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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:24am
 
I don't mind jazz, wouldn't consider myself a huge fan though, but I do love its influence on the other forms of rock, such as progressive rock and metal.
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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:29am
 
I'm waiting for the right Bus to come along, in which case I'll quote a site for some vintage downloads.
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:33am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:29am:
I'm waiting for the right Bus to come along, in which case I'll quote a site for some vintage downloads.



Would I have to pay for those downloads?


Not being cheap, when I download my music I want to make sure the artist  gets rewarded.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:44am
 
Wouldn't the vast majority of them be dead and buried by now?
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 12:11pm
 
No and Yes.
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One of the best albums ever  Wink Wink

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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:33pm
 
Jazz began to appear about 1900 in New Orleans. It rapidly evolved through every decade of the next 60 years. Its evolution has slowed. I listen to lots of recordings from each era. It continues to garner loyal followings among young players and listeners.
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 1:40pm
 
I love jazz; Louie, Dizzy, Duke, the Bird. Notice we're talking about at least 60 years ago.
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 2:44pm
 

I like a bit of Dave Brubeck, Miles Davis, Mike Stern, Pat Metheny, John McLaughlin, Larry Carlton, and John Coltrane.

Cool, man   Wink
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:01pm
 
Nup. Jazz sounds like a noisy racket to me. I can't make any sense of it.
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I love jazz.   Smiley

Art Pepper, Louis Armstrong, Herbie Hancock,  John Coltrane, Billie Holliday, Count Basie, Benny Goodman, Miles Davis, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington.
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:03pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
Nup. Jazz sounds like a noisy racket to me. I can't make any sense of it.


It's cool, man.

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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 4:07pm
 
Depends what decade you beam over to. Here's Django, pronounced ZZhongo with a very short O on the end.



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Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
Nup. Jazz sounds like a noisy racket to me. I can't make any sense of it.

...because that is what it is supposed to be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:33am:
bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:29am:
I'm waiting for the right Bus to come along, in which case I'll quote a site for some
vintage
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Would I have to pay for those downloads?


Not being cheap, when I download my music I want to make sure the artist  gets rewarded.



If it's vintage jazz, the performers probably died several decades ago.
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Reply #16 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:54pm
 
Jazz was America's attempt to invent music as though the great composers had never lived. Free, intellectual and staunchly independent. You either get it or you don't.
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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:18pm
 
Happy Lucky wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 8:54pm:
Jazz was America's attempt to invent music as though the great composers had never lived. Free, intellectual and staunchly independent. You either get it or you don't.


Yes, but I think it was more just a case of jazz evolving from pre-existing forms of popular music rather than there being any conscious attempt to invent it.  It couldn't have happened anywhere other than the US at that time though.
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Reply #18 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 9:37pm
 
True. There is though, a truly rebellious and iconoclastic side to jazz that places it squarely in the deprssion to post WWII  America, largely afro-american, and now largely redundant.  I love jazz, but admitting that's unlikely to win you too many friends.
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Reply #19 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:32pm
 
Jazz is a matter of improvising on a theme. All that socio-ethnic stuff is b*llsh1t.
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Charlie Parker Wink



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issuevoter wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:32pm:
All that socio-ethnic stuff is b*llsh1t.


Yes and no.

It is relevant to the origins of jazz.  Early jazz was what it was because of the "socio-ethnic b*llsh1t".

It is, however, of little relevance to the development of jazz past the mid 1920s.
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Reply #22 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..
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Reply #23 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:55pm
 
Jazz was black folk proving 'emselves!
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Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..



Always preferred "The Wire" to "Breaking Bad" meself ( to predictable after the second series)

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Reply #25 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:01pm
 
I prefer the 1920s style "traditional" jazz it the later swing influenced sound.

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brumbie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..



Always preferred "The Wire" to "Breaking Bad" meself ( to predictable after the second series)

Artsy critique over. Smiley


I have no idea what you just said. Is that a bad thing? Huh
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Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:44pm:
brumbie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..



Always preferred "The Wire" to "Breaking Bad" meself ( to predictable after the second series)

Artsy critique over. Smiley


I have no idea what you just said. Is that a bad thing? Huh


Not coming from you...of course not
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brumbie wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:00am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:44pm:
brumbie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..



Always preferred "The Wire" to "Breaking Bad" meself ( to predictable after the second series)

Artsy critique over. Smiley


I have no idea what you just said. Is that a bad thing? Huh


Not coming from you...of course not


I googled them and they are tv shows? And it's a bad thing I don't watch them? I have heard of BB, though.

So your claim to higher intelligence the high ground is to watch and know about crap on tv? I think I'll take a point. Roll Eyes
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Reply #29 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:20am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:15am:
brumbie wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:00am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:44pm:
brumbie wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:57pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Jazz is the sound of capitalism dancing a violent Tango with communism. A cacophony of everyone trying to out do the other in a jungle of sound, competition all at the same time as  they're trying to get along as if they are playing the same tune and everyone is holding hands like do goody socialists. Make up your damned minds, I say.


Artsy critique over. Nah, really, I don't like Jazz and I don't think about it or hum it. Not my thing, but no skin off my nose if people like it as long as I don't have to watch them or listen to them doing it in public... Eww..



Always preferred "The Wire" to "Breaking Bad" meself ( to predictable after the second series)

Artsy critique over. Smiley


I have no idea what you just said. Is that a bad thing? Huh


Not coming from you...of course not


I googled them and they are tv shows? And it's a bad thing I don't watch them? I have heard of BB, though.

