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USA warned that it's China policy could spark WW3
May 24th, 2015 at 12:12pm
 
USA policy is preventing China from investing in American businesses to spend it's surplus from exporting goods to USA. The same policy was implemented against Arab countries in recent decade preventing them from spending their oil dollars in USA.

With the USA's current spy plane provocations and USA warships heading to waters adjacent to China the risk of conflict is very real.

USA policy is pushing Russia and China together producing economic realignments which will change world trade and finance.

If there is a conflict between USA and China there is a real possibility that Russia could become involved by it's proximity to China. Also a possibility that rogue state North Korea could use the opportunity to engage in a fire fight.

USA no longer knows how to engage in diplomacy.

USA posture creating risk of conflict

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US billionaire investor George Soros warns the world is on the brink of WWIII unless the US financial system opens up to China. But a former US diplomat told RT that it has nothing to do with the economy, but everything with bad US geopolitical policy.

"If there is conflict between China and a military ally of the United States, like Japan, then it is not an exaggeration to say that we are on the threshold of a third world war," Soros was quoted as saying by MarketWatch at the Bretton Woods conference at the World Bank.

Soros added that if China’s efforts to establish a domestic-driven economy fail, it could turn to launching an external conflict to distract its population.

To avoid disaster, Washington needs to strengthen its economic ties with Beijing, according to Soros.

The former US diplomat and advisor to the Republican Party, James George Jatras, told RT that “a remote possibility” of war is possible, but not because of the economy or China’s currency. Potential conflict could only come from the United States’ poor geopolitical choices that do not benefit the American people.

“I do question the reasons he gives for suspecting that there is this danger… This has nothing to do with the economy, nothing to do with currency, and everything to do with very bad American geopolitical policy that has alienated the Russians, it is alienating the Chinese and pushing the Russian and Chinese closer together. This is not in the American interest,” Jatras said.

The idea that the China will deliberately provoke a confrontation with an American ally to distract its population if its economy has problems in the future is “an absurd suggestion,” he said.

The main problem is the US expanding its security presence right alongside “the vital interest of another rising power” for the reasons that clearly do not benefit the US.

“What we really need to do and what Mr. Soros is not talking about at all is to reevaluate what our strategic presence in some of these regions that are far from the US, but very close to China. There is a possibility of confrontation there.”

The US is strengthening its relationships with certain countries not based on what is best for its own economy, but what will best contain China.

“What kind of argument is that? We should be doing things that benefit our own country, our own people, our own workers. Not because it is going to somehow bottle up China, which I think is a dangerous thing to try to do,” Jatras said.

“In some ways I think we are doing in the South China Sea what we did in Ukraine, with respect to Russia. We are inserting a security presence right up against the vital interest of another rising power at the reasons not entirely clear how they benefit the US.”
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Reply #1 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm
 
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.
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Reply #2 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:30pm
 
US Foreign policy has gone absolutely haywire since 9/11.  It looks like paranoia to me.  But NOT from fear that they may be attacked. It's more like fear that they may be losing their number 1 status in the world and that therefore they need to pick a fight to prove themselves.  What's troubling is that there are the stupid Righties on this forum who will happily support anything the US does and it wont be long before we hear them arguing that America has every right to start WW3 over some worthless barren islands in the South China Sea. 
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Reply #3 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:34pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.
See what I mean. 
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The paranoia is from China.
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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:39pm
 
Swagman wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:35pm:
The paranoia is from China.
Here we go!!!! You do know swag those islands are close to China and not America.  Or do you subscribe to the idea that if America goes to fight there it will be to fight for their freedom.   
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Reply #6 - May 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.


As opposed to USA's expansionist acts in Middle East and Ukraine?
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Reply #7 - May 24th, 2015 at 1:45pm
 
Svengali wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.


As opposed to USA's expansionist acts in Middle East and Ukraine?


it is hard to understand how you dress yourself in the morning with that level of ignorance.  I presume someone has to change your diaper for you.

USA has occupied ZERO countries outside of WW2
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Re: USA warned that it's China policy could spark WW3
Reply #8 - May 24th, 2015 at 2:12pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
Svengali wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.


As opposed to USA's expansionist acts in Middle East and Ukraine?


it is hard to understand how you dress yourself in the morning with that level of ignorance.  I presume someone has to change your diaper for you.

USA has occupied ZERO countries outside of WW2



Except :
Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kuwait,  Iraq & Afghanistan.


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Reply #9 - May 24th, 2015 at 2:21pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Swagman wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:35pm:
The paranoia is from China.
Here we go!!!! You do know swag those islands are close to China and not America.  Or do you subscribe to the idea that if America goes to fight there it will be to fight for their freedom.   


