what ISIS is today, then you need to brush up on your English comprehension skills!



So, if Hizb-ut-tahrir had its 'non-violent' way ALL OF THE MOSLEMS WHO LIVE AMONG US, HERE IN AUSTRALIA, would
"spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam and join the struggle for a transnational Islamic state."





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"[a respected moslem community spokesman has] called on Australian Muslims to spurn secular democracy and Western notions of moderate Islam...
...[moslems in Australia were told] that democracy is "haram" (forbidden) for Muslims, whose political engagement should be be based purely on Islamic law.
"We must adhere to Islam and Islam alone,"
Mr Hanif [said]"



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/australia-members-of-hizb-ut-tahrir-say-countr...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #38 - Sep 16th, 2015 at 4:24pm
 
Lebanese Education Minister warns:
20,000 Islamic State jihadis have infiltrated Syrian refugee camps


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But remember: to oppose this influx makes you a racist, bigoted Islamophobe. And so Europe goes merrily to its fate. At least, as the last knife cuts into the last Infidel neck in St. Peter’s Square, the victim can congratulate himself that he was never unwelcoming to the refugees.

“Officials warn 20,000 ISIS jihadis ‘have infiltrated Syrian refugee camps,'” by Jack Blanchard, Mirror, September 14, 2015:

    At least 20,000 bloodthirsty jihadis have infiltrated Syrian refugee camps and are plotting to enter Europe, a senior official warned tonight.

    Lebanese Education Minister Elias Bou Saab said he fears Islamic State radicals make up at least 2% of the 1.1million Syrians living in camps across his country.

    And he warned of a covert jihadi “operation” to get across the Med and into Europe. His warning came as David Cameron made a whistle-stop tour of refugee camps in Lebanon and Jordan yesterday to try to win back public support on the Syria crisis.

    “My gut feeling is they (IS) are facilitating such an operation. To go to Europe and other places… From Turkey to Greece,” Mr Bou Saab said.

    “You may have, let’s say, 2% that could be radicals. That is more than enough. We have had that also with our camps here – you find 2-3% of them.”

    The stark warning comes as Britain prepares to take 20,000 of the most desperate Syrians from the very same camps, following huge public demand for action.

    It will pile more pressure on Ministers to ensure the people helped by the vital aid programme are properly vetted before they arrive.

    Lebanon is one of the key areas for British aid programmes after being overwhelmed with more than a million Syrian refugees since the bloody civil war began.

    Mr Bou Saab is closely involved in education programmes for the Syrian kids living in the sprawling tented camps.

    But he said IS are now using the widespread poverty and desperation as recruiting sergeants for their bloodthirsty cause.

    “No hope; no work; no education; poor. All this will become easy to recruit,” he warned.

    The Minister even revealed militants have already launched raids on Lebanese soldiers from inside the refugee camps.

    “When the Lebanese army were kidnapped in Lebanon, the people who kidnapped them came out of the camps,” he said.

    “We had them in camps in Lebanon and we were taking care – and all of a sudden they came out of the camps.

    “They went against the army, they kidnapped the soldiers and they took them to the mountains.”

    Mr Bou Saab also had words of warning for David Cameron over his desire to oust brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad from Syria.

    The Lebanese Minister said booting out Assad could leave a dangerous vacuum and plunge the whole region – and potentially the whole of Europe – into further chaos….


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Reply #39 - Sep 16th, 2015 at 7:27pm
 
Ah, very quietly,

What would the Lebanese education minister know about anything?

Its not like he is privy to any actual intelligence. He sets the school budgets in Lebanon for chrisakes.

He says his numbers are based of "gut feel" and a guess.

Its a editorial, not a news piece.





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Reply #40 - Sep 16th, 2015 at 8:38pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Aug 30th, 2015 at 2:12pm:
Now.now, G, I hope you realize you’ll get questions for that. Now you’ll have to answer years worth of questions again.

Are you the standard bearer of modern Western liberal values?


Now that's a giggle!

When we start talking about the acceptance of refugees and our own policy on stopping the boats, perhaps we should look at these people and decry them:

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" ... As the worst refugee crisis since World War Two forces Europe to break down hurdles and accept tens of thousands of migrants, Japan, which took in just 11 asylum seekers last year, is looking to clamp down even tighter.