So your claim to higher intelligence is to watch and know about crap on tv? I think I'll take a point. Roll Eyes


Lol...I rest my case, so you have heard of Breaking Bad but not The Wire..it's a bit like having heard of "POP" but not "JAZZ"..confused?...I am.... Huh
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brumbie wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:20am:
Lol...I rest my case, so you have heard of Breaking Bad but not The Wire..it's a bit like having heard of "POP" but not "JAZZ"..confused?...I am.... Huh


What case is it that you have? No, it not like your example, really is it? They are not a genre, they are a performance of one. It's like not having listened to JJJ to know what to listen to.

Now, why is it bad not to watch TV? Read TV Week? Women's Day? Women's Weekly? Have you perhaps though that if you weren't told what to watch, how good it was, etc, you might be able to think for y'self?
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Reply #31 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:46am
 
Setanta, I stopped watching TV about 20 years ago, the rest of your post I gave up understanding..Happy Easter...or whatever
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brumbie wrote on Apr 3rd, 2015 at 12:46am:
Setanta, I stopped watching TV about 20 years ago, the rest of your post I gave up understanding..Happy Easter...or whatever


So why take the high road about some tv shows?

Happy northern spring equinox to you too.
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Reply #33 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:42am
 
Jazz is stress music. An emerging nation of conflicting elements coming together in a true, naturalistic way. Jazz is music without the bulls?!t.
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Reply #34 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 9:07am
 
I was expecting maybe three replies. So here's the website for free downloads:

http://www.radioechoes.com/variety

You'll have to browse through a lot of junk but you'll find a lot of stuff not heard on disc before. Download as an mp3 file and then you can burn an audio disc if you like.
The sound quality is pretty good considering some of the stuff goes back to the 1930's.

Enjoy.
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Reply #36 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:10pm
 
So...never heard of:

Ornette Coleman
Pat Martino
Jimmy Smith
Sonny Rollins
Herbie Hancock
Jaco Pastorius (and his "Bass Of Doom")
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Joe Pass
Wes Montgomery
Bill Evans
Sonny Clark
Lee Morgan
Miles...?

Oh well, best of luck with Kylie Minogue
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Reply #37 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:17pm
 
I find jazz a bit intense for me.

It's very good, just not quite my thing.
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I grew up on it. My father was a musician. Every Saturday morning Dave smacking Brubeck and Herbie Mann.
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Reply #39 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:20pm
 
Like early Miles; like the stuff he did with Dizzy. What about Charles Mingus and Monk. Yea, I prefer be bop to swing.
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Reply #40 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:29pm
 
I went through my jazz phase in my early 20's. Think I bought every "remaster" that the Verve and Blue Note labels put out.

Soon left that for my Dylan phase which I'm still in. Well, excluding the new album. Just...no.

Although was playing Monk's 'Brilliant Corners' not too long ago.
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Reply #41 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:37pm
 
Thelonius Monk is like the van Gogh of the piano.
Sometimes though I can remember him being quite lyrical.
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Reply #42 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:46pm
 
Monk was a genius at smashing strange sounds into people's heads. I was always more of a Bill Evans fan (particularly in his Scott LaFaro days)
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And then I discovered Chet Baker. Then came Stan Getz...


I'll shut up now. Otherwise, I'll talk jazz artist all night.
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Reply #43 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 1:53pm
 
Not a fan of Stan Getz...too schmaltzy.  Feel the same way about Miles'  love ballads. Can't go past the Bird for that mix of sentimental sweetness and almost violent chaos. That's the edge I love in Odette's playing too.
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Odette? Typo, right?

Unless you're thinking Odetta the Civil Rights/folk singer..?

And Getz was great especially when he started doing heroin. Just like Evans (and Baker for that matter).
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Reply #45 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:02pm
 
Yes, your right. I meant Ornette. A major link between the joy of swing and the edge of be bop. Got a disc of Getz somewhere. Sounds like Doris Day on acid.
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He probably was when recording it. Would not put it past him.
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Reply #47 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:07pm
 
This disc I've got kicking around somewhere is a lot of 'cool' standards. I think you'd have to be wearing a tux and drinking a cosmo to really get it.
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Eh, in the American vernacular of jazz, Getz was referred to as "West Coast Jazz" along with Brubeck and Paul Desmond. Sort of softer, catchier "hipster jazz" before hipsters became really annoying and discovered Apple laptops and Starbucks - and now they have legal weed.

*sigh*

Anyway, 'Focus' was a brilliant album by Getz - along with the output he did with Oscar Peterson. Quality stuff, that.
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Same with Django; I can appreciate it but I like my jazz with a bit more 'ghetto'. Parker's 'blue' period,  Ornette and let's not forget Billie. Holiday's voice is like someone finding a tulip in the trash.
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Yes I have vague memories of someone playing me the Focus album. A very inventive and lyrical player Stan Getz. I did have an album Getz in Stockholm with some Swedish players.

Bird is the ultimate though. Angry and sweet in the early days with Diz, beautiful with strings.
There is a beautiful book for those interested - "Bird Lives".
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That's my favourite of all time, Bogey.
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This one is for the trad jazz fans. Much of what was idiomatic in early jazz has been absorbed by popular music, but if you listen carefully to the fills and breaks here you can tell these blokes had highly developed jazz sensibilities in 1938. The trumpet solo at the end is top class.

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A great Aussie musician who came out of the trad jazz tradition but developed into one of those difficult to categorise - Bob Barnard.

Not that I've heard a lot of him but enough to know that he's a unique talent and always a pleasure to listen to.
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Reply #55 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 11:49am
 
I wonder what the guys in the Benny Goodman band would think if they knew people were driving around in 2015 listening to a CD of a concert they had played in 1935.

