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May 9th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
http://www.ozpolitic.com/evolution/evolution-not-scientific-theory.html

I originally introduced this article with the statement that evolution should not be taught in high school science classes because it is not a scientific theory. While this was a great way to capture people's attention, it was prone to misinterpretation, most often as the claim that evolution should not be taught in high school. This misinterpretation also highlights some practical issues - should we create a separate class, or teach half of evolution in ancient history? Or perhaps another purely semantic one - should we stop calling biology science? I do not think we should do either of these, as most of the actual work in biology is science. I think it is sufficient to take the opportunity to highlight to students that evolution is not falsifiable and not scientific. This would help to reinforce the more important lesson, which I think should be the first thing that is taught in high school science. Although I introduced this article as a political topic, it is essentially a philosophical debate - albeit an important philosophical debate that would do wonders to cure the excesses of the current political one, particularly in the US.

Now that I have added a purpose to this website (establishing a political party, or at the very least, communicating a political position, rather than merely promoting debate) it is time for the more practical, and more political argument - what should be taught? I do think evolution should be taught. However, the important message here is that the modern scientific method should be taught. I would also throw in a cut-down version of Kuhn's philosophy. A good place to teach this is in the first year of high school, or at a time when science is still a combined subject, before it is split into various topics like biology and chemistry. This would, in my opinion, go some way to preventing the drift of students away from pure and applied sciences, particularly if combined with the insights of Thomas Kuhn.

The key problem causing this drift, in my opinion, is that science education, or "becoming a scientist" is fundamentally different from the practice. It is a process of indoctrination. On the other hand, practicing science, or "being a scientist" is a process of exploration and discovery, and if you are really good at it, destruction and creation (that is, a creative process). Learning science is a process of memorisation and regurgitation. It is a process of learning by doing. Concepts and ways of viewing the world are taught by employing them to reach a conclusion - the correct conclusion, or the 'right answer'. The purpose of experiments in an educational setting are an extension of this process - doing with your hands what students spend most of their time doing with diagrams, equations and words. The nominal purpose of these experiments is to affirm, or verify the theory (or dominant paradigm in Kuhn's parlance). This charade is even maintained when teaching students theories that are demonstrably false, and that establish incorrect ways of understanding the world (for example, Newtonian Mechanics). In contrast, the purpose of real scientific experiments is to attempt to disprove theories. There is little value in repeating experiments done by your colleagues countless times, unless you expect to get a different answer (though by failing to do so, you do contribute to the body of knowledge). The purpose of reading your colleagues papers is to confirm and eventually establish your view of them (they are idiots and have it all wrong), or to find inspiration for your own contribution that extends or refutes their work.

I am not suggesting we change this situation. As Kuhn correctly points out, it is an absolutely necessary part of the progress of science. I am merely suggesting that we inform students of it. We should tell them (and occasionally remind them) that there is an end in sight to the endless drudgery of 'learning' science, and that it is a lot closer than it appears. Our current scientific knowlege in any field, having been completely discarded at a fairly recent point in the history of science, is only gradually being replaced by the current paradigm, which is slowly expanding. The more onerous the task of grasping the current paradigm, the more likely it is that a student may become involved in discarding it, for complexity is an indication that it is being challenged on many fronts and that scientists are having trouble maintaining it. Simplicity indicates it is a relatively new paradigm and is expanding without challenge. Students must know that the image of scientists politiely discussing and deducing from their observations in a logical manner is a false image created by the superficial inclusion of snippets of science's history in textbooks. Science is a political process, full of rivalry and backstabbing, personal glory and the destruction of reputations. Experimentation is challenging, not because you only have 45 minutes to get it correct and you are not a good chef, but because you lack the imagination to come up with a good experiment to do. Your role as a scientist is not to learn, but to contribute new knowledge by expanding the current paradigm, and ultimately to disprove it and replace it with something of your own creation.
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Re: the place of evolution in education
Reply #1 - May 9th, 2015 at 1:38pm
 
I don't think there is any debate. Everyone has their minds made up already.
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Reply #2 - May 9th, 2015 at 4:55pm
 
Evolution should be taught in schools.

Creationisn should not.

While evolution may only be a theory (albeit a very sound one), it is at least based upon science and reality.

Creationism has no basis in reality at all, scientific or otherwise. It is, essentially, nothing but a myth.

A myth which has been comprehensively debunked. By both science and reality.

I would not be happy about my kids being taught creationism, except as the usual part of scripture studies.
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Reply #3 - May 9th, 2015 at 5:36pm
 
Bravo, Kat!  Well said!  Cool
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Reply #4 - May 9th, 2015 at 6:50pm
 
When it was first observed by Darwin, we had no transitional fossils and no evidence of new species being created.  The lack of future observations of these things WOULD have meant his theory was incorrect.