Measures including deporting failed applicants, curbs on repeat applications and pre-screening of new asylum seekers are being considered as part of changes to the country's immigration system, an official said.

If implemented, the changes would make Japan an even harder-to-reach destination, activists say. The country is already one of the developed world's least welcoming countries for refugees, accepting fewer than a dozen of a record 5,000 asylum seekers in 2014.

"We're not looking to increase or decrease the number of refugees coming to Japan, but to ensure real refugees are assessed quickly," said Hiroaki Sato, a Ministry of Justice official overseeing the proposals.

On Wednesday, around 100 foreigners on "provisional release" from immigration detention - many of them asylum seekers - marched through Tokyo's government district in the driving rain, calling for refugee visas.

"The system is so difficult already," said Ali Jafari, a 54-year-old Iranian who said he came to Japan as a political refugee. "To make it tighter is just cruel."

The United Nations refugee agency, UNHCR, said on Tuesday it expected at least 850,000 people to head to Europe this year, many of them refugees from Syria's four-year civil war. The scale of the crisis has led the European Union to move towards quotas for acceptance of asylum seekers.

But Japan's government does not see escaping war as a legitimate reason for claiming asylum, and has no plans to widen its criteria to include flight from conflict, said Sato.

To qualify, an asylum seeker must prove they individually face persecution on grounds of religion, race or political beliefs.

The strict interpretation of refugee law, and the country's geographical and cultural distance from the Middle East, deter Syrians from seeking asylum in Japan, refugee policy experts say. Only 63 have applied since 2011.

IMMIGRATION TABOO

Tokyo gave $167 million to the UNHCR in the first half of this year, making it the second largest government donor. But by tightening its refugee system Japan risks shirking its global duties, say activists.

"As a developed country, there's a responsibility to protect these people," Mitsuru Miyasako, head of rights group Provisional Release Association in Japan.

Immigration is essentially a taboo subject in a Japan that prides itself on its homogeneity.

Despite a graying population causing the tightest labor market for more than two decades - with the construction and manufacturing sectors badly affected - Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has stuck with curbs on foreign workers, as well as asylum seekers.

The labor shortage reduces Japan's growth potential and dulls the potency of Abe's flagship monetary and fiscal stimulus, an International Monetary Fund working paper said in July.

Abe has taken some steps to address the shortfall, including encouraging more women and elderly people to work. A member of his top economic advisory panel has also proposed lengthening residency periods for professionals.

But relaxing rules on white collar workers will not address shortages in the industries most affected, and more foreign workers "could be an effective strategy to reduce labor shortages," the IMF said.

The scant prospects for any relaxation of rules on manual migrant workers have led many Japanese companies to draw on a gray market of asylum seekers and other cheap foreign workers.

Mahmut Saglam is one of those. A 29-year-old Kurd from Turkey, Saglam claimed asylum in Japan in 2010 after being jailed for protesting against the government, he said.

His asylum application was refused a year later. As he re-applies, he works as a casual demolition workers.

"We do the heaviest work, and companies trust us," he said. "But Japan doesn't want us here.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/10/us-europe-migrants-japan-idUSKCN0R90X6...

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The Germans have clamped down, despite their fear of once again being labelled as racist, a lot of the other European countries have followed suit, yet Japan, for some reason, like China, is seemingly exempt from criticism.

And the Saudis hardly get a mention.

Funny world, ain't it.

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Reply #41 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:32am
 



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"Air-conditioned tents for Haj visitors sit empty in Saudi Arabia.

The tents could accommodate 3 million refugees but the Custodians
of the Holy Mosques in the oil-rich kingdom refuse to take a single one.

Islam is not about making the world a better place.

It is about making it more Islamic."





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Yes but what do you think Yadda.
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Reply #43 - Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:51am
 
Yadda wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:32am:
Islam is not about making the world a better place.

It is about making it more Islamic.




For Muslims, making the world more Islamic is making the world a better place.

You seem completely incapable of viewing situations from another's perspective.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2015 at 10:49am:

Yes but what do you think Yadda.






Pastafarian,

You will raise the ire of many OzPol posters with an invitation like that.

You know very well, that you should not encourage me.        Smiley

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