The world is an amazing place.
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Reply #56 - Apr 5th, 2015 at 4:27pm
 
Just to put it in perspective. There was a lot of crap in 1935 too. We are bombarded with the idea that good music has to be recent. Its part of the worship of youth and beauty. If it is good it will last. Benny knew that.
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True, but even the average stuff was better than the best stuff of today.
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Something popular rezoned:


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It's truly remarkable the story of jazz.

From the brothels, dance halls and Dixie street bands of Noo Orleans to the sophistication of the 1930s swing bands and Carnegie Hall seems like the blink of an eye. One could go back to the songs, chants & laments of the cotton fields.
And from there to the bebop clubs of New York, the cool jazz of Brubeck, Gerry Mulligan on the West Coast, the Ivy League colleges and concert halls of Europe is like a nanosecond. And along the way there have been legions of stand out figures in the music, many now sadly only remembered by a few.

But the influence of jazz is astonishing on so much of the modern world. Say what you like about America but what it has given the world more than any other culture is improvisation. The music of India and the middle east contains improvisation but it has had nowhere near the influence of American jazz. The freedom of expression it represents has flowed through to all other art forms.

Added to that is the thrust it gave to the civil rights movement. The influence it had on the thinking of young people had to be immense when they saw & heard the genius that flowed from the black musicians. It was many of the leading white musicians, Benny Goodman and others, who forced hotel and dance hall owners to treat their black musicians on an equal basis.

The popular music of today owes a great debt to the jazz musicians past & present. I remember John Lennon saying how they would go down to the Liverpool docks to buy the latest blues records from the black seamen.
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I am totally with you on this B73. If you like to read, check this book out.

In 1956 Marshall Stearns published "The Story of Jazz" to critical acclaim. The first edition had a wonderful Jazz family tree laid out in all its complexity. There is a tendency for contemporary views to describe Jazz as something that (apart from the blues) came about in a Louisiana vacuum. The book has a number of chapters on the background including West African rhythm, the contribution of Caribbean island culture and voodoo, and goes on to Minstrelsy and Ragtime. Armstrong spoke highly of the book.

Part One begins with this:

Sweet old lady, “What is Jazz, Mr. Waller?”

The late great Fats is said to have replied, “Madam, if you don’t know by now, DON’T MESS WITH IT!”
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bogarde73 wrote on Apr 28th, 2015 at 2:13pm:
It's truly remarkable the story of jazz.

From the brothels, dance halls and Dixie street bands of Noo Orleans to the sophistication of the 1930s swing bands and Carnegie Hall seems like the blink of an eye. One could go back to the songs, chants & laments of the cotton fields.
And from there to the bebop clubs of New York, the cool jazz of Brubeck, Gerry Mulligan on the West Coast, the Ivy League colleges and concert halls of Europe is like a nanosecond. And along the way there have been legions of stand out figures in the music, many now sadly only remembered by a few.

But the influence of jazz is astonishing on so much of the modern world. Say what you like about America but what it has given the world more than any other culture is improvisation. The music of India and the middle east contains improvisation but it has had nowhere near the influence of American jazz. The freedom of expression it represents has flowed through to all other art forms.



I'm not much of fan of Clint Eastwood but he did say something quite interesting back when he directed 'Bird' claiming that there are only two American art forms: one being the western and the other, jazz. I more or less agree with him.

As for his movie. Terrible. Casting Forest Whitaker was Charlie Parker was a brilliant, having the Hollywood spin that Parker was some sort of brooding misunderstood genius who never smiled wasn't.
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Reply #62 - May 1st, 2015 at 6:23am
 
I suppose you have seen the documentary Celebrating Bird, the triumph of Charlie Parker; a much better film. And then there is the biography Bird Lives by Ross Russell. Parker's music is some of my favourite, especially his early stuff.
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I read Bird Lives but it was a long time ago. I remember the bit about him sneaking into a dance Hall in Kansas City (I think) and watching the Basie band (I think). He watched the saxophone player and copied the fingering, but then he learned that he had to do it in every key. The man was a prodigy like Mozart.
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Mingus Ah Um anyone?
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bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:23am:
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Sorry, but I've never smoked dope in my life or drunk cheap plonk - and so it's no good asking me.
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C'mon Herb, I bet you were a fan of that famous British trad jazz band.
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C'mon Herb, I bet you were a fan of that famous British trad jazz band.



Never heard of it.

The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.
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The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.


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Lord Herbert wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.



Another Taylor Swift fan.
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Marla wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:59pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.



Another Taylor Swift fan.



If Bindi ever gets a recording contract, Herbie will be in seventh heaven.

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Lord Herbert wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.


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Many years ago I used to have a scratchy old 78 rpm record of Duke Wellington. Does that count?

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Marla wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:59pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 2nd, 2015 at 3:51pm:
The last time I walked down into a basement where jazz was being played, I soon found myself stoned just from breathing... and then crawled back up the stairs chokin' and heavin' like that guy in the cinema in Midnight Cowboy.



Another Taylor Swift fan.


O god no, not you too Marla. That's the Irish coming out in you. The Italians love me. Just ask John.
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Mingus, mellow, fantastic. . . . Sunny Goodge Street.
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The penguin book of jazz and blues is a fantastic read. I especially enjoyed reading about the underground jazz scene in Czechoslavakia under the oppression of the Nazis.
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Happy Lucky wrote on May 3rd, 2015 at 8:32am:
The penguin book of jazz and blues is a fantastic read. I especially enjoyed reading about the underground jazz scene in Czechoslavakia under the oppression of the Nazis.



