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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #30 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:12pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

That's the whole point Roll Eyes

Really, so Greens_win intended to shoot himself in the foot and show that he was lying???

He hasn't shot anyone, anywhere.

Nor has he lied.

I suggest that you read the OP again.

The fact that there are two different figures is the whole point of the post.

Yes he has, and yes he has...

No, he hasn't.

He showed two different pics, with two different amounts, in order to demonstrate that some money was missing.

You have completely missed the point of the post.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #31 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

we will get rid of the disability pension.

we need an ability pension that recognises everyone needs to contribute to make the community functional.

unless you are on a ventilator, you have a moral duty .

from each according to their ability
to each according to their need.

a new sherrif is in town , scott morrison, and he is going to help lift the disability pensioners up from the scrap heap of discarded waste and give them dignity through work.

hallelujah

And how will he ensure that employers take these people on?

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #32 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

we will get rid of the disability pension.

we need an ability pension that recognises everyone needs to contribute to make the community functional.

unless you are on a ventilator, you have a moral duty .

from each according to their ability
to each according to their need.

a new sherrif is in town , scott morrison, and he is going to help lift the disability pensioners up from the scrap heap of discarded waste and give them dignity through work.

hallelujah

And how will he ensure that employers take these people on?

older women are quite employable.
young women can be unreliable, have hangovers, are emotional and have cat fights. older women are good workers and solid. great as medical receptionists, bank tellers etc.

older men....scott will be able to offer $$$$.
the DSP leads to a slackness, ill health, alcohol drinking, depressed lifestyle with flow on costs.
pay a good whack of the DSP to the employer and he will employ the old fella and

the old fella wins (he's got a job)
the employer wins (he gets a subsidy)
the government wins (less flow on costs and less pensioners).

simple

scooter always tries to create the trifecta win/win/win.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #33 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

That's the whole point Roll Eyes

Really, so Greens_win intended to shoot himself in the foot and show that he was lying???

He hasn't shot anyone, anywhere.

Nor has he lied.

I suggest that you read the OP again.

The fact that there are two different figures is the whole point of the post.

Yes he has, and yes he has...

No, he hasn't.

He showed two different pics, with two different amounts, in order to demonstrate that some money was missing.

You have completely missed the point of the post.

No greg, I haven't 'missed' anything. I have commented that since this is a fairly unique happening ( since it hasn't happened to me, or indeed anyone else), there is obviously another reason/explanation for it.

If Housing Commission is involved, it's not unusual for Housing tenants to pay a bit extra on their rent during the year, in order to be able to skip a fortnight, for special events (i.e Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc)

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #34 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:23pm

So many so misinformed. You already have to do some work when you are on the DSP. I had to work, paid or unpaid, 8 hours per week.

We all know Morriscum is just going to throw half of those on the DSP on to the NewStart allowance, making their lives that much harder—they already have to travel for treatment, buy medicines etc.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #35 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

The February 2015 payments in the first post are $629.90 and the May 2015 payments are also $629.90.

I'd say that your 'friend' had a centrepay deduction of $23.78.

Meanwhile centrelink can not show what this phantom deduction is for ... and there records show that the payment for that date is the full $629 figure.

Those above centrelink are cutting while keeping centrelink and the DS pensioner in the dark.

And as already stated, this is not an isolated case.

And again, that's bullshit. Your 'friend' can find out what the deduction is for...as it is (usually) clearly shown on the Centrelink website.

My DSP for example shows NO change from Feb to March whatsoever (other than the Centrepay deductions that I already know about).

Will take you through this again.

The first post's picture is a letter they received in the mail.

They took it into centrelink and centrelink had no record of the letter, no record of any deductions to explain the less amount stated in the letter, and then printed out their record of this persons future payment. Picture in the second post.

Centrelink said this is occurring a lot and they don't know why. They are not able to access the computers above theirs, that are behind the letters being sent out with reduced payments.

Yes, and since MY DSP doesn't actually show ANY changes comparable with your friend's letter, I still say there is something that your friend as done, or agreed to, that has caused this...either a repayment for a Centrelink debt, or an extra payment to someone (maybe Housing or a utility company)

And it still most likely has NOTHING to do with the government 'stealing money' from them..

If as you say, there are extra charges or some changes. How come centrelink don't know of them and can not explain the letter and the differing amount in the letter and what they have on record.

Also why the letter doesn't explain the lesser amount.

And they (centrelink staff) also stating, this is not an isolated case of this happen?

Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean a. it will not, and b. it's not happening to this person and others.

I started this thread so to make others aware if they are receiving benefits or they know of others receiving, so to watch out.

Could your blind denial be because of your hatred of anything not politically conservative?

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #36 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:27pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

So many so misinformed. You already have to do some work when you are on the DSP. I had to work, paid or unpaid, 8 hours per week.

We all know Morriscum is just going to throw half of those on the DSP on to the NewStart allowance, making their lives that much harder—they already have to travel for treatment, buy medicines etc.

Excuse me while I get the violin out Grin

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #37 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:29pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

So many so misinformed. You already have to do some work when you are on the DSP. I had to work, paid or unpaid, 8 hours per week.

We all know Morriscum is just going to throw half of those on the DSP on to the NewStart allowance, making their lives that much harder—they already have to travel for treatment, buy medicines etc.

NO actually you don't...You are ALLOWED to do so many hours hours per week on the DSP, depending on your particular abilities or assessment.

For example, I have NEVER been required to do any work to receive the DSP, nor has my housemate.
If YOU do have to, then that is to do with YOU, not anyone else.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #38 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

That's the whole point Roll Eyes

Really, so Greens_win intended to shoot himself in the foot and show that he was lying???

He hasn't shot anyone, anywhere.

Nor has he lied.

I suggest that you read the OP again.

The fact that there are two different figures is the whole point of the post.

Yes he has, and yes he has...

No, he hasn't.

He showed two different pics, with two different amounts, in order to demonstrate that some money was missing.

You have completely missed the point of the post.

No greg, I haven't 'missed' anything. I have commented that since this is a fairly unique happening ( since it hasn't happened to me, or indeed anyone else), there is obviously another reason/explanation for it.

If Housing Commission is involved, it's not unusual for Housing tenants to pay a bit extra on their rent during the year, in order to be able to skip a fortnight, for special events (i.e Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc)

Centrelink staff said this is not an isolated case.

The person is in private rental and the rent hasn't changed.

The person is unable to work, so no adjustments apply.

No change concerning loans.

Nothing has changed and this is why centrelink staff printed out the person's future payments that state $629 (picture in second post) and not the letter amount of $609 (picture in first post)

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #39 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

That's the whole point Roll Eyes

Really, so Greens_win intended to shoot himself in the foot and show that he was lying???

He hasn't shot anyone, anywhere.

Nor has he lied.

I suggest that you read the OP again.

The fact that there are two different figures is the whole point of the post.

Yes he has, and yes he has...

No, he hasn't.

He showed two different pics, with two different amounts, in order to demonstrate that some money was missing.

You have completely missed the point of the post.

No greg, I haven't 'missed' anything. I have commented that since this is a fairly unique happening ( since it hasn't happened to me, or indeed anyone else), there is obviously another reason/explanation for it.

If Housing Commission is involved, it's not unusual for Housing tenants to pay a bit extra on their rent during the year, in order to be able to skip a fortnight, for special events (i.e Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc)

Centrelink staff said this is not an isolated case.

The person is in private rental and the rent hasn't changed.

The person is unable to work, so no adjustments apply.

No change concerning loans.

Nothing has changed and this is why centrelink staff printed out the person's future payments that state $629 (picture in second post) and not the letter amount of $609 (picture in first post)

Then there is STILL something other than the Federal Government involved, since MY payment hasn't changed, and I am on the DSP, if this is an 'individual case' then it's nothing to do with Abbott..

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #40 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

we will get rid of the disability pension.

we need an ability pension that recognises everyone needs to contribute to make the community functional.

unless you are on a ventilator, you have a moral duty .

from each according to their ability
to each according to their need.

a new sherrif is in town , scott morrison, and he is going to help lift the disability pensioners up from the scrap heap of discarded waste and give them dignity through work.

hallelujah

We need to fit rollers to the disabled wheel chairs and elderlys walkers so they build all of these roads for the miners.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #41 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

we will get rid of the disability pension.

we need an ability pension that recognises everyone needs to contribute to make the community functional.

unless you are on a ventilator, you have a moral duty .

from each according to their ability
to each according to their need.

a new sherrif is in town , scott morrison, and he is going to help lift the disability pensioners up from the scrap heap of discarded waste and give them dignity through work.

hallelujah

Ja, ja, arbeit macht frei.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #42 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:29pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

So many so misinformed. You already have to do some work when you are on the DSP. I had to work, paid or unpaid, 8 hours per week.

