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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	This surprised me - the low addiction rate to 'ice May 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%. And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'. link
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Reply #1 - May 15^th, 2015 at 10:51am

does seem strange when you see the Govt Ads depicting it as out of control and the addicts. in a very disturbing scary way....I often wonder where these figures come from?.. dont tell me the streets or maybe even the dealers themselves...they would really be the only ones with the true figures.....

it looks horrific by the ads...but lets be honest.. it will be replaced with something else when a shortage hits the market...seems we have a lot of self destructive people these days..they cant wait to try anything..

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Reply #2 - May 15^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.

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Reply #3 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:10pm

cods wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

does seem strange when you see the Govt Ads depicting it as out of control and the addicts. in a very disturbing scary way....I often wonder where these figures come from?.. dont tell me the streets or maybe even the dealers themselves...they would really be the only ones with the true figures.....

it looks horrific by the ads...but lets be honest.. it will be replaced with something else when a shortage hits the market...seems we have a lot of self destructive people these days..they cant wait to try anything..

We keep hearing about 'ice' being 'extremely addictive', and yet this university drug specialist who has been researching this for years says it's WAY less addictive than heroin or even tobacco.

Someone's telling porkies.

Our NSW Chief Commissioner of Police Andrew Scipione says 'ice' could bring Australia to its knees if it continues to go unchecked. He said it's use is now in epidemic proportions.

And then the Abbott government has channelled "many more millions to tackle this problem".

All nonsense, of course.

There is no sincerity by either the police hierarchy or the politicians about dealing with this plague effectively.

As Radio 2GB's Brian Wilshire said on his program: "How come every Village Idiot in town can find the ice dealers in quick time and with no problems at all - and yet the police need millions of extra taxpayer dollars to find these dealers and have them locked up?"

He's right, of course.

The biggest cocaine sniffers in town are the North Shore mob. The Arts crowd and the professionals.

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Reply #4 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.

yes, i'ld query the validity of those figures also.

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Reply #5 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:18pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 8:31am:

Quote: The addiction rate to Ice is around 15% ... addiction to heroin is around 50% ... and addiction to smoking tobacco is around 95%.

And furthermore it takes something like an entire year for the 15% who are prone to addiction to ice to become 'hooked'.

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think your figures are wrong Herb.

yes, i'ld query the validity of those figures also.

They're not my figures.

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Reply #7 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:37pm

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day

yep, staying awake for days on end is not good.
I'ld bet much of the savage violence comes from ice.

It's a brain wrecker.

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Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:10pm:

Our NSW Chief Commissioner of Police Andrew Scipione says 'ice' could bring Australia to its knees if it continues to go unchecked. He said it's use is now in epidemic proportions.

And then the Abbott government has channelled "many more millions to tackle this problem".

All nonsense, of course.

No herb, its understated if anything. I started seeing this 20 years ago and accurately predicted the dire circumstances we are in as regards to meth use then. Long term meth use will cause psychosis in 100 percent of addicts, we now have a tsunami of mental illness in this country due to meth use, suicidal mentally ill people are routinely turned away from mental health institutions because there are no resources for them, this is partly responsible for our huge youth suicide rate, all the resources are being used on meth addicts. You just have no idea herb.

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Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2015 at 1:52pm

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day

I watched them come down as patients in the A&E at St Vincents hospital next the 'Cross. There's been a serialised doco on it.

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Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

rhino wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Not buying it herb, couldnt find those figures in that article, I deal directly with these people, you aint seen nothing till you seen an ice addict come down. prefer heroin junkies any day

yes, junkies nod off.
Ice addicts run wild after being awake and hyped for 3 days.
They are paranoid, hyperactive, aggressive.

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Reply #12 - May 15^th, 2015 at 11:46pm

I'd have thought 15% was a bit high.

I've smoked the pipe many a time... as have quite a few people I know.

Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a small town and witnessed a couple of individuals who were obviously way better off, well away from the gear. So, I'll certainly agree that there is a small percentage who go on to develop a problem with the stuff.

It's been a couple of years since I last used it and despite access to it not being that difficult, I have no desire to use it again. Certainly no desire to actually seek it out and use it. The last drug I used was Ecstasy and I'd much rather that than Ice.

It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.

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Reply #13 - May 16^th, 2015 at 12:07am

Life_goes_on wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

Out of the people I've known who have used meth/ice, none have gone on to have any kind of problem with it.
I wouldn't have thought it possible until I was living in a .

strange, out of all the people I know, every single one has developed an addiction to ice. Ive only known thousands, what about you?

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Reply #14 - May 16^th, 2015 at 12:12am

Life_goes_on wrote on May 15^th, 2015 at 11:46pm:

It's certainly nowhere - not even vaguely close - to being as addictive as Heroin.

sorry pal, and consider this an expert opinion. Ice is way more addictive than heroin, you will understand this better when you understand what both these substances do to the human nervous system and physiology, heroin isnt even close.

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