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Re: Can't hit a barn door?
Reply #105 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm

Marla wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Maverick wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

I don't see how the action of the firearm (i.e semi-auto) makes any difference.

They use semi-automatics simply so they can kill large groups of ferals quicker. I see nothing wrong with it.

I do. I've fired both semi-automatics and full automatics while in the military (Colt M4's) and unless these animals are a direct threat to human populace and property and I no reason whatsoever to use them as an euthanasia method. Sorry, I just find that to be senseless.

The semi auto centrefire are not that common here they can only be used by professional shooters eradicating feral pests.

In Qld which allows them for farmers landowners you need to provide evidence of feral infestation to be allowed 2 centrefire semi autos which can only be used on the property they are licensed to with only 1 person licensed to use them.

A farmer is not a hunter pest eradication is something they don't get paid for and suffer huge losses if they do nothing.

Do you think this guy should be allowed to have a semi auto,what do you suggest is the best way to eradicate these feral pigs?
www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: Can't hit a barn door? Reply #106 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:59pm: Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm: Do the math. I'm an Australian, so I would do the maths. Bullet + head = pain. A fairly simple calculation. Fair comment. Herein lies a lesson: Now, in all fairness, who's the pedant? So, humour me, do the math.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72269 Gender:	Re: Can't hit a barn door? Reply #107 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:30pm Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm: Do you think this guy should be allowed to have a semi auto,what do you suggest is the best way to eradicate these feral pigs? wow, thats an awful lot of bacon ...
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Re: Can't hit a barn door?
Reply #108 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:38pm

Marla wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:18pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Shooting is a much quicker death for feral pests, a good heartshot takes out both lungs as well death is almost instant.

I suppose you're right. I hunted when I was 10 from both my father and grandfather, learned how to skin dear, elk and pheasant. I was told the same thing: shoot the heart for a quick, merciful and painless(?) death.

However, it did break my heart when I saw hunters with bow and arrow who did not know what the hell they were doing and the animal needlessly suffered.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 5:10pm:

Poisoning with 1080 is another common method here, that poison should be banned it takes up to 4 days for the animal to die in a slow horrible death.

Well said. Under those circumstances I entirely agree.

With heart shots they drop instantly and never move or get back up, I would never hunt with a bow and arrow.

Using 1080 is hard expensive work compared to shooting, the carcasses must be retrieved and burnt or buried as they are toxic to anything that might eat it according to the 1080 guidebook.

If your dog eats or licks the vomit from a poisoned animal you can lose your dog, 1080 should be banned.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Can't hit a barn door? Reply #109 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:49pm Good hunting dogs have died through the use of strichnine too... horrible
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Resolute Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 730	Re: Can't hit a barn door? Reply #110 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 7:25pm Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:02pm: Given you are given the job of reducing the number of feral animal Greggery what method would you use to achieve it as painlessly as possible. A fully automatic centre fire pillow! But that's just peccahead.
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Re: Can't hit a barn door?
Reply #111 - Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:28pm:

Marla wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Maverick wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:06pm:

I don't see how the action of the firearm (i.e semi-auto) makes any difference.

They use semi-automatics simply so they can kill large groups of ferals quicker. I see nothing wrong with it.

I do. I've fired both semi-automatics and full automatics while in the military (Colt M4's) and unless these animals are a direct threat to human populace and property and I no reason whatsoever to use them as an euthanasia method. Sorry, I just find that to be senseless.

One does not use an automatic to kill quickly large groups of pigs- complete nonsense and not to mention cruel- don't ask- just think about it for a minute.

In Australia or anywhere else one does not euthanise the little woodland creatures, we cull them...it's a job of work not a teddy bears picnic, btw there is a difference between firing a rifle and using one. If you go to a rifle range you might get to" fire" a gun.

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Re: Can't hit a barn door?
Reply #112 - Mar 23^rd, 2015 at 1:27pm

Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

I doubt most pros use semi auto rifles.

I think they would use very accurate centre fire bolt action rifles.

The myth of inaccuracy in semi-autos comes from the open breech types - such as the Sten and the Owen gun, which tended to spray a lot... closed breech weapons are as accurate as a bolt action.

Some pro hunters use M-14s - I like M-14s - a sniper team with an M-14 would have made a huge difference in Anaconda... having continuity in calibres isn't the whole game, and sometimes you need longer effective range than an assault rifle. The Russians found that out in Afghanistan, too, contesting over long ranges with Muj armed with older bolt actions .. hence the AK-74 with longer range and smaller calibre/higher velocity than the 47... but nobody learns...

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