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How old is your TV set?
May 16th, 2015 at 11:16am
 
I bought mine on 30 May 2002 at Retravision for $1500.

TC-80V95A

13 years and as crystal clear as when I first bought it.

When I bought it it needed a Set Top Box, but technology now means the DVD-Player you plug into it has its own STB.

Down at the TV repair shop in my local area it's literally wall-to-wall with a score of flat-screen LCD and Plasma TV's needing expensive repairs.

My only regret is that it can't handle a USB flash drive to play movies etc on it.
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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2015 at 11:46am
 
About 6 yrs old.
Watch more stuff online on my imac now.

TVs are going the way of the cassette player.
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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:02pm
 
26" flat-screen in lounge - 4 years.

16" flat-screen in bedroom - 6 years (approx. - acquired second-hand).

21" CRT currently not in use - 10 years.
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
we are blinded by technology now.. its a shame why cant we enjoy what we have.. you are being led by marketing these days...nothing wears out anymore.. we dont give it time..
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
Kat wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:02pm:
26" flat-screen in lounge - 4 years.

16" flat-screen in bedroom - 6 years (approx. - acquired second-hand).

21" CRT currently not in use - 10 years.


Under no circumstances 'dump' the Cathode Ray Tube TV set. If you get 'Home Invaded' - give them the flat-screen jobs but NOT the CRT one.

Those small flat-screen TVs of yours might last awhile. The ones I saw cluttering up this guy's workshop were all whoppers.

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Reply #5 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:21pm
 
cods wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:19pm:
we are blinded by technology now.. its a shame why cant we enjoy what we have.. you are being led by marketing these days...nothing wears out anymore.. we dont give it time..


I LOVE advances in technology.

You lucky devils will soon be able to enjoy 3D TV ~ something I'll be missing out on because I'm blind in one eye ... (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course ... unless you're cyclopsophobic, that is ... )

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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:28pm
 
Seven year old plasma. I don't use my DVD players anymore. I run the HDMI cable from the laptop for discs and internet content.
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:31pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:21pm:
cods wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:19pm:
we are blinded by technology now.. its a shame why cant we enjoy what we have.. you are being led by marketing these days...nothing wears out anymore.. we dont give it time..


I LOVE advances in technology.

You lucky devils will soon be able to enjoy 3D TV ~ something I'll be missing out on because I'm blind in one eye ... (not that there's anything wrong with that, of course ... unless you're cyclopsophobic, that is ... )




yeah you would like wearing glasses to watch 3D I can understand that..... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. being blind in one eye shouldnt stop you...not all shows are 3D though are they?...

you are a martyr to techo... how many phones do you have and or ipods....lolol...a house full I bet
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2015 at 12:34pm
 

42" flat-screen hooked to a PC & 1TB external drive in the lounge - 3 years old.

22" flat-screen in the bedroom - 5 years old.
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2015 at 1:05pm
 
I don't even own a TV.
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
I have a 20 inch flat screen tv that I watch my dvds in my bedroom, hooked up to my cd player for surround sound quality, whilst I lay in bed.

I also have a 26 inch flat screen television that I watch the free to air tv, out in the lounge room.

I have bought myself a Blu Ray player last year, that I consider an early Christmas present to myself. However, I'm still trying to get myself motivated to clean my bedroom enough to rearrange the stereo and replace the old dvd player. Intention is to hook the dvd player up to the lounge television, and use the blu ray for the bedroom television.
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2015 at 1:41pm
 
Marla wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
I don't even own a TV.


I suppose Marna watches her television on her computer? Something that is increasingly common amongst people.
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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2015 at 3:18pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:41pm:
Marla wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
I don't even own a TV.


I suppose Marna watches her television on her computer? Something that is increasingly common amongst people.



No shes a Mormon and they aren't allowed to watch TV.
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Reply #13 - May 16th, 2015 at 3:42pm
 
One set is about 3 years old, an LED I think. The only other one is ancient and small, maybe 20 yrs old with a STB.
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issuevoter wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
Seven year old plasma. I don't use my DVD players anymore. I run the HDMI cable from the laptop for discs and internet content.



I'm jealous.

My old crock can't take an HDMI cable and it can't play USB movies.

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UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:40pm:
I have a 20 inch flat screen tv that I watch my dvds in my bedroom, hooked up to my cd player for surround sound quality, whilst I lay in bed.


I also have a 26 inch flat screen television that I watch the free to air tv, out in the lounge room.

I have bought myself a Blu Ray player last year, that I consider an early Christmas present to myself. However, I'm still trying to get myself motivated to clean my bedroom enough to rearrange the stereo and replace the old dvd player. Intention is to hook the dvd player up to the lounge television, and use the blu ray for the bedroom television. [/quote]

I've had two blu-ray DVD-Player/Recorders for years now, but my old CRT Non-HDefinition Panasonic TV doesn't show the improvement, of course.