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The book on jazz i read a few years ago was a collection of essays, newspaper columns. reviews, chapters of biographies etc by various musicians, critics etc.
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Happy Lucky wrote on May 4th, 2015 at 9:12am:
The book on jazz i read a few years ago was a collection of essays, newspaper columns. reviews, chapters of biographies etc by various musicians, critics etc.



Hmmm, can't find "penguin book of jazz and blues".  Sounds interesting though.

Maybe you read two books:


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I bought it from a thrift shop. It was published in the 70's if i remember correctly. BTW, it was an execellent read.
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Great interview this morning on ABC Local with Herbie Hancock.
It's probably available in some online form.
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bogarde73 wrote on May 6th, 2015 at 10:43am:
Great interview this morning on ABC Local with Herbie Hancock.
It's probably available in some online form.



For fans of The Insiders:

"You makin' us all feel very excited to be here".

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love those Marsalis family but why are they hated so??
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Ornette Coleman dead at 85.

Always sounded just like a plastic saxophone to me . . .but it was edgy.
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Have not heard this in a long, long time
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Smith and Burrell trading barbs. Made for some great lazy Sunday listening.
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I thought you would be in mourning for Ornette.
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Was never big on him. Never understood his "groove."
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On April 2 he was at the top of your list???
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There was no favorites on that list.

Coleman was a jazz legend but there is so much of abstract hard bop era I can stand.
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I think Be Bop grows on you.
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I was besotted with it for a number of years.
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What makes a jazz singer?

- able to swing his/her arse off like the Count Basie band
- or able to do soulful & mellow like the best horn players
- distinctive sound
- phrasing & timing to die for

I'm going to stick my neck out here and fully expect the chop.
For my money Frank Sinatra is/was one of the best jazz singers. He has/had all the above qualities and is sadly missed by me. As long as I live I will never tire of listening to him - as long as I don't have to hear any of that crap he recorded in the mid 50s when some agent/manager/producer convinced him he needed to get with the trashy pop scene.
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Frank was a crooner not a jazz singer. He sung better with orchestral arrangements than big bands.

Then again, Kat Edmonson passes for a jazz singer these days.
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Have you not heard him swinging with Basie?
Absolutely he has had the best musicians behind him and the best arrangers.
And you can call it crooning if you like when he did all those ballads with Gordon Jenkins. Remarkable stuff. But Ella, Lena & the rest all did the same things and you would call them jazz singers.

You see, his delivery of this (I think with Gordon Jenkins) was the equivalent of jazz for me:

"In the hush of evening
As shadows steal across my lonely room
I think of you
I think of you"

(But I was young & romantic & sentimental then)

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What makes a Jazz singer?
Jazz musicians refer to singers as “canaries,” because many of them will try to fake their way through a piece of music on the basic talent that will get them through a three chord pop song. Jazz is musician’s music first and foremost, and if a singer has not done the same amount of work, their idea of improv., is going to be misconceived at best. Diana Krall comes to mind.

When Charlie Parker first tried to sit in with some players in Kansas City, they told him to go away, he was obnoxious. He went away and practiced til he knew his instrument inside out. I am not a big opera fan, but those singers understand music. They go away and practice.


I don’t believe there is any such person as a Jazz singer. There have been singers who did well in the Jazz setting. They need to be able to sing a B flat, cold, without backup. I never heard a singer yet who could scat in a convincing and unforced way. In the end, the best singers are successful musicians first. They may not have the best voices, but they are not trying to prove anything either.
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A historical note for the Dixieland fans, I think there were a few.

I noticed www.radioechoes.com listed a few tracks by the Original Dixieland Jazz Band for download. These are very very early. Look on Recent Additions or under Variety.
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Reply #97 - Jul 4th, 2015 at 4:54pm
 
I think ODJB is credited with the first Jazz recording. Of course they were a bunch of white guys and picked up their chops by listening to black players. Nothing wrong with that.
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Reply #98 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
Maybe Jelly Roll Morton was earlier, don't know. He certainly wrote some of the earliest and longest-played tunes eg King Porter Stomp.

Ssshh! Don't mention what "Jelly Roll" means.
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Reply #99 - Jul 6th, 2015 at 10:45pm
 
ODJB recorded Livery Stable Blues in 1917. It sold over a million copies. Jelly Roll Morton recorded in 1918. King Porter Stomp and Wolverine Blues. 1917 was the year that Storyville was closed down by the authorities. The musicians who worked in the whore houses were out on the street just like the girls. Speaking of Jelly Roll.
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Reply #100 - Jul 9th, 2015 at 9:20pm
 
i saw kate ceberano live last night who sings a number of different styles including Jazz...

she was absolutely awesome...
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issuevoter wrote on Jun 17th, 2015 at 10:01pm:
What makes a Jazz singer?
Jazz musicians refer to singers as “canaries,” because many of them will try to fake their way through a piece of music on the basic talent that will get them through a three chord pop song. Jazz is musician’s music first and foremost, and if a singer has not done the same amount of work, their idea of improv., is going to be misconceived at best. Diana Krall comes to mind.

When Charlie Parker first tried to sit in with some players in Kansas City, they told him to go away, he was obnoxious. He went away and practiced til he knew his instrument inside out. I am not a big opera fan, but those singers understand music. They go away and practice.


I don’t believe there is any such person as a Jazz singer. There have been singers who did well in the Jazz setting. They need to be able to sing a B flat, cold, without backup. I never heard a singer yet who could scat in a convincing and unforced way. In the end, the best singers are successful musicians first. They may not have the best voices, but they are not trying to prove anything either.

