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Reply #60 - Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:37pm

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

We must leave them to do as they please, wherever they please, anything else is oppressive and a 'complex foreign policy issue only Fisky can navigate successfully.

Exactly. Why would anyone pay attention to a correspondant who's lived, worked and networked in the Middle East for more than 20 years?

You can give me Mark Twain any day.

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Reply #61 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 7:27pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 1:37pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 9^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

We must leave them to do as they please, wherever they please, anything else is oppressive and a 'complex foreign policy issue only Fisky can navigate successfully.

Exactly. Why would anyone pay attention to a correspondant who's lived, worked and networked in the Middle East for more than 20 years?

You can give me Mark Twain any day.

Because he is a propagandist. Why would anyone pay attention to Edward Said, another propagandist?

But they do.

A bit like Les Murray says
"Don't die Cecil.
But they do."

Stupidity and tendentiousness will out, to coin a phrase. Truth matters little. Emotions tempered by reason are anathema. Agit-Prop is everything. The Left is as Leninist as they were in 1917 and the worst of them as Stalinist as Stalin himself, even though they wouldn't know who he was, or Lenin, if you hit them on the head with a transcript of a show trial.

There is no allegiance to truth, it's all partisan agitation, boosterism for one sectarian interest or another. There is no common ground, no common ground of judging, assessing, deciding. It's all deliberately undermined and relativised.

Primitivised.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98425	Re: islam the plague Reply #62 - Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you? I’m.really curious this time, old boy. Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.
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Reply #63 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

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Reply #64 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

Only used, I note by those that disagree with his statements, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

Only used, I note by those that disagree with his statements, Soren. Roll Eyes

Whoa! Insight by Brain!!! stand back, everyone, who knows where this might go?!

Only those who disagree with you laugh at you, Brain.

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Reply #66 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:53pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

Only used, I note by those that disagree with his statements, Soren. Roll Eyes

Whoa! Insight by Brain!!! stand back, everyone, who knows where this might go?!

Only those who disagree with you laugh at you, Brain.

Really? Funny that, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #67 - Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:34pm

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

So what, exactly, do you disagree with?

Let me guess, old boy. Fisk was one of the first to write about US losses in places like Faluja. He wrote about the US coffins piled up at the airport when Bush had declared a media ban on these images. He writes, in general, without following the Fox News rulebook on US triumphalism.

You know, like Paul McGeough, another "tabloid" Middle Eastern correspondent.

Have I got it?

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Reply #68 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:20pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

So what, exactly, do you disagree with?

Let me guess, old boy. Fisk was one of the first to write about US losses in places like Faluja. He wrote about the US coffins piled up at the airport when Bush had declared a media ban on these images. He writes, in general, without following the Fox News rulebook on US triumphalism.

You know, like Paul McGeough, another "tabloid" Middle Eastern correspondent.

Have I got it?

No, you haven't.

McGeough made up stuff about Abbott wanting to invade alone.

Fisky is a similar propagandist:
Prince Nayef - an apology

ROBERT FISK Author Biography Thursday 04 August 2011

In his Friday essay on 15 April 2011 (" The Arab Awakening - a long time coming") Robert Fisk quoted from an order said to have been issued by the Saudi Minister of the Interior, HRH Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud on 11 March, in which he alleged that Prince Nayef ordered his security forces to show no mercy and to use live rounds on unarmed demonstrators.

Although the essay was published in good faith, we now accept that the "Order" in question is in fact a forgery, and that Prince Nayef did not issue any such order. We apologise sincerely to Prince Nayef for the damage and embarrassment which our reporting of it has caused him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef--an-apology-2331133.h...

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Reply #69 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 11^th, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

If a major broadsheet’s Middle Eastern foreign.correspondent is a propagandist, what exactly does that make you?

I’m.really curious this time, old boy.

Feel free to.reference Stalin in your reply.

Er... it's a tabloid (like the SMH).

Because of his bias and distortions, Fisk has entered the lexicon:http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fisking

So what, exactly, do you disagree with?

Let me guess, old boy. Fisk was one of the first to write about US losses in places like Faluja. He wrote about the US coffins piled up at the airport when Bush had declared a media ban on these images. He writes, in general, without following the Fox News rulebook on US triumphalism.

You know, like Paul McGeough, another "tabloid" Middle Eastern correspondent.

Have I got it?

No, you haven't.

McGeough made up stuff about Abbott wanting to invade alone.

Fisky is a similar propagandist:
Prince Nayef - an apology

ROBERT FISK Author Biography Thursday 04 August 2011

In his Friday essay on 15 April 2011 (" The Arab Awakening - a long time coming") Robert Fisk quoted from an order said to have been issued by the Saudi Minister of the Interior, HRH Prince Nayef bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud on 11 March, in which he alleged that Prince Nayef ordered his security forces to show no mercy and to use live rounds on unarmed demonstrators.

Although the essay was published in good faith, we now accept that the "Order" in question is in fact a forgery, and that Prince Nayef did not issue any such order. We apologise sincerely to Prince Nayef for the damage and embarrassment which our reporting of it has caused him.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/corrections/prince-nayef--an-apology-2331133.h...

What the hell is the point you are trying to make?

That a journalist made a mistake or that the paper that employs him had the integrity to post a retraction and an apology?

Can't have it both ways Soren, either the Independent is a reputable source ... or it isn't. You don't get to pick and choose when quoting it suits you.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islam the plague Reply #70 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:28pm mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:09pm: What the hell is the point you are trying to make? Fisk is a biased propagandist. He is not impartial but pretends to be.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36060 Gender:	Re: islam the plague Reply #71 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:32pm You only don't think he's impartial because his well resourced reports contradict your ill-informed bigotry. The many awards he's won suggest he is considered most highly amongst his peers. You are probably not.
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Reply #72 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:02pm

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:28pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

What the hell is the point you are trying to make?

Fisk is a biased propagandist.

He is not impartial but pretends to be.

Biased against whom exactly, old boy? I’ve never heard Fisky say a nice word about any of the players in the Middle East?

Who is he biased towards?

I’m curious.

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Reply #73 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:14pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:28pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

What the hell is the point you are trying to make?

Fisk is a biased propagandist.

He is not impartial but pretends to be.

Biased against whom exactly, old boy? I’ve never heard Fisky say a nice word about any of the players in the Middle East?

Who is he biased towards?

I’m curious.

Ooooh i know, i know!

Robert Fisk doesn't think all Muslims are slime.

Questionable opinion in Soren's eyes.

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Reply #74 - Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:54pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 11:02pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:28pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2015 at 9:09pm:

What the hell is the point you are trying to make?

Fisk is a biased propagandist.

He is not impartial but pretends to be.

Biased against whom exactly, old boy? I’ve never heard Fisky say a nice word about any of the players in the Middle East?

Who is he biased towards?

I’m curious.

Ooooh i know, i know!

Robert Fisk doesn't think all Muslims are slime.

Questionable opinion in Soren's eyes.

No, that isn't questionable. Soren, is in no doubt at all about where Fisk's loyalties lay. He's an Islamic apologist in Soren's mind because he doesn't automatically condemn the religion and all it's adherents! Roll Eyes

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