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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 8:44pm
 
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Mar 30th, 2015 at 8:52pm
 
If any of that works it is only because they are doing it wrong, there is every chance that the government will do it wrong.
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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:14am
 
The best way to show some of the tech illiterates is to take a photo on your mobile and send it to their gmail account.

Open the email. grab the header from the email including the time location who it was sent to, the subject - everything except for the body of the email.

Download the attached photo.

Open it in a photo editing picture and collect the META DATA that is embedded in the header info for the file.

Put it together and show them what amounts to a tiny amount of the data they will be able to collect about you.

Just so as you folk live under no illusions.

Every time you leave the 'transmission footprint' of one mobile tower and go into another you have to handshake with the new tower - you hear it if you have your radio on and your moblie sends out the interfernece signal that sounds like a hornet in your speaker - anyway, that info is also "meta data'.

No biggy you say, been happening for years right?

Well how many of you are aware that a number of State Governments and large city councils have been updating traffic lights that incorporate the same RF tech.

Look forward to going through a speed trap/red light camera from the moment you leave home, to the moment you get to work and back again.

10 years and you will be expected to by a registration license for using your pc online - just like you do now with your mobile phone. The only difference with mobile and pc landline is you don't need to license your home phone line and so therefore you can use any number of pieces of net equipment.

Wont be long now before that MAC number is yours for life.....

You don't believe me? Go ask your local State and Fed rep.
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Reply #4 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 10:55am
 
I have no idea how the people of this country let this pass so easily.....right to privacy has been eroded away.

It's ridiculous too because there is actually no logical argument for this.....the terrorist card is just a flat out fairy tale. If anyone wanted to avoid this they'd setup a VPN or alternatives....this only effects the average person and whistleblowers.

Welcome to fascist Australia, don't forget your ID badge and armbands on your way through the internment camp gates.
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:26am
 
It's all about the money.
The end game is about controlling the flow of data with a price on access to bandwidth through paid access.

The model they have in mind is the template used now by pay tv and online media outlets.

In the U.S. they have been very actively trying to bring in regulatory relaxations so ISPs can downgrade bandwidth depending on what type of content you are delivered eg if you get pay tv options - then you are entitled to high bandwidth. Otherwise you are at the bottom of the food chain.

It is why the conservaturds are actively promoting the claytons nbn. Because the defacto infrastructure will only allow for this type of bandwidth allocation.

Explained differently it is like this. If you have a NBN that everyone can easily afford to have in their homes and the infrastructure provides that without discrimination we all get it at the same price - ie no competition + no profits.

So what they have in mind is this
An artificial (a claytons nbn) restriction on the availability of bandwidth. Under normal market forces, the scarcer the commodity the higher the price.

As a result ISP's will be able to deliver high bandwidth to those customers which use services such as subscription tv and games. everyone else can learn the joy of web browsing with junk adverts using low bandwidth over mobile networks which are already starting to show signs of choking due to QoS throttling.

And of course it will be a cash cow for the Gov to onsell personal data to debt collectors, credit agencies and marketing and advertising bureaus.
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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 6:37am
 
Vuk11 wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 10:55am:
I have no idea how the people of this country let this pass so easily.....right to privacy has been eroded away.

It's ridiculous too because there is actually no logical argument for this.....the terrorist card is just a flat out fairy tale. If anyone wanted to avoid this they'd setup a VPN or alternatives....this only effects the average person and whistleblowers.

Welcome to fascist Australia, don't forget your ID badge and armbands on your way through the internment camp gates.


I have no idea how the people of this country let this pass so easily.....right to privacy has been eroded away.

I think that most do not really understand it, this includes myself with over 20 years experience working in IT and the vast majority of government ministers.

The claim is that there is a security benefit but I am afraid that I just don't see how. Most people I think believe this and I am not sure that it is incorrect to a degree.

I also do not think that many people understand the rather nasty potential by products of the legislation. While they can get it in under the guise of national security I doubt that this will be how it is primarily used or that it will be much of a benefit to security anyway.

Even in the security arena it has as much chance of being abused as used well.

Imagine if they had a full record of Dr Haneef's meta data, imagine the number of associated innocent people the idiots could have harassed on purely political grounds.
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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:19pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Apr 1st, 2015 at 10:55am:
I have no idea how the people of this country let this pass so easily.....right to privacy has been eroded away.

It's ridiculous too because there is actually no logical argument for this.....the terrorist card is just a flat out fairy tale. If anyone wanted to avoid this they'd setup a VPN or alternatives....this only effects the average person and whistleblowers.

Welcome to fascist Australia, don't forget your ID badge and armbands on your way through the internment camp gates.


You've been living in a vacuum if you think this wasn't opposed, and opposed vigorously.

Ever since the days of Conroy and his 'filter' in fact. I have been one of those actively
opposing it, but whenever I've tried to alert others to what's happening I get either a
blank stare or a 'conspiracy-theorist' accusation.

And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard the old 'If you've nothing to hide
you've nothing to fear...' bullsh1t.

Abbott was bound and determined to pass this fascist crap, but it could have been stop-
ped if only Shorten and the Labor Right hadn't stuck up their hands and supported it.

That little bit of bastardry WILL hurt Labor.
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 11:43pm
 
The NSA has every communication you've ever made on the internet recorded in full
& has done so for at least 10 years - maybe 20 years.

Just look at the Snowden revelations.

This information was always available to the "5 eyes" at any time
without a warrant.


Just about everything that is encrypted has a backdoor for the NSA including Skype.

Your own computer has a backdoor so that  the NSA can read any file on it
without you knowing because they
can load spyware masquerading as a windows update - how?

they have the windows source code.

Therefore this legislation is about 20 years behind what has actually been happening.

Don't worry about it - at least you know for sure now that you're being recorded.
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Bobby. wrote on Apr 4th, 2015 at 2:26pm:


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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2015 at 11:13am
 
Who trusts a government that is secretive of its own actions but wants to know everything about you? Only a fool would.  Cheesy

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Reply #14 - Apr 15th, 2015 at 7:25am
 
gone wrote on Apr 14th, 2015 at 11:13am:
Who trusts a government that is secretive of its own actions but wants to know everything about you? Only a fool would.  Cheesy




That's right, only a fool would. The US have dozens and dozens of anti NSA organisations with hundreds of thousands of followers world wide and they are failing to stop the progress of the NSA.

What can we do? Apart from a serious people's revolution, I don't think we will stop big brother. Something that might work is mass trolling so the powers to be will have so much 'suspicious material' to look into that their operations will be rendered useless.

Give them what they want, in bulk.
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