Are you saying jazz singers are actually punk?
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Reply #102 - Aug 18th, 2015 at 12:09pm
 
I wanted to remember these guys and why the hell shouldn't I, since I started the thread.

There was a jazz club (in Pitt St Sydney I think) in the 1950s called the Sky Lounge. They let me in even though I was barely a teenager and it was licensed.

Don Burrows led the group, on Alto, Baritone & Clarinet
Dave Rutledge (who taught me the saxophone but whose sound I could never get near) was on Tenor
Terry Wilkinson, Piano
Ron Webber (who I later worked with), Drums
Freddie Logan (?), Bass

They played kinda West Coast jazz, copying the latest arrangements from imported records.
All kinds of people would sit in occasionally. I remember a young beautiful Diana Trask, who was a wonderful jazz singer but who went to the US and became a TV star on the Mitch Miller show of all things.
Some wonderful music was played at the Sky Lounge and the people who made it shouldn't be forgotten.

What triggered off the memory (I wouldn't have thought about it for donkeys years) was I was doing my mod thing on the Books board and I came across the reference to Graham Greene.
That made me think about his book which I read not so long ago, The Heart of the Matter and then recently I saw the old movie of the book starring Trevor Howard.

Trevor Howard was in the Sky Lounge one night and I was sitting quite near him. I knew who he was but I was amazed at how wasted he looked.
In fact, he looked like one of those guys out of a Somerset Maugham book who has drunk his way around all the South Sea islands for the last 30 years.

So that's how my brain works, sometimes, and I feel like writing it down.
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Reply #103 - Aug 18th, 2015 at 4:17pm
 
I am a bit too young to remember the Sky Lounge in anything other than reputation, but I heard Don Burrows on TV in the sixties. At the time, I could not understand what anyone heard in Jazz. How we live and learn. I was a huge fan of Trevor Howard in movies like The Third Man and An Outcast of the Islands. He did a very credible Lord Cardigan in the 1968 version of The Charge of the Light Brigade.
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Maybe not traditional - but a pleasant listen:



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I love jazz- easy listening and great to whacked too on a mellow Sunday afternoon hey wot?
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Reply #106 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 1:57pm
 
Well hello Agnes. Haven't come across you before.
You sound like you might be a bit whacked out already, but I do agree.
It's not a bad way to spend a lazy Sunday or any afternoon. Except for one other amusement of course.
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Reply #107 - Aug 25th, 2015 at 4:16pm
 
Hi, Bogey. The other week I bought a cd from the Salvos; the originals of Irving Berlin. Phyllis Diller, Bing Crosby, Dean Martin and more. Big city swing and funny, clever lyrics. Staples, sure, but brilliant nonetheless.
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Have wondered about the quality of 2nd hand CD's. I guesstyou take your chances.
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Admittedly,  the recordings are pretty average; buts it's good to have all those songs on one cd
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Have wondered about the quality of 2nd hand CD's. I guesstyou take your chances.


If the clear plastic of the reading side is not scuffed or scratched, the CD should play. The embedded digital files would be hard to corrupt. I have CDs from the 1980s still in pristine condition.
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Have wondered about the quality of 2nd hand CD's. I guesstyou take your chances.



You can buy a CD cleaner/surface protectant Boges.   It saved my life with a CD that I had waited months for - but arrived with a small scratch.
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Phil Woods has died, 83.
A great disciple of Charlie Parker.
There would be hardly anybody who hasn't heard him play on THAT song by Billy Joel. A typical lyrical Parkeresque solo.
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I downloaded a file from RadioEchoes of the 1st Playboy Jazz Festival 1950 and who should it be but Satchmo opening with Sleepy Time Down South.
He'd still be a relatively young man at that time (by my standards) and he's got it, always had it.
The timing is something to treasure.
But I don't know, maybe my perceptions have changed with age, but I never could abide an acceleration in tempo with excitement. Drummers are the worst offenders and this guy, I never heard of him, Danny Barcelona is guilty as charged. But maybe my perceptions have gone astray.

Just been listening to the SBS jazz show over lunch. It's been a celebration of 1937 and particularly Benny Goodman, but others as well - Count Basie, Tommy Dorsey, Bunny Berrigan, Chick Webb with Ella.
Why was it they always had to have the band play a chorus before the singer came in. Strange that to the ears now. If it's going to be a vocal, play an intro and let the singer sing.
They played the original disc of Avalon by the BG Quartet. Still good to listen to in spite of the time limitations of the old 78s and also in spite of the difficulties they obviously had with recording vibraphone. Such a good little ensemble.
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Reply #114 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 3:17pm
 
Over recent weeks a great many interviews with jazz greats have been made available at radioechoes.com.
Go to OTR Programs/Variety/Willis Conover Jazz Collection
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Jazz makes my brain hurt. What's some good gateway stuff?
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Memories that came back to me overnight. Must be old age.

The only real American jazz legend I ever met was Sonny Stitt. It must have been the late sixties he was touring here and he came round to some friends house in Paddington.
We're all sitting round wanting to hear him talk about music and people he had worked with, but all he wanted to talk about was his big house & swimming pool.

Paul Desmond stayed for a while with a friend of mine, a local arranger. This would have been mid-70s I think. He told me he was a mess emotionally. I believe it was not much later he died.

