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Reply #15 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

... wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Vic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

should vaccination be compulsory?

Nope. Sovereignty of your body is inviolable. Forcing something into it against your will is rape.

Not quite there yet: "Next Blue Moon is the second full moon of July, 2015."

However, I agree with Honky 100%.

How can any reasonable person believe that they have the right to make a drug compulsory?

I believe you would have the right when society is in danger. For example, mental health patients to protect society if they turn violent.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131543 Gender:	Re: Will you vaccinate or not? Reply #17 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm: The government does plenty of things to us already without our consent. Taxes? Compulsory education? Compulsory driver licensing? Registration of cars, etc etc. That's a whole different ball game to drugs.
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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #18 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

The government does plenty of things to us already without our consent. Taxes? Compulsory education? Compulsory driver licensing? Registration of cars, etc etc.

That's a whole different ball game to drugs.

Why?

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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #19 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 6:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:39pm:

The government does plenty of things to us already without our consent. Taxes? Compulsory education? Compulsory driver licensing? Registration of cars, etc etc.

That's a whole different ball game to drugs.

Why?

Drugs are introduced into your body.

And, as Honky so rightly said, "sovereignty of your body is inviolable."

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Reply #20 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 6:09pm

It's no longer a decision I have to worry about, as all my kids/step-kids are well
and truly grown themselves now (I even have a step-grandson...

).

But when we did have to decide, we both opted for the needle. None of the kids
ever suffered from any major side-effects, none had autism, ADHD or any other
developmental issues. And none ever caught the diseases they'd been vaxed
against, although some of their un-vaxed friends did.

Regarding the current debate, I was initially inclined to agree that making it
virtually mandatory to vax was a good idea, although I opposed the proposed
penalties for non-compliance and the implication that only welfare recips don't
vax.

But I have changed my mind. I now believe encouragement and education to
be the way to tackle this issue, not mandating and penalising.

On a lighter note: Back in 1997 I took my step-daughter Becka to the doc for
her booster shots as she was about to start school. As you can imagine, she
was a bit apprehensive about the affair so, to help her to realise that there
was nothing to be afraid of, and as I was overdue for one anyway, I had a
quick word with the doc, and rolled up my sleeve for a tetanus booster.

And of course, it hurt like Hell. 'See, darling, there's nothing to... F^%K!!!...
..be scared of'. Here's me trying to smile and reassure her, and all the while
it feels like I've just had my whole arm amputated... It worked though, she
had hers without a murmur ('and it didn't hurt at all, Daddy, only a little').

Ya gotta love 'em! Smiley

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131543 Gender:	Re: Will you vaccinate or not? Reply #21 - Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm Kat wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 6:09pm: I now believe encouragement and education to be the way to tackle this issue, not mandating and penalising. Bingo!
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10310 Gender:	Re: Will you vaccinate or not? Reply #22 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 11:51am Hundreds of children brain damaged by the swine flu vaccine to receive $90 million in financial compensation from UK government Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/049423_swine_flu_vaccine_brain_damage_financial_compensation.html#ixzz3Y5ipH6dx
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131543 Gender:	Re: Will you vaccinate or not? Reply #23 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 11:53am "The swine flu vaccine caused severe brain damage in over 800 children across Europe, and the UK government has now agreed to pay $90 million in compensation to those victims as part of a vaccine injury settlement."
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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #25 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

... wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Vic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

should vaccination be compulsory?

Nope. Sovereignty of your body is inviolable. Forcing something into it against your will is rape.

Not quite there yet: "Next Blue Moon is the second full moon of July, 2015."

However, I agree with Honky 100%.

How can any reasonable person believe that they have the right to make a drug compulsory?

I believe you would have the right when society is in danger. For example, mental health patients to protect society if they turn violent.

Unfortunately, Professor Outrage Bus is 100% correct.

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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #26 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:45pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 11:53am:

"The swine flu vaccine caused severe brain damage in over 800 children across Europe, and the UK government has now agreed to pay $90 million in compensation to those victims as part of a vaccine injury settlement."

"Mike Adams, the Health Ranger"

http://www.naturalnews.com/index.html

No agenda there, huh???

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Reply #27 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:47pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 11:53am:

"The swine flu vaccine caused severe brain damage in over 800 children across Europe, and the UK government has now agreed to pay $90 million in compensation to those victims as part of a vaccine injury settlement."

"Mike Adams, the Health Ranger"

http://www.naturalnews.com/index.html

No agenda there, huh???

So?

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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #28 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

... wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Vic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

should vaccination be compulsory?

Nope. Sovereignty of your body is inviolable. Forcing something into it against your will is rape.

Not quite there yet: "Next Blue Moon is the second full moon of July, 2015."

However, I agree with Honky 100%.

How can any reasonable person believe that they have the right to make a drug compulsory?

I believe you would have the right when society is in danger. For example, mental health patients to protect society if they turn violent.

Unfortunately, Professor Outrage Bus is 100% correct.

No surprise that you agree with Honky, greg

And society (or the Government) DOES, or should have the right, when it risks the wider population, as in the case of vaccination..

Much like drink driving (or serial murder)....the risk to other people is high enough to warrant forcing people to comply, by whatever financial/custodial penalties are appropriate..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: Will you vaccinate or not?
Reply #29 - Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:38pm:

... wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 5:02pm:

Vic wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2015 at 4:52pm:

should vaccination be compulsory?

Nope. Sovereignty of your body is inviolable. Forcing something into it against your will is rape.

Not quite there yet: "Next Blue Moon is the second full moon of July, 2015."

However, I agree with Honky 100%.

How can any reasonable person believe that they have the right to make a drug compulsory?

I believe you would have the right when society is in danger. For example, mental health patients to protect society if they turn violent.

Unfortunately, Professor Outrage Bus is 100% correct.

No surprise that you agree with Honky, greg

And society (or the Government) DOES, or should have the right, when it risks the wider population, as in the case of vaccination..

When over 90% are vaccinated according to schedule, and 90% of the remainder are vaccinated to some extent, you'd have a hard time proving there was a risk to the wider population.

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