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Reply #30 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 3:48am
 
pete98 wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 3:05pm:
However, some employers have told me straight out that my lack of experience isn't a problem (I mean, who needs experience to stack shelves?) but it's just that they're not hiring.  I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. Is it really that hard for a teenager to get a job nowadays?


I commend you in being steadfast in looking for a job. However, if you're not being hired such as you say then it's more of an economic issue and not a personal one so don't beat yourself up over this.

Even if you don't possess much of a resume don't let discourage you. Instead, tell your potential employer what your strengths might be. Are you mechanically inclined? Are you good at math? Do you work well with people who, let's face it, are not these most pleasant people in retail settings. Anything you see as a personal strength exploit it in an interview conversation without overselling it.

Also look for work close to your area, if possible. Employers do look for those who have reliable transportation so if you are lucky enough to have a car tell them that or you are well versed in bus routes and schedules. If not, then learn them.

Are you willing to work nights, weekends, and graveyard shifts? Sometimes when applying for a job it's no surprise you'll find yourself on the bottom on the totem pole and will have to adjust yourself to such schedules. It's not easy but starting new never is.

Finally, be assertive and confident when applying. Look at your potential employer straight in the eye when talking to them. Don't shy away if they happen to ask you tough questions (whatever they may be). Don't figit away or break eye contact for too long. Always shake their hand before and after the interview. Sit upright and dress nice. Employers do look for how well potential employees groom themselves and speak, so do stray from saying "Um, er, ah," in your answers.

And do follow up on your application(s) (which you seem to do). Depending upon the job, I would not wait more than two weeks to hear back or, call back to inquire. Keep on having a plan B so you're ready to move if the job your presently hoping for does not pan out.
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Reply #31 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 10:56am
 
Listen to the lady pete. All good advice and don't give up even if that means ringing back the same people in a few weeks to see if things might have changed.
They'll know you don't give up easily.
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Reply #32 - Mar 27th, 2015 at 11:24am
 
It's hard at the moment it's not just you do not become discouraged
It's a numbers game keep knocking on doors
You will get there,then make sure you invest in some training
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Reply #33 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 6:36am
 
miketrees wrote on Mar 27th, 2015 at 11:24am:
It's hard at the moment it's not just you do not become discouraged
It's a numbers game keep knocking on doors
You will get there,then make sure you invest in some training


Hey Mike....good to see you  Smiley

How are things with you and your job searching these days?
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Reply #34 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 7:42am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
I used to hear it all the time when i used to paint, problem was it was easy to tell if they were lying or not  ... one guy comes to mind, told he he painted high rise for 7 years .. gave him a duster brush told him to pick a brush out of the brush bucket and and sent him up a ladder to paint the fascia

he walked past the brush bucket, crawled up the ladder, I could hear his knees knocking together from fear of heights from 50 m away, dipped his duster brush into the paint and started painted the same eaves we'd finished painting the day prior

no way he had ever worked at heights, no way he had ever used a paint brush, no way he had 7 yrs experience. .. sent him home after less than 5 minutes.

At the time, I needed someone and I would have kept him on if he'd been honest about his lack of skills.



A quick check of how they hold the brush is a pretty good indication.

If they're holding it like a bat or tennis-racquet, they probably aren't a painter.
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Reply #35 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 7:59am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 4:30pm:
Need job advice

You've come to the right place Pete, 99% of the posters on here are unemployed, on disability, sole parent or aged pension or part time casual hours.

Wait until Lisa comes on, she'll have the good advice you're waiting for, she's our very own 'wonder woman', Jill of all trades, involved in HR and all sorts of other things.....fair dinkum mate, you'll see.