One Sunday a bunch of us gathered at a beautiful lady piano player's place. We played a bit but mostly we sat round and listened to Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band which had just come out.
Now there we were, all jazz devotees, and we were getting off on the Beatles. It wasn't just the beauty of the thing, it was the way they seemed to have found whole new chord shifts and other things. We were knocked out. Someone said Paul McCartney for Downbeat bass player of the year I remember. Probably stoned though.
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Reply #117 - Nov 8th, 2016 at 9:36am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
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John Coltrane

Dave Brubeck (Time Out)

Miles Davis (Kind of Blue)

Wes Montgomery

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You must be a jazz fan greg if you know about those people.
So if you are, you have a soul and I hereby exempt you from my latest thought bubble "Why are the left such joyless people"
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Reply #119 - Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:31am
 
The problem for Jazz is that it has become such a loose term, but its getting that way with Rock and Roll now too.
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No art form is set in cement. Many people are, in fact to a certain extent most of us are.
Change doesn't necessarily mean progress or improvement though.
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bogarde73 wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 10:30am:
You must be a jazz fan greg if you know about those people.
So if you are, you have a soul and I hereby exempt you from my latest thought bubble "Why are the left such joyless people"


I'm am a Jazz person.

To be fair, though: those names I mentioned are pretty much the Beatles, Stones, and Led Zep of jazz.

Time Out and Kind of Blue are essential albums, even if you're not really a jazz fan.

Being a Zappa fan I've come to love other jazz guitarists like Pat Metheny, John Scofield (probably my favourite), John McLaughlin, Larry Carlton, Mike Stern, etc.

As far as jazz saxophone goes, John Coltrane's A Love Surpreme is a must have album too.

How can anyone not like this? ...

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If you want to hear a different Brubeck find Jazz at Oberlin.
Jazz Red Hot & Cool was my introduction to Brubeck and I think it remains one of their best.
Paul Desmond (oh sorry marla, he's white) remains one of my favourite all time horn players for his sheer lyrical beauty.
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What about Glenn Miller? 

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Neferti wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 11:20am:
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Good stuff, but I wouldn't call it jazz.

It's big band/swing.

Still good, though.

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Pecca is a "jizz' fan.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 11:30am:
Pecca is a "jizz' fan.


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Bogarde's Roll of Honour

Alto sax:
The Bird
Art Pepper
Paul Desmond
Johnny Hodges
Phil Woods
John Handy
Herb Geller

Tenor sax:
Ben Webster
Lester Young
Sonny Rollins
Getz
Richie Kamuka
Boots Randolph
Hank Mobley
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Reply #129 - Dec 24th, 2016 at 10:03am
 
Goebbels is a hippie and hippies do not understand  jazz

When Australia FINALLY legalizes weed, try these or be a square:
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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 11:22am:
Neferti wrote on Nov 8th, 2016 at 11:20am:
What about Glenn Miller? 



Good stuff, but I wouldn't call it jazz.

It's big band/swing.

Still good, though.



I can remember hearing records of the Miller band roaring like Count Basie. All those guys had jazz backgrounds.
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To the roll of honour, I have to add Julian "Cannonball" Adderley.
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And when you really want to get baked

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I've got an old Brad Mehldau CD called Places. Its got a message stamped across the front:

For Promotional use only, sale or transfer prohibited. Must be returned to recording company.

"Yeah? Come and get it!"
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Well, the holiday weed stash is wearing thin and soon it'll be back to work but why not go out on a high?

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Reply #135 - Dec 27th, 2016 at 1:16pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 24th, 2016 at 10:29am:
To the roll of honour, I have to add Julian "Cannonball" Adderley.


You certainly do. And there are some Aussies or adopted Aussies I should have added too:

Alto sax:
Bernie McGann, who wouldn't give up his day job
Ray Warleigh, but he deserted to the UK
Bob Bertles, (who got a better sound out of my baritone sax than ever I could)

Tenor sax:
Errol Buddle
Dale Barlow
Tony Buchanan
Dave Rutledge (my teacher)
OMG, I nearly forgot Keith Barr, rip Keith you self destruct machine.
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Then there are the god damn masterpieces

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Remember, kids. Goebbels-esque Trumps Nazis don't know jazz. Stoners do.
 
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Well, its here, 2017, the centennary of many events, but musicologists will remember 1917 as the year the first commercial Jazz record was released.

The Livery Stable Blues by The Original Dixieland Jass Band was an immediate successes, and ODJB went on to make a lot of records. Of course the name of the band was misleading; it was not original. They were white musicians who had played in integrated bands in New Orleans. They learned there chops from Afro-American musicians. The title of the first Jazz band would be more fitting for the bands of Buddy Bolden or Jelly Roll Morton, but like the Blues revival of the 1960s, ODJB brought Jazz into the mainstream, and thereby created a market for the work of Afro-American musicians. So, something very good came out of it.

Livery Stable Blues is “Jass” in it rudimentary form, and when listening to it, one has to remember this was a time before electrical recording, when music was played into an accoustic horn and cut to a cylander or disc. Nonetheless, the music had a startling effect on most anyone who had not been down in the Storyville, the red light district of “Noo Orlins.” The dynamics of immediate improvs on the theme, and fills over held notes would eventually be absorbed Western popular music. New Orleans had a tradition of marching bands, and after the Civil War, the musicians began to fool around and show off in the street. They began to “Rag” the melodies in the 1890s, which is a genre ripe for improv. They also began to use flat 3, 5, and 7s, which became known as “Blue notes.” The synthesis turned up as entertainment in the brothels and saloons of Storyville which, ironically, were closed down in 1917, forcing musicians, and the girls, to move to places like Chicago and St Louis.

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So, it appears that no one here knows poo about jazz expect me.