I'm up for a $6000 cataract-removal op in a couple of years time, so I'm not in the mood to buy an HD TV yet.
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2015 at 2:10am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:41pm:
Marla wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 1:05pm:
I don't even own a TV.


I suppose Marna watches her television on her computer? Something that is increasingly common amongst people.



It's M-A-R-L-A god damn it.

I rarely watch any television on any device. (American) sit-coms are just...terrible. Yes, I'm talking to you fans of the dismal 'Big Bang Theory' And I'll occasionally watch a football game merely for the betting. What else is the NFL good for?
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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2015 at 2:45am
 
One 32 inch LCD TV in the living room.

One 21.5 inch LCD TV in the bedroom (with the computer, blu-ray recorder/player connected to it.

I also have a Seleco DLP projector (not hi def) that I've had for about 15 years... haven't used it for several years now. I'll have to hook it up one day and try it out again.


Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 2:10am:
It's M-A-R-L-A god damn it.


lol... don't worry about them, Marla. I think they're doing it deliberately (or they need glasses). I've seen 'Maria' and 'Marna' so far. Have I missed any?  Smiley

Oh, and I definitely think Big Bang Theory is past it's use by date. In my opinion, it was OK until Amy and Bernadette joined as regulars... it was all downhill from there. I have nothing against Mayim Bialik (Amy) and Melissa Rauch (Bernadette) as actresses, of course.
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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2015 at 8:09am
 
I don't "get" the appeal of 'Big Bang Theory' I guess racist, misogynist sexist jokes are really funny when you pipe in an annoying laugh track. The acting is just as deplorable. Typecast one-trick pony actors who can barely read their scripts much less understand them.
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2015 at 8:11am
 
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:09am:
I don't "get" the appeal of 'Big Bang Theory' I guess racist, misogynist sexist jokes are really funny when you pipe in an annoying laugh track. The acting is just as deplorable. Typecast one-trick pony actors who can barely read their scripts much less understand them.
It sounds like you aint getting any Marla. You sound frustrated.
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2015 at 8:17am
 
Don't let me stop you from watching your brain dead show.
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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:17am:
Don't let me stop you from watching your brain dead show.
I don't watch your American crap. We actually do things in Australia instead of  eating greasy s hit junk food and building up a big fat ass.
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Like what, hump kangaroos and masturbate to Kylie Minogue?

Don't even start with nationalism and stereotypes with me. Not worth the effort. I just don't care.
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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Like what, hump kangaroos and masturbate to Kylie Minogue?

Don't even start with nationalism and stereotypes with me. Not worth the effort. I just don't care. 
I bet you are big and fat like most americans?? Masturbate over kylie Minouge. Oh yeah!!!!! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue Tongue Kiss Kiss I'm sick of using your photo.
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Reply #24 - May 19th, 2015 at 8:31am
 
You know, I never met an Australian I didn't like.

Until now.
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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:23am:
Like what, hump kangaroos and masturbate to Kylie Minogue?

Don't even start with nationalism and stereotypes with me. Not worth the effort. I just don't care. 


Root, Marina, not hump, root...and I'm not a Kylie fan.
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Root? That sounds so...so wrong.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 3:53pm:
I have bought myself a Blu Ray player last year, that I consider an early Christmas present to myself. However, I'm still trying to get myself motivated to clean my bedroom enough to rearrange the stereo and replace the old dvd player. Intention is to hook the dvd player up to the lounge television, and use the blu ray for the bedroom television.


I've had two blu-ray DVD-Player/Recorders for years now, but my old CRT Non-HDefinition Panasonic TV doesn't show the improvement, of course.

I'm up for a $6000 cataract-removal op in a couple of years time, so I'm not in the mood to buy an HD TV yet.
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Reply #28 - May 19th, 2015 at 8:59am
 
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:55am:
Root? That sounds so...so wrong.


then you're probably not doing it right
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Carl D wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 2:45am:
lol... don't worry about them, Marla. I think they're doing it deliberately (or they need glasses). I've seen 'Maria' and 'Marna' so far. Have I missed any?  Smiley


It's actually spelt (Amer. spelled) 'Mala', but let's not quibble. My grandmother was called 'Mala'.

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John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:59am:
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:55am:
Root? That sounds so...so wrong.


then you're probably not doing it right
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Listen to John, Marge, he's a kangarooter from way back...
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Not many kangaroos around here. Except for maybe the ones in the courts.