No I subscribe to the theory that if the USA was the boogie man it would have taken over the world when it was the only country to have the A bomb
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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2015 at 2:47pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
Svengali wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.


As opposed to USA's expansionist acts in Middle East and Ukraine?


it is hard to understand how you dress yourself in the morning with that level of ignorance.  I presume someone has to change your diaper for you.

USA has occupied ZERO countries outside of WW2


USA occupied Vietnam and lost.

USA occupied:

Nicaragua, Haiti twice, Cuba, Veracruz Mexico, Dominican Republic twice, Panama, Korea, Iraq, Phillipines.

[url=]Muslim countries occupied or bombed by USA just since 1980[/url]Quote:
    Syria has become at least the 14th country in the Islamic world that U.S. forces have invaded or occupied or bombed, and in which American soldiers have killed or been killed. And that’s just since 1980.

    Let’s tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.

Bacevich’s count excludes the bombing and occupation of still other predominantly Muslim countries by key U.S. allies such as Israel and Saudi Arabia, carried out with crucial American support. It excludes coups against democratically elected governments, torture, and imprisonment of people with no charges. It also, of course, excludes all the other bombing and invading and occupying that the U.S. has carried out during this time period in other parts of the world, including in Central America and the Caribbean, as well as various proxy wars in Africa.


"War is itself terrorism"

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But more ominous, perhaps, than the occupation of Iraq is the occupation of the US. I wake up in the morning, read the newspaper, and feel that we are an occupied country, that some alien group has taken over. I wake up thinking: the US is in the grip of a president surrounded by thugs in suits who care nothing about human life abroad or here, who care nothing about freedom abroad or here, who care nothing about what happens to the earth, the water or the air, or what kind of world will be inherited by our children and grandchildren.

More Americans are beginning to feel, like the soldiers in Iraq, that something is terribly wrong. More and more every day the lies are being exposed. And then there is the largest lie, that everything the US does is to be pardoned because we are engaged in a "war on terrorism", ignoring the fact that war is itself terrorism, that barging into homes and taking away people and subjecting them to torture is terrorism, that invading and bombing other countries does not give us more security but less.
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Re: USA warned that it's China policy could spark WW3
Reply #11 - May 24th, 2015 at 3:55pm
 
Swagman wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 2:21pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Swagman wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:35pm:
The paranoia is from China.
Here we go!!!! You do know swag those islands are close to China and not America.  Or do you subscribe to the idea that if America goes to fight there it will be to fight for their freedom.   


No I subscribe to the theory that if the USA was the boogie man it would have taken over the world when it was the only country to have the A bomb
A naive and childish approach to understanding geopolitics.  You can't take over the world with just A bombs or militarily (didn't you learn anything from the US experience in Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq).   Also there are other more effective ways of taking over the world, which the americans have ferociously practices with considerable success since the end of WW2. You're fairy tale belief that america does no wrong is one major reason why the world is such a dangerous place.
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Reply #12 - May 24th, 2015 at 4:08pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 3:55pm:
Also there are other more effective ways of taking over the world


Yep by ochlocratic eco-socialists expanding government and enslaving the rich....the new world order (disorder)  Sad
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ImSpartacus2 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:30pm:
US Foreign policy has gone absolutely haywire since 9/11.  It looks like paranoia to me.  But NOT from fear that they may be attacked. It's more like fear that they may be losing their number 1 status in the world and that therefore they need to pick a fight to prove themselves.  What's troubling is that there are the stupid Righties on this forum who will happily support anything the US does and it wont be long before we hear them arguing that America has every right to start WW3 over some worthless barren islands in the South China Sea. 


You've hit the nail on the head. The once mighty empire will not go down in a heap of debt, wiped off the economic map because of a booming East and a soon to be booming South America.

China was bound to come looking for their money sooner or later anyway and America can't pay it back because they are bankrupt, economically and morally.
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Reply #14 - May 24th, 2015 at 5:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 2:12pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 1:45pm:
Svengali wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:40pm:
longweekend58 wrote on May 24th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
you seem to be conveniently ignoring Chinas expansionist acts in the south china sea.


As opposed to USA's expansionist acts in Middle East and Ukraine?


it is hard to understand how you dress yourself in the morning with that level of ignorance.  I presume someone has to change your diaper for you.

USA has occupied ZERO countries outside of WW2



Except :
Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Lebanon, Bosnia, Kuwait,  Iraq & Afghanistan.


Longy is forgiven

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i forget you were stupid.  OCCUPY AND STAY.  they never occupied korea in any fashion nor Kuwait.  and they never stayed in any.

it is so hard to debate when some of your are dumber than rocks.
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