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John Smith wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:35pm: rhino wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:23pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:15pm: rhino wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:13pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:12pm: rhino wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 9:07pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 7:28pm: rhino wrote on Mar 28 th, 2015 at 7:12pm: he was all show, great athlete but not much of a martial artist. Jeet kune do is crap. Along the same lines I saw a Wing Chun demonstration at a community centre today, I nearly laughed myself silly. rubbish ... he in fact put many traditional martial artists to shame. They tried to stop him by sending one of their best to fight him, Wong Jack Man, but Lee kicked his butt. After that the traditionalists were to scared to challenge further. Don't look at today's martial artists trained in Australia and try to compare them with how they were trained in Hong Kong 50 or 60 yrs ago. These days it's a business, they grade students that don't deserve it merely because they make more money doing so ... back then, money wasn't a motivator. I watched a video of a real life training session from Japan in the 70s. When the instructor wanted to demonstrate a knock out, he knocked the students out cold, when the students came back to they would thank him ... no trainer would dare try that in Australia for fear of being sued. I didnt know I was talking to an expert, I beg your pardon. Whats your martial arts pedigree? expert? no... never claimed to be either. But I do know that you are wrong. How would you know? ever been in a fight? 5 yrs of Kan Zen Ryu Karate. I know enough to know that with only 5 yrs, I'm just a beginner. Im not a beginner and I maintain Bruce lee was more of an actor than a martial artist, fighting those of other Kung foo styles doesnt count because all Kung foo is largely ineffective as a form of self defense against any skilled opponent.. not denying he was an actor, but you have to remember that in that era, martial arts was a very traditional sport . There were no allowances made for the fact that modern men are taller, leaner and have developed different fighting techniques. Take a traditional fighting stance and any modern day fighter will break your leg in the first minute. This was part of Lee's problem with the traditionalist .. he wanted to modernise it, they wanted tradition. As far as martial arts goes, he was very good. Compared to modern day UFC champions, he'd probably get his but kicked. weight divisions havent changed over the years, if Lee was fighting in the ring today he would be fighting in the same weight division as when he was alive. Heres the thing, what ring did he actually fight in? Really the only thing we have to show his skills is his movies, he certainly didnt fight against any traditional western martial artists. Kung Foo and Karate were largely unknown in the West until the 1960s when they took off big time, but their popularity wasnt in response to the results of real life contests between western and eastern martial arts, it was in response to movies portraying the alleged superiority of the eastern martial arts. In real life, in Western society the street effectiveness of Karate and kung Foo were still unknown. With the advent of UFC in the 90s it became apparent, at least to me and a lot of other people what really worked in real life. Bruce lee had his day, he was a great actor and athlete but pound for pound he would get cleaned up by any MMA fighter today.
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