Okay, that was lame.
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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:04am:
Not many kangaroos around here. Except for maybe the ones in the courts.

Okay, that was lame.


Pennies in the Poor Box at church this Sunday, Please, Mala.
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The Heartless Felon wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:04am:
John Smith wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:59am:
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 8:55am:
Root? That sounds so...so wrong.


then you're probably not doing it right
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Listen to John, Marge, he's a kangarooter from way back...


my ex girlfriend was an aussie, I guess you could call her a kangaroot Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #34 - May 19th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
I don't know how big or old ours are. A few years, I guess. The one in our room has a built in DVD player which got some use, but it will probably become redundant now. We signed up for Netflix last night and we launched straight into season one of the IT Crowd connected between laptop and TV via HDMI.


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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:06am:
Pennies in the Poor Box at church this Sunday, Please, Mala.



You talk in strange, ancient hipster speak at times.
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Annie Anthrax wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:08am:
I don't know how big or old ours are. A few years, I guess. The one in our room has a built in DVD player which got some use, but it will probably become redundant now. We signed up for Netflix last night and we launched straight into season one of the IT Crowd connected between laptop and TV via HDMI.


Don't even try to explain the intricacies of this technical rats' nest, Annie.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:04am:
It's actually spelt (Amer. spelled) 'Mala', but let's not quibble. My grandmother was called 'Mala'.




My mom thought Marla would be a good Catholic name for a girl. Little did she know.
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You talk in strange, ancient hipster speak at times.


An aging refugee from Haight-Ashbury I ain't. I can't even play the guitar, and worse still I've never smoked dope.
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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:15am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:04am:
It's actually spelt (Amer. spelled) 'Mala', but let's not quibble. My grandmother was called 'Mala'.




My mom thought Marla would be a good Catholic name for a girl. Little did she know. 


That was naughty of her to try to brand you as belonging to a particular group in society that is non-inclusive of others.
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Reply #40 - May 19th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
A 2 year wait AND $6000 cost for cataract surgery Herb???????

(Respect if you don't wish to clarify)
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:22am:
That was naughty of her to try to brand you as belonging to a particular group in society that is non-inclusive of others.


The Church seems to be fond of little boys.
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A 2 year wait AND $6000 cost for cataract surgery Herb???????

(Respect if you don't wish to clarify)


Don't get me started

I've been stewing over this ever since this Chinese medico dropped this bomb-shell on me. It's the second Chinese Specialist doctor who has tried to rape me financially over the past few years.

Wanted to turn me into a pillow-biter, financially, of course.

The other doctor tried to channel me into his private money-making clinic to pay him $5000 for two kidney stones to be removed. After a heated argument he finally consented to sign a Letter of Referral to a public teaching hospital.

6 weeks later the stones were removed at no cost to me whatsoever. In fact they even gave me sandwiches and cups of tea at no cost to me whatsoever.

But WAIT - there's MORE: Within the next three years I needed more stones removed .... This Chinese conman could have milked me for a motsa, all told.

And
now
I have another oriental medico planning to squeeze me for $6000 at her private clinic.

Being the ultimate capitalists, the Chinese regard money as being essential to social prestige, aggrandizement, status in the community, 'face', self-worth, etc etc WAY beyond the values given to wealth that Western culture endows it with.

And sooo ... She's set me up to be another lamb for the slaughter.

She's got a disappointment coming to her. She said I'll need the cataracts removed in around 4 years from now.

And sooo ... as there's a 2 year waiting list for cataract removal in public hospitals, I'll be registering with a hospital in two years time.

I can't wait to see her face when she finds out ...

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Reply #43 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:09am
 
You do realise that you can take advantage of the capitalist system and see another bloody doctor right?


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Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:27am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:22am:
That was naughty of her to try to brand you as belonging to a particular group in society that is non-inclusive of others.


The Church seems to be fond of little boys.


Their discrimination against little girls has been appalling.

It has always been a Recruitment Centre for career-paedophiles, pillow-biters and bull-queers, homosexual sadomasochists, and self-flagellation neurotics.





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Reply #45 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:19am
 
I realise it's not my call Herb but I'd be going for an eye examination at OPSM  (it's bulk billed)........they can give you a referral to a cataract surgeon who would confirm, or refute, the 4 year time frame and would explain your options for surgery.  In terms of urgency, I've certainly heard of 2 year time frames, but never 4. If the public hospital waiting time is 2 years where you live, perhaps you'll be advised to book in now.
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Reply #46 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:41am
 
Alinta wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:19am:
I realise it's not my call Herb but I'd be going for an eye examination at OPSM  (it's bulk billed)........they can give you a referral to a cataract surgeon who would confirm, or refute, the 4 year time frame and would explain your options for surgery.  In terms of urgency, I've certainly heard of 2 year time frames, but never 4. If the public hospital waiting time is 2 years where you live, perhaps you'll be advised to book in now.