We all know Morriscum is just going to throw half of those on the DSP on to the NewStart allowance, making their lives that much harder—they already have to travel for treatment, buy medicines etc.

NO actually you don't...You are ALLOWED to do so many hours hours per week on the DSP, depending on your particular abilities or assessment.

For example, I have NEVER been required to do any work to receive the DSP, nor has my housemate.
If YOU do have to, then that is to do with YOU, not anyone else.

You get assessed—and there are inspections to make sure you work the errr “optional” hours. I didn’t get inspected but I was a little over 12 months from retirement age. Weird you weren’t given a mandatory hours per week.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #43 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

That's the whole point Roll Eyes

Really, so Greens_win intended to shoot himself in the foot and show that he was lying???

He hasn't shot anyone, anywhere.

Nor has he lied.

I suggest that you read the OP again.

The fact that there are two different figures is the whole point of the post.

Yes he has, and yes he has...

No, he hasn't.

He showed two different pics, with two different amounts, in order to demonstrate that some money was missing.

You have completely missed the point of the post.

No greg, I haven't 'missed' anything. I have commented that since this is a fairly unique happening ( since it hasn't happened to me, or indeed anyone else), there is obviously another reason/explanation for it.

If Housing Commission is involved, it's not unusual for Housing tenants to pay a bit extra on their rent during the year, in order to be able to skip a fortnight, for special events (i.e Christmas, Easter, birthdays etc)

Centrelink staff said this is not an isolated case.

The person is in private rental and the rent hasn't changed.

The person is unable to work, so no adjustments apply.

No change concerning loans.

Nothing has changed and this is why centrelink staff printed out the person's future payments that state $629 (picture in second post) and not the letter amount of $609 (picture in first post)

Then there is STILL something other than the Federal Government involved, since MY payment hasn't changed, and I am on the DSP, if this is an 'individual case' then it's nothing to do with Abbott..

Where did I state it is happening to everyone?

Centrelink staff said they have a lot of complaints about this kind of occurrence.

If you would like to continue to call them liars, knock yourself out. Serious, knock your self out.

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Re: Abbott Mob Thieving Off Disabled Pensioners
Reply #44 - Feb 27^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 2:26pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:58pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:49pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

____ wrote on Feb 27^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

Centerlink print out of their supposed payments.

Do the abbott mob see the disabled an easy target to steal off?

You DO realise that the two pictures you posted disagree with each other, don't you???

The February 2015 payments in the first post are $629.90 and the May 2015 payments are also $629.90.

I'd say that your 'friend' had a centrepay deduction of $23.78.

Meanwhile centrelink can not show what this phantom deduction is for ... and there records show that the payment for that date is the full $629 figure.

Those above centrelink are cutting while keeping centrelink and the DS pensioner in the dark.

And as already stated, this is not an isolated case.

And again, that's bullshit. Your 'friend' can find out what the deduction is for...as it is (usually) clearly shown on the Centrelink website.

My DSP for example shows NO change from Feb to March whatsoever (other than the Centrepay deductions that I already know about).

Will take you through this again.

The first post's picture is a letter they received in the mail.

They took it into centrelink and centrelink had no record of the letter, no record of any deductions to explain the less amount stated in the letter, and then printed out their record of this persons future payment. Picture in the second post.

Centrelink said this is occurring a lot and they don't know why. They are not able to access the computers above theirs, that are behind the letters being sent out with reduced payments.

Yes, and since MY DSP doesn't actually show ANY changes comparable with your friend's letter, I still say there is something that your friend as done, or agreed to, that has caused this...either a repayment for a Centrelink debt, or an extra payment to someone (maybe Housing or a utility company)

And it still most likely has NOTHING to do with the government 'stealing money' from them..

If as you say, there are extra charges or some changes. How come centrelink don't know of them and can not explain the letter and the differing amount in the letter and what they have on record.

Also why the letter doesn't explain the lesser amount.

And they (centrelink staff) also stating, this is not an isolated case of this happen?

Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean a. it will not, and b. it's not happening to this person and others.

I started this thread so to make others aware if they are receiving benefits or they know of others receiving, so to watch out.

Could your blind denial be because of your hatred of anything not politically conservative?

Well Centrelink will have actually known about them, AND told your friend, the fact that 'your friend' hasn't passed that info on to you, is more about your 'friend' than it is about Centrelink...( your friend is most likely lying their arse off, in order to stay in good with the Greens)

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