But we have of course found such things, and as such expanded on the theory of evolution.  Darwin also got a lot of things wrong in his original species that have since been discovered.  I'm not really sure why you are saying that evolution isn't a scientific theory.

Also, you can observe evolution in modern animals as well, but as they take millions of years to really show the really obvious differences.  Many examples of observed evolution in the last few years.  One off the top of my head is a particular type of cells that have evolved a trait that allows them to live eating nylon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria

Obviously if anything contains the ingestion of nylon it can't be "ancient history"
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Reply #5 - May 9th, 2015 at 7:47pm
 


A great OP, particularly the 3rd paragraph.

".....the purpose of real scientific experiments is to attempt to disprove theories."


The practice of science should be about encouraging a spirit of exploration and seeking [undiscovered] truth.

Engaging in a 'process' to seek out and publish [only] evidence proving [i.e. defending] a hypothesis which we agree with [or maybe, being driven by a pecuniary or personal motive to try to prove a hypothesis], is not science.




re Stratos,

Google;
evolution, creation, have transitional fossils been found


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Reply #6 - May 9th, 2015 at 7:50pm
 
issuevoter wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 1:38pm:
I don't think there is any debate. Everyone has their minds made up already.



That attitude of mind is called 'prejudice'.

Pre-judge.



There is a lot of it about.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22  Abstain from all appearance of evil.

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Reply #7 - May 9th, 2015 at 8:04pm
 
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The lack of future observations of these things WOULD have meant his theory was incorrect.


Wrong. There were times in the future (ie after he came up with the theory) when those things were lacking. There still are. The theory was not incorrect until those things were found. There was not some magic number of years after which the theory became wrong, or would have become wrong. Even if they were never found, it would not disprove the theory.

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But we have of course found such things, and as such expanded on the theory of evolution.


Yes. It is very adaptable. We also found lots of white swans, which is exactly what the widely believed white swan theory predicted.

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Darwin also got a lot of things wrong in his original species that have since been discovered.  I'm not really sure why you are saying that evolution isn't a scientific theory.


Because it is not falsifiable. That argument is in the link I gave, but not the bit I copied and pasted.

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Also, you can observe evolution in modern animals as well


You can observe natural selection.

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One off the top of my head is a particular type of cells that have evolved a trait that allows them to live eating nylon.


How do you know this capability was not already present?

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Obviously if anything contains the ingestion of nylon it can't be "ancient history"


This is not obvious at all. This sounds rather unfalsifiable.
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Reply #8 - May 9th, 2015 at 8:49pm
 
God will send all Young Earth Creationists to Hell.  Cool
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Reply #9 - May 9th, 2015 at 9:12pm
 
A static fossil record would falsify evolution. 

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 8:04pm:
You can observe natural selection.


Which leads to evolution.  New species have been observed regularly.

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 8:04pm:
How do you know this capability was not already present?


Comparison between the new cells and their ancestors that do not have that trait.

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 8:04pm:
How do you know this capability was not already present?


Because it is isolated to the groups that have evolved to live in nylon rich environments.

Yadda wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 7:47pm:
evolution, creation, have transitional fossils been found


yes they have, hundreds and hundreds.
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Reply #10 - May 9th, 2015 at 9:14pm
 
Should Astronomy be taught in schools?
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Reply #11 - May 9th, 2015 at 9:19pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Should Astronomy be taught in schools?


Yes

Did you mean astrology?
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Reply #12 - May 9th, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
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Which leads to evolution.
 

Does natural selection lead to universal common ancestry?

Is this 'leading' an observation?

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New species have been observed regularly.


What you really mean is that new species have been declared regularly. Animals are observed. Species are a projection of our understanding onto our observations.

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Comparison between the new cells and their ancestors that do not have that trait.


So if a red head is born to blond parents, he is a new species?

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Because it is isolated to the groups that have evolved to live in nylon rich environments.


How do you know this?

Also, are you suggesting that several groups evolved this way independently?

How does the isolation prove that the capability was not already present?
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Reply #13 - May 10th, 2015 at 12:01am
 
John_Taverner wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 8:49pm:
God will send all Young Earth Creationists to Hell.  Cool


Oh, i hope not!

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Reply #14 - May 10th, 2015 at 6:20am
 
Stratos wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 9:19pm:
John_Taverner wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 9:14pm:
Should Astronomy be taught in schools?


Yes

Did you mean astrology?


No. According to Freediver's point of view, Astronomy is unscientific because it cannot be falsified or verfied. Everything we observe happened in the past. However, maybe he advocates teaching astrology as an alternative.

I wonder what other generally accepted scientific disciplines are non-scientific by his definition?
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