Croikey. Thanks for that, Alinta - that's very kind of you. I haven't been looking forward to the Clash of Wills between me and this money-grubbing creature.

I wouldn't mind if these specialists told me I have a choice between the public system and their private surgeries - but they never give a hint that there's a cost-free alternative to what they're offering at a cost of thousands of dollars.

THAT's what annoys me about them. They pretend there's no alternative except to become a patient of theirs at a cost of thousands of dollars - hoping that in our ignorance we don't realise there's a public hospital system that will do these expensive jobs for nothing.

How many Little Old Ladies and such are being suckered into their money-hungry clutches each year? It's a scandal, but the politicians don't want to touch it because once again it would involve Ethnic Voting Blocs and charges of 'racism'.

I'll follow your advice, Alinta - and thank you again.





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Re: How old is your TV set?
Reply #47 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:48am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:09am:
Their discrimination against little girls has been appalling.

It has always been a Recruitment Centre for career-paedophiles, pillow-biters and bull-queers, homosexual sadomasochists, and self-flagellation neurotics.



Nothing wrong with a little BDSM every now and then.





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Reply #48 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:57am
 
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:48am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:09am:
Their discrimination against little girls has been appalling.

It has always been a Recruitment Centre for career-paedophiles, pillow-biters and bull-queers, homosexual sadomasochists, and self-flagellation neurotics.



Nothing wrong with a little BDSM every now and then.


Oh Marla - how could you? Stop reading cods' posts. She's become a bad influence on you. You were so innocent and pollyanna-naive when you first arrived here, but codsey-baby has been corrupting you with posting up bits and pieces of her disgusting Mills and Boon style autobiography.

A good Catholic girl like you. Shame on you.
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Reply #49 - May 19th, 2015 at 11:04am
 
I've always been corrupted.

Besides, it's fun being tied up and spanked.
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Reply #50 - May 19th, 2015 at 11:11am
 
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 11:04am:
I've always been corrupted.

Besides, it's fun being tied up and spanked. 


Roll Eyes I'm not listening to any more of this.

I've got my fingers in my ears ... lalalalalala ....
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Reply #51 - May 20th, 2015 at 12:17am
 
Not sure exactly (found it in hard rubbish); a good fifteen years at least.

I think it's about time to upgrade  Grin
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Reply #52 - May 20th, 2015 at 9:53am
 
Maverick wrote on May 20th, 2015 at 12:17am:
found it in hard rubbish


And your ideology? (sorry -- couldn't resist! Carry on.)
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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?
 
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Reply #53 - May 20th, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
The latest TV development ...


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Re: How old is your TV set?
Reply #54 - May 20th, 2015 at 8:48pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 20th, 2015 at 2:06pm:
The latest TV development ...


link



where do you plug the antennae?
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #55 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:23am
 
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I don't "get" the appeal of 'Big Bang Theory' I guess racist, misogynist sexist jokes are really funny when you pipe in an annoying laugh track. The acting is just as deplorable. Typecast one-trick pony actors who can barely read their scripts much less understand them.


I think the general tone of the show is just down to earth kind of comedy. The jokes are quite funny, and clean (for most part). If you are shocked by anything racist or misogynistic, then you might not want to leave your house.

We don't have many modern comedies in Australia. So, we aren't such to talk.
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Re: How old is your TV set?
Reply #56 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:28am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:06am:
Marla wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:04am:
Not many kangaroos around here. Except for maybe the ones in the courts.

Okay, that was lame.


Pennies in the Poor Box at church this Sunday, Please, Mala.


I think that one deserves a C-note minimum at the East Timorese Catholic church.
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Reply #57 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:31am
 
Alinta wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:24am:
A 2 year wait AND $6000 cost for cataract surgery Herb???????

(Respect if you don't wish to clarify)


I think someone should be hired to shoot laser pointers at his face, and just save him time and money.
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Re: How old is your TV set?
Reply #58 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:34am
 
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when you pipe in an annoying laugh track


The Big Bang Theory does not have a "laugh track".

It is recorded in front of a live studio audience.
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"Masks are sand in the gears of the economy" - some f-wit pollie or big business CEO.
 
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Re: How old is your TV set?
Reply #59 - Jun 3rd, 2015 at 12:35am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:09am:
You do realise that you can take advantage of the capitalist system and see another bloody doctor right?

buggeren hell, so much whining.


Herbert doesn't seem like the type of guy willing to cough up pillow feathers for extortion by Chinese doctors. He seems like a patient guy.
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