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May 15th, 2015 at 8:31am
 
Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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does seem strange when you see the Govt Ads depicting it as out of control and the addicts. in a very disturbing scary way....I often wonder where these figures come from?.. dont tell me the streets or maybe even the dealers themselves...they would really be the only ones with the true figures.....

it looks horrific by the ads...but lets be honest.. it will be replaced with something else when a shortage hits the market...seems we have a lot of self destructive people these days..they cant wait to try anything..
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2015 at 10:55am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:31am:
Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.
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cods wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51am:
does seem strange when you see the Govt Ads depicting it as out of control and the addicts. in a very disturbing scary way....I often wonder where these figures come from?.. dont tell me the streets or maybe even the dealers themselves...they would really be the only ones with the true figures.....

it looks horrific by the ads...but lets be honest.. it will be replaced with something else when a shortage hits the market...seems we have a lot of self destructive people these days..they cant wait to try anything..


We keep hearing about 'ice' being 'extremely addictive', and yet this university drug specialist who has been researching this for years says it's WAY less addictive than heroin or even tobacco.

Someone's telling porkies.

Our NSW Chief Commissioner of Police Andrew Scipione says 'ice' could bring Australia to its knees if it continues to go unchecked. He said it's use is now in epidemic proportions.

And then the Abbott government has channelled "many more millions to tackle this problem".

All nonsense, of course.

There is no sincerity by either the police hierarchy or the politicians about dealing with this plague effectively.

As Radio 2GB's Brian Wilshire said on his program: "How come every Village Idiot in town can find the ice dealers in quick time and with no problems at all - and yet the police need millions of extra taxpayer dollars to find these dealers and have them locked up?"

He's right, of course.

The biggest cocaine sniffers in town are the North Shore mob. The Arts crowd and the professionals.


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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:15pm
 
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:31am:
Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.


yes, i'ld query the validity of those figures also.
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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:18pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:15pm:
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 8:31am:
Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.


yes, i'ld query the validity of those figures also.


They're not my figures.
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Reply #6 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm
 
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day
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Reply #7 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:37pm
 
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


yep, staying awake for days on end is not good.
I'ld bet much of the savage violence comes from ice.

It's a brain wrecker.
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Reply #8 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

Our NSW Chief Commissioner of Police Andrew Scipione says 'ice' could bring Australia to its knees if it continues to go unchecked. He said it's use is now in epidemic proportions.

And then the Abbott government has channelled "many more millions to tackle this problem".

All nonsense, of course.



No herb, its understated if anything. I started seeing this 20 years ago and accurately predicted the dire circumstances we are in as regards to meth use then. Long term meth use will cause psychosis in 100 percent of addicts, we now have a tsunami of mental illness in this country due to meth use, suicidal mentally  ill people are routinely turned away from mental health institutions because there are no resources for them, this is partly responsible for our huge youth suicide rate, all the resources are being used on meth addicts. You just have no idea herb.
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Reply #9 - May 15th, 2015 at 1:52pm
 
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


I watched them come down as patients in the A&E at St Vincents hospital next the 'Cross. There's been a serialised doco on it.

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Reply #10 - May 15th, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
The problem with methamphetamine use isn't strictly related to addiction.

Many acute issues arise from first time users.
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Reply #11 - May 15th, 2015 at 11:44pm
 
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


yes, junkies nod off.
Ice addicts run wild after being awake and hyped for 3 days.
They are paranoid, hyperactive, aggressive.
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Reply #12 - May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm
 
I'd have thought 15% was a bit high.

I've smoked the pipe many a time... as have quite a few people I know.

Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a small town and witnessed a couple of individuals who were obviously way better off, well away from the gear. So, I'll certainly agree that there is a small percentage who go on to develop a problem with the stuff.

It's been a couple of years since I last used it and despite access to it not being that difficult, I have no desire to use it again. Certainly no desire to actually seek it out and use it. The last drug I used was Ecstasy and I'd much rather that than Ice.

It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:


Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a  .
strange, out of all the people I know, every single one has developed an addiction to ice. Ive only known thousands, what about you?
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:


It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.
sorry pal, and consider this an expert opinion. Ice is way more addictive than heroin, you will understand this better when you understand what both these substances do to the human nervous system and physiology, heroin isnt even close.
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Lord Herbert wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:52pm:
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


I watched them come down as patients in the A&E at St Vincents hospital next the 'Cross. There's been a serialised doco on it.