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Marla wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 2:44am:
So, it appears that no one here knows poo about jazz expect me.


Woe is me.


I expect you're right.

Here's a piece of jazz that doesn't need the audience to be semi-comatose with weed to enjoy it.




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Here's another jazz piece by Ewan Dobson ...


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Reply #142 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 8:23am
 
Thanks for that, Herb. Many guitar thrashers use cut-away acoustic models because they think they look cool. Ewan Dobson is not one of them.

Of course Paganini is best remembered as a violin virtuoso, and although I knew Paganini was a great guitar player, I had never heard any of those compositions. Now, I see there a loads on the "tube." Paganini's phenomenal technique and seemingly endless inventiveness certainly parallels that of great Jazz musicians.
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Reply #143 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:00pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 4:48am:
Here's another jazz piece by Ewan Dobson.



That guy plays (and sounds) like a brain dead Lindsey Buckingham. Besides that crap isn't jazz - it's fretboard wankery. Jesus buggerign Christ. Give me a true virtuoso who invented technique, not insults it.   



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Reply #144 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:03pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 2nd, 2015 at 3:01pm:
Nup. Jazz sounds like a noisy racket to me. I can't make any sense of it.


It's cool, man.


Love that GP.. love Jazz. I came late to jazz though which is a shame.
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Reply #146 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:52pm
 
Marla wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 4:48am:
Here's another jazz piece by Ewan Dobson.



That guy plays (and sounds) like a brain dead Lindsey Buckingham. Besides that crap isn't jazz - it's fretboard wankery. Jesus buggerign Christ. Give me a true virtuoso who invented technique, not insults it.   



Again, woe is me.


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Reply #147 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 7:03pm
 
Marla wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 4:48am:
Here's another jazz piece by Ewan Dobson.



That guy plays (and sounds) like a brain dead Lindsey Buckingham. Besides that crap isn't jazz - it's fretboard wankery. Jesus buggerign Christ. Give me a true virtuoso who invented technique, not insults it.   



Again, woe is me.


Thanks for the insight. I'll bet you know how many sharps are in C major. No googling, now.
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Reply #148 - Jan 4th, 2017 at 7:10pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 7:03pm:
Marla wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 5:00pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 4:48am:
Here's another jazz piece by Ewan Dobson.



That guy plays (and sounds) like a brain dead Lindsey Buckingham. Besides that crap isn't jazz - it's fretboard wankery. Jesus buggerign Christ. Give me a true virtuoso who invented technique, not insults it.   



Again, woe is me.


Thanks for the insight. I'll bet you know how many sharps are in C major. No googling, now.


No need to google, for me.

Been playing for more than 40 years.

One could argue that there are two sharps in C major: E# and C#



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C sharp?
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issuevoter wrote on Jan 4th, 2017 at 9:30pm:
C sharp?


Sorry, B#

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Reply #151 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:10pm
 
There are those like Marla who will insist this is not Jazz. I cannot agree.

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 1st, 2017 at 9:25am:
Well, its here, 2017, the centennary of many events, but musicologists will remember 1917 as the year the first commercial Jazz record was released.

The Livery Stable Blues by The Original Dixieland Jass Band was an immediate successes, and ODJB went on to make a lot of records. Of course the name of the band was misleading; it was not original. They were white musicians who had played in integrated bands in New Orleans. They learned there chops from Afro-American musicians. The title of the first Jazz band would be more fitting for the bands of Buddy Bolden or Jelly Roll Morton, but like the Blues revival of the 1960s, ODJB brought Jazz into the mainstream, and thereby created a market for the work of Afro-American musicians. So, something very good came out of it.

Livery Stable Blues is “Jass” in it rudimentary form, and when listening to it, one has to remember this was a time before electrical recording, when music was played into an accoustic horn and cut to a cylander or disc. Nonetheless, the music had a startling effect on most anyone who had not been down in the Storyville, the red light district of “Noo Orlins.” The dynamics of immediate improvs on the theme, and fills over held notes would eventually be absorbed Western popular music. New Orleans had a tradition of marching bands, and after the Civil War, the musicians began to fool around and show off in the street. They began to “Rag” the melodies in the 1890s, which is a genre ripe for improv. They also began to use flat 3, 5, and 7s, which became known as “Blue notes.” The synthesis turned up as entertainment in the brothels and saloons of Storyville which, ironically, were closed down in 1917, forcing musicians, and the girls, to move to places like Chicago and St Louis.



You would probably have read "Shining Trumpets" by Rudi Blesh, the bible on early jazz.
But I think he probably wouldn't listen to anything played after about 1930.
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Reply #154 - Jan 9th, 2017 at 5:47pm
 
I have not read Shining Trumpets, but I have read Marshall Stearns' The Story of Jazz, and a number of biographies. I also picked up a copy of the illustrated volume that accompanied the TV Series by Ken Burns. It is magnificent, and it was in the bin for $5.00.
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Reply #155 - Jan 10th, 2017 at 10:35am
 
I did hang out with some trad people at one time but musically many of them are frozen in time.
My jazz education in fact was along the lines of it's evolution.
My first interest was Dixieland, in particular Louie and also the Eddie Condon bands. (I may have quoted this before but I'm reminded of it again. Eddie Condon is reported as having said that the first time he heard Bix Beiderbecke it came out "like a girl saying yes")
Then I moved on through the swing bands, especially the Goodman band and the famous Carnegie Hall concert, and Basie.
My introduction to modern jazz would have been either Dave Brubeck or "Art Pepper meets the rhythm section".
I never looked back after that. It was everything from bebop (where I parked myself for a long time) to west coast to east coast. And on into Mingus & Miles. I was never all that struck on Coltrane though, except his earlier style.
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Reply #156 - Jan 22nd, 2017 at 7:53am
 
I have noticed that people tend to focus on one particular era in Jazz. My taste and consequent record collection is more eclectic, best described as American music 1860 to 1960, with some later affiliations. Its all interesting to me.
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Reply #157 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 5:07pm
 
You might remember this guy issue voter. Sorry, reminiscing again.
Johnny Sangster he was when I first heard him, filling in on drums with the Port Jackson Jazz Band.
I bet I could probably still name everybody in the band. I expect they're all gone now.