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Reply #36 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:10am
 
pete98 wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 4:12pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 3:22pm:
I hate to admit it but John is right- make phone calls- deliver resumes personally - try to hand them to who ever is doing the hiring (not the girl at the desk) and just ring places regardless if they have advertised anything or not- that's how I got the job I'm in now.
Volunteering can lead to work- be clean presentable and respectful. Dont give up hope- you will get a job. Going into businesses is a plus-they get see you and make an impression, and your just not another online/resume shoved across their desk. And yes speak to managers

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Thank you. I hope so.


this is the best advice you'll get..

man up and walk straight into Businesses..

what makes you stand out with the other thousands that email in resume's? ........ nothing..

but if you dress up with a tie and a short hair cut you'll stand out from the rest of the plods.. don't take a phone into a business..

one of the biggest things that's pissing off employers at the moment is young folk on smacking mobile phones..  Angry

go and do a Barristers course... and then work for free in a café for a few weeks on weekends...

same with any other business you are interested in... go to bunnings and work for free on weekends..

"work experience"

make it happen... your first step was to come on here and seek advice.. the next thing to do is to take that advice and put it in to practice...

I worked as a manager for an agri business some years ago and most of the apprentices that I hired were from school based work experience.. the kids would come down and work once a week... if they were any good, I'd employ them at the end of the year...
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Reply #37 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:11am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
I used to hear it all the time when i used to paint, problem was it was easy to tell if they were lying or not  ... one guy comes to mind, told he he painted high rise for 7 years .. gave him a duster brush told him to pick a brush out of the brush bucket and and sent him up a ladder to paint the fascia

he walked past the brush bucket, crawled up the ladder, I could hear his knees knocking together from fear of heights from 50 m away, dipped his duster brush into the paint and started painted the same eaves we'd finished painting the day prior

no way he had ever worked at heights, no way he had ever used a paint brush, no way he had 7 yrs experience. .. sent him home after less than 5 minutes.

At the time, I needed someone and I would have kept him on if he'd been honest about his lack of skills.


Are you saying that honesty is the best policy?
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Reply #38 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:13am
 
Kat wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 7:42am:
A quick check of how they hold the brush is a pretty good indication.



that's usually the way ... but in this case he didn't eve know what a brush was.  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #39 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:14am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:10am:
pete98 wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 4:12pm:
Agnes wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 3:22pm:
I hate to admit it but John is right- make phone calls- deliver resumes personally - try to hand them to who ever is doing the hiring (not the girl at the desk) and just ring places regardless if they have advertised anything or not- that's how I got the job I'm in now.
Volunteering can lead to work- be clean presentable and respectful. Dont give up hope- you will get a job. Going into businesses is a plus-they get see you and make an impression, and your just not another online/resume shoved across their desk. And yes speak to managers

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Thank you. I hope so.


this is the best advice you'll get..

man up and walk straight into Businesses..

what makes you stand out with the other thousands that email in resume's? ........ nothing..

but if you dress up with a tie and a short hair cut you'll stand out from the rest of the plods.. don't take a phone into a business..

one of the biggest things that's pissing off employers at the moment is young folk on smacking mobile phones..  Angry

go and do a Barristers course... and then work for free in a café for a few weeks on weekends...

same with any other business you are interested in... go to bunnings and work for free on weekends..

"work experience"

make it happen... your first step was to come on here and seek advice.. the next thing to do is to take that advice and put it in to practice...

I worked as a manager for an agri business some years ago and most of the apprentices that I hired were from school based work experience.. the kids would come down and work once a week... if they were any good, I'd employ them at the end of the year... 


My goodness why would anyone become a barrister then go work in a cafe? They usually work in a law chamber.
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Reply #40 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:15am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:11am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
I used to hear it all the time when i used to paint, problem was it was easy to tell if they were lying or not  ... one guy comes to mind, told he he painted high rise for 7 years .. gave him a duster brush told him to pick a brush out of the brush bucket and and sent him up a ladder to paint the fascia

he walked past the brush bucket, crawled up the ladder, I could hear his knees knocking together from fear of heights from 50 m away, dipped his duster brush into the paint and started painted the same eaves we'd finished painting the day prior

no way he had ever worked at heights, no way he had ever used a paint brush, no way he had 7 yrs experience. .. sent him home after less than 5 minutes.