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what? Over A few hours? Thats not coming down for meth addicts herb, methheads take months to come down,  some, never. With hardcore addicts, thats it, does something to the frontal lobe Im sure, because they display the same lack of control that many people with FAS do, we know those with FAS have poor impulse control because it does something to the frontal lobe which destroys the impulse governing part. Long term methheads display the same symptoms, some never recover. So we can imply that meth also does something to the frontal lobe, we know it destroys serotonin producing brain cells with a single use, this is why severe depression results with non use.Maybe you can understand what lack of impulse control does, you feel angry, pow, you lash out. You want something, must have it immediately, sex, food, violence, etc, etc, That sort of thing. For life. Of course, not everyone will get addicted, thats like any drug, but for those who do and in my experience much higher than 15 percent, its a horrible, horrible descent for them and their families.
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:
I'd have thought 15% was a bit high.

I've smoked the pipe many a time... as have quite a few people I know.

Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a small town and witnessed a couple of individuals who were obviously way better off, well away from the gear. So, I'll certainly agree that there is a small percentage who go on to develop a problem with the stuff.

It's been a couple of years since I last used it and despite access to it not being that difficult, I have no desire to use it again. Certainly no desire to actually seek it out and use it. The last drug I used was Ecstasy and I'd much rather that than Ice.

It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.


There are a lot of 'Weekend' heroin users in Sydney who otherwise lead normal lives and are productive members of society.

I suppose it's the same with alcohol that only a minority percentage have the genes in them that hook them into addiction.

Same with gambling. Same with homosexuals. Same with mental disorders.

It's always that guaranteed 10% or so who go off the rails.
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rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


What a load of crap. I work directly with "these people", and ice is not physically addictive. Heroin is.

You’re a truck driver from Western Sydney, Homo. You should know.
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Reply #18 - May 17th, 2015 at 2:45pm
 
cods wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 10:51am:
does seem strange when you see the Govt Ads depicting it as out of control and the addicts. in a very disturbing scary way....I often wonder where these figures come from?.. dont tell me the streets or maybe even the dealers themselves...they would really be the only ones with the true figures.....

it looks horrific by the ads...but lets be honest.. it will be replaced with something else when a shortage hits the market...seems we have a lot of self destructive people these days..they cant wait to try anything..


Ice use is destructive. Physically addictive, it isn’t.

Anti-drug campaigns rarely provide facts.
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Reply #19 - May 17th, 2015 at 4:25pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 17th, 2015 at 2:19pm:
rhino wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 1:34pm:
Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in  that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day


What a load of crap. I work directly with "these people", and ice is not physically addictive. Heroin is.

You’re a truck driver from Western Sydney, Homo. You should know.
no you dont. Theres no way ice cant be physically addictive if you know how it works.
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Reply #20 - May 17th, 2015 at 4:30pm
 
rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:12am:
Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:


It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.
sorry pal, and consider this an expert opinion. Ice is way more addictive than heroin, you will understand this better when you understand what both these substances do to the human nervous system and physiology, heroin isnt even close.



Lol you mean blocking opiate receptors in the brain.
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Reply #21 - May 18th, 2015 at 8:53am
 
my daughter in laws brother is in the local Jail..[alexander Maconichie]has been for a while now...drugs and a hold up...sadly he appears to have cooked his brain almost zombiefied.. hes 36..barely talks.looks like death. no teeth... when they finally release him he will be let loose into the same culture as they found him..... instead of arguing about what this drug does and what that drug does..what about changing the system...his mother was told there are more drugs inside the jail than outside....he has been in there for more than 6 years..was released but he failed a drug test.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so is now staying longer.. in an environment that is doing bugger all for him...and many others....
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cods wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 8:53am:
my daughter in laws brother is in the local Jail..[alexander Maconichie]has been for a while now...drugs and a hold up...sadly he appears to have cooked his brain almost zombiefied.. hes 36..barely talks.looks like death. no teeth... when they finally release him he will be let loose into the same culture as they found him..... instead of arguing about what this drug does and what that drug does..what about changing the system...his mother was told there are more drugs inside the jail than outside....he has been in there for more than 6 years..was released but he failed a drug test.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so is now staying longer.. in an environment that is doing bugger all for him...and many others....


How come he could find the drug dealers like others go to the local barbers for a haircut ~ but the cops can't?

Answer: The bureaucrats don't want to further overload a jail system that is already bursting at the seams.

The 'get-tough on drugs' posturing recently put out by the government is solid gold bullshit.