But he was John Sangster when next I heard him. He was playing vibraphone with a group in a little dive called The Greedy Pig somewhere back of Taylor Square and a long way from New Orleans.
It was music to my ears. There was a guitarist called Kevin Norton I think, very Barney Kessel. I'm not sure but the bass player could have been Ed Gaston. Can't remember the drummer. It was a good group. MJQ with balls.

I was playing gigs myself by now and I asked Sangster if he would help me with harmony, which he did for a while.

John Sangster and his giant beard, his creativity and his ability to swing deserves a top place in Aussie jazz history..
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Reply #158 - Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:23pm
 
You are going back a bit, Boge. I was pretty young then, so I was limited in who I got to see. I was aware of the Port Jackson Jazz Band, but never got into any pub they played. I do remember John Sangster by name. My brother is a bit older and would remember him. I am a huge fan of vibraphone music, Lionel Hampton, Milt Jackson etc. The instrument was very popular in Hawaii in the 1940s and 50s when it was often paired with the Hawaiian Steel guitar. Arthur Lyman had a number hits with his brand of exotica.

Here is a famous example of Hawaiian guitar and vibes. Its not Jazz, but believe me, there are a lot of 9ths in it.

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Reply #159 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 9:15am
 
The heroin epidemic that haunted the world of jazz in the 1940s-1960s era. The scores of stars who were affected and the enlightened treatment at Lexington. You're looking at one in my icon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04y5j51
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Reply #160 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 11:38am
 
The allegation about a very well known record label paying the musos in heroin is staggering.
That couldn't possibly be Blue Note could it?
They were the most prolific producers of the young bebop era.
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issuevoter wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 5:23pm:
You are going back a bit, Boge. I was pretty young then, so I was limited in who I got to see. I was aware of the Port Jackson Jazz Band, but never got into any pub they played. I do remember John Sangster by name.


I was still in short pants probably. They did some concerts at the Sydney Conservatorium around 1954, my brother took me to see them.
A few years later I saw them a couple of times at the old Adams hotel but by then I was into bebop and other modern jazz.
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Reply #162 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 4:16pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 1st, 2017 at 9:25am:
Well, its here, 2017, the centennary of many events, but musicologists will remember 1917 as the year the first commercial Jazz record was released.

The Livery Stable Blues by The Original Dixieland Jass Band was an immediate successes, and ODJB went on to make a lot of records. Of course the name of the band was misleading; it was not original. They were white musicians who had played in integrated bands in New Orleans. They learned there chops from Afro-American musicians. The title of the first Jazz band would be more fitting for the bands of Buddy Bolden or Jelly Roll Morton, but like the Blues revival of the 1960s, ODJB brought Jazz into the mainstream, and thereby created a market for the work of Afro-American musicians. So, something very good came out of it.

Livery Stable Blues is “Jass” in it rudimentary form, and when listening to it, one has to remember this was a time before electrical recording, when music was played into an accoustic horn and cut to a cylander or disc. Nonetheless, the music had a startling effect on most anyone who had not been down in the Storyville, the red light district of “Noo Orlins.” The dynamics of immediate improvs on the theme, and fills over held notes would eventually be absorbed Western popular music. New Orleans had a tradition of marching bands, and after the Civil War, the musicians began to fool around and show off in the street. They began to “Rag” the melodies in the 1890s, which is a genre ripe for improv. They also began to use flat 3, 5, and 7s, which became known as “Blue notes.” The synthesis turned up as entertainment in the brothels and saloons of Storyville which, ironically, were closed down in 1917, forcing musicians, and the girls, to move to places like Chicago and St Louis.



The ODJB certainly have a significant place in the story of jazz, but they were not one of the great jazz bands other than in a historical sense.  If you listen to recordings they made years apart of the same items, you will find that the supposedly improvised parts are practically the same in all the recordings.  Their arrangements are rather repetitive and, after you have listened to several of their recordings, they all begin to sound the same.

I used to have an LP of all their 1917-1920 recordings, but it went out when I thinned down my LP collection about four years ago.  I have one only of their 78s, a rather commercial piece on a 12" English Columbia record, called Soudan (also known as Oriental Jass and Oriental Jazz), recorded during their visit to England in 1920.  The other side is a dreadful thing called Me-Ow, by the London Dance Orchestra.  I haven't listened to either side of this record for about 30 years.
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Reply #164 - Mar 29th, 2017 at 8:43pm
 
Neferti wrote on Mar 29th, 2017 at 4:29pm:
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Jazz!!!! Give me a phuquing break. Kenny G is the personification of Elevator Musak.
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Reply #165 - Jan 1st, 2018 at 2:38pm
 
I found some tracks here:http://www.crossbandradio.com/synthacoustic/

Included are some of King Olivers Creole band and the Original Dixieland Jazz Band.

Haven't listened to them yet.
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Reply #166 - Mar 27th, 2018 at 7:21am
 

I'm not a jazz fan, but I like this music too.
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