At the time, I needed someone and I would have kept him on if he'd been honest about his lack of skills.


Are you saying that honesty is the best policy?


If you are going to embellish, you had better be certain that it's something they are unlikely to notice. The problem with painting is that everyone thinks they can do it ... but a professional can spot an amateur a mile away.
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Reply #41 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:20am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:15am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:11am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
I used to hear it all the time when i used to paint, problem was it was easy to tell if they were lying or not  ... one guy comes to mind, told he he painted high rise for 7 years .. gave him a duster brush told him to pick a brush out of the brush bucket and and sent him up a ladder to paint the fascia

he walked past the brush bucket, crawled up the ladder, I could hear his knees knocking together from fear of heights from 50 m away, dipped his duster brush into the paint and started painted the same eaves we'd finished painting the day prior

no way he had ever worked at heights, no way he had ever used a paint brush, no way he had 7 yrs experience. .. sent him home after less than 5 minutes.

At the time, I needed someone and I would have kept him on if he'd been honest about his lack of skills.


Are you saying that honesty is the best policy?


If you are going to embellish, you had better be certain that it's something they are unlikely to notice. The problem with painting is that everyone thinks they can do it ... but a professional can spot an amateur a mile away.


That's a fair statement.

I never let my husband paint anything.  Why? He holds the paint brush as if it was a dirty sock.

Get the professionals in I say. They (ought to) know more ..and that's why they're hired.
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Reply #42 - Mar 28th, 2015 at 9:26am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:15am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:11am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2015 at 8:01pm:
I used to hear it all the time when i used to paint, problem was it was easy to tell if they were lying or not  ... one guy comes to mind, told he he painted high rise for 7 years .. gave him a duster brush told him to pick a brush out of the brush bucket and and sent him up a ladder to paint the fascia

he walked past the brush bucket, crawled up the ladder, I could hear his knees knocking together from fear of heights from 50 m away, dipped his duster brush into the paint and started painted the same eaves we'd finished painting the day prior

no way he had ever worked at heights, no way he had ever used a paint brush, no way he had 7 yrs experience. .. sent him home after less than 5 minutes.

At the time, I needed someone and I would have kept him on if he'd been honest about his lack of skills.


Are you saying that honesty is the best policy?


If you are going to embellish, you had better be certain that it's something they are unlikely to notice. The problem with painting is that everyone thinks they can do it ... but a professional can spot an amateur a mile away.



Painting is easy - it's preparing the surface that's hard.
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Reply #43 - Apr 16th, 2015 at 12:39pm
 
Hi guys,

Sorry for my late response, I've been really busy. I've still been searching and applying for jobs but I haven't got anywhere yet. I've started looking out further away from home to see what's around and it's the same situation or worse. It's been depressing and disheartening overall. One employer even told me I should just go on Centrelink. On a side note, I never knew there were so many homeless people in the Melbourne CBD. I guess I could be a lot worse off.

I'm starting to think I should just wait until I finish school and try again then. Maybe with a VCE pass I'd be more desirable applicant?

Anyway, thank you all very much for your replies. I'll get around to replying  to you all soon  Smiley
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Reply #44 - Apr 16th, 2015 at 12:50pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:20am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2015 at 8:15am:
The problem with painting is that everyone thinks they can do it ... but a professional can spot an amateur a mile away.
Get the professionals in I say. They (ought to) know more ..and that's why they're hired.


I don't agree.  You hire a professional if the job's too hard (say, the upstairs guttering and eaves for example), if you're too busy and don't have the time, or if you're just too lazy to do it.

"Professionals" invariably have to compromise on quality of finish so they can get the job finished in a short time.  Painting is the sort of job where you'll usually get a better result if you do it yourself.
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