And you can quote me, codsey-baby.  Smiley





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Reply #23 - May 18th, 2015 at 10:30am
 
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........The 'get-tough on drugs' posturing recently put out by the government is solid gold bullshit......


the 'war on drugs' was lost decades ago.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:30am:
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the 'war on drugs' was lost decades ago. 



Yep, pretty much the moment after it was referred to as a war.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on May 18th, 2015 at 10:30am:
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........The 'get-tough on drugs' posturing recently put out by the government is solid gold bullshit......


the 'war on drugs' was lost decades ago. 


Wrong.

The 'War on Drugs' was never undertaken with any sincerity because it would have meant locking up half the population of Sydney's aboriginal ghetto of Redfern.

And then there was a 'famous' Lebanese 'Crime Family' who used to sell hard drugs openly from a caravan they regularly parked in the Redfern area to 'service' the local Abos.

The 'War on Drugs' never got off the ground because it was too enmeshed with 'Race Politics' ~ and federal and State MPs in certain 'Migrant Electorates' not wanting to jeopardise their voting base by upsetting the local ethnics.

And then there's the North Shore professionals who need their cocaine and heroin supply. The pollies know it would be a very unpopular move for them to make too many 'busts' as with each 'bust' cocaine prices go sky high ...






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Reply #26 - May 19th, 2015 at 9:50pm
 
Rhino,
You're like someone who has had a few hours in-house training about the use and effects of Meth/Ice and have misunderstood half of it, seized upon a few points and arrived at a conclusion that is way off the mark.
I think it's safe to assume that in work you deal with the extreme cases of meth use.

I'm guessing you're a cop, ambo or warden... which one is it?
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Reply #27 - May 19th, 2015 at 9:55pm
 
It's not that easy to score. Even pot.

Go up to the Cross and try to get on.
You might end up with a rip off deal of pot, but it's unlikely you're going to be able to purchase something like Heroin or Cocaine. Well, you might part with your cash, but you're extremely unlikely to end up with anything apart from a bit of crushed Gyprock.

That being said, it is strange that once you know what to look for, you can be dropped anywhere in Australian and manage to score successfully within a few hours.

That pretty much goes for the whole world. In my opinion, it's far easier to get on in Singapore, that epitome of "hard on drugs", than what it is in somewhere like Kings Cross or Redfern.
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:50pm:
Rhino,
You're like someone who has had a few hours in-house training about the use and effects of Meth/Ice and have misunderstood half of it, seized upon a few points and arrived at a conclusion that is way off the mark.
I think it's safe to assume that in work you deal with the extreme cases of meth use.

I'm guessing you're a cop, ambo or warden... which one is it?

nah, 25 years. Im an expert.
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rhino wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 10:21pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on May 19th, 2015 at 9:50pm:
Rhino,
You're like someone who has had a few hours in-house training about the use and effects of Meth/Ice and have misunderstood half of it, seized upon a few points and arrived at a conclusion that is way off the mark.
I think it's safe to assume that in work you deal with the extreme cases of meth use.

I'm guessing you're a cop, ambo or warden... which one is it?

nah, 25 years. Im an expert.


Yeah? It really doesn't show. You hide it well.
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Have another hit on your bong and believe what you want to.
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Reply #31 - May 19th, 2015 at 10:33pm
 
Sorry, but like just about everything else that relates to drugs, you've arrived at the wrong conclusion.

I don't smoke pot.
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Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:


Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a  .
strange, out of all the people I know, every single one has developed an addiction to ice. Ive only known thousands, what about you?



I do not know you Rhino, but I do know that your proclamation above is completely wrong.

Ice is no doubt bad, as is all speed in my opinion, mainly because it makes most people go loopy with prolonged excess usage.
However, that does not mean it is addictive, like Heroin, much more like marihuana it is a case of people becoming dependent upon it psychologically, not physically.
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rhino wrote on May 16th, 2015 at 12:12am:
Life_goes_on wrote on May 15th, 2015 at 11:46pm:


It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.
sorry pal, and consider this an expert opinion. Ice is way more addictive than heroin, you will understand this better when you understand what both these substances do to the human nervous system and physiology, heroin isnt even close.
 

Talking out yer bum. Smack is the most addictive. Other stuff people want, smack you need. Cold turkey gets real old, real quick. Many millions of dollars invested in one's veins tells a story in itself. some years may only stick 250 k in, other years, 2 to 3 million. This will be a bit over the 1  mark year. It varies, depending on how much money you make.
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