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Feb 20th, 2015 at 5:57am
 
DAVID Hicks trained with al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and described Osama bin Laden as a brother — and yet Opposition Leader Bill Shorten labelled what he did as “foolish” and said he suffered an “injustice”.

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With the terror alert at its highest level, Mr Shorten leapt to the defence of the man who former PM John Howard yesterday declared “revelled in jihad”.

Mr Shorten’s comments were also slammed by Liberal MP Andrew Nikolic, who served as a brigadier in the Australian Army in Afghanistan.

“I am appalled by Mr Hicks’ ­actions,’’ he said. “I am also troubled by the failure of the Leader of the ­Opposition to call him out on it.”

Mr Shorten said yesterday: “David Hicks was probably foolish to get caught up in that Afghanistan ­conflict, but clearly there has been an ­injustice done to him.”

Mr Nikolic, who served as a ­brigadier in the army, said: “By his own admission, David Hicks trained and fought with Islamic terrorists such as al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

“Why is Bill Shorten giving ­succour to David Hicks as someone who he says was merely ‘foolish’ to get ‘caught up’, as if he was some ­wide-eyed innocent abroad rather than a trained terrorist?”

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Mr Shorten’s comments came after a US military court quashed a ­terrorism conviction against Mr Hicks on a technicality because his ­actions were not a crime under US or Australian law at the time.

When asked if Mr Hicks was due an apology, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he would not apologise for doing “what was needed”. He said Mr Hicks “was up to no good on his own admission”.

Attorney-General George Brandis said Mr Hick’s actions would today “fall within the scope” of terror laws.

Mr Hicks was detained in US ­detention camp Guantánamo Bay in Cuba from 2001 until 2007 and was convicted of supporting terrorism.

Liberal backbenchers pounced on Mr Shorten’s comments, prompting him to clarify his view late yesterday.

“There’s no doubt Mr Hicks was associating with known terrorists, and that’s absolutely deplorable,’’ he said.

Mr Howard, prime minister at the time Mr Hicks was held in Guantánamo Bay, said the US decision to quash the conviction did not alter the fact Mr Hicks was involved with al-Qaeda.

“The US verdict is about the legal process in that country,’’ a spokesman for Mr Howard said in a statement. “Nothing alters the fact that by his own admission, Hicks trained with ­al-Qaeda, met Osama bin Laden on ­several occasions describing him as a brother. He revelled in jihad. He is not owed an apology by any ­Australian government.’’

Asked yesterday why he was in ­Afghanistan Mr Hicks replied: ­“Having a holiday.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/anger-as-bill-shorten-claims-injustice...
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 5:58am
 
What was Hicks' perceived "injustice", Bill? Gawd, and this ape wants to be PM one day! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:03am
 
5 years in Guatanamo Bay for a crime he didn’t commit.
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That pick with the bazooka—Hicks was fighting with the Bosnian army at the time.

Try reading something besides that propaganda rag.
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:15am
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:03am:
5 years in Guatanamo Bay for a crime he didn’t commit.
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That pick with the bazooka—Hicks was fighting with the Bosnian army at the time.

Try reading something besides that propaganda rag.


He did commit a crime - it just wasn't written in law at that time.
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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:24am
 
The US now admit that he committed no crime and quashed his conviction, Australia always said that he had committed no crime that he could be charged with and he was imprisoned for about 9 years, 7 without a charge or trial.

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David Hicks trained and fought with Islamic terrorists such as al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.


Australia first listed Al-Qaeda as a terrorist organisation in 2002. Hicks was in GTMO in 2001.
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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:31am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:15am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:03am:
5 years in Guatanamo Bay for a crime he didn’t commit.
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That pick with the bazooka—Hicks was fighting with the Bosnian army at the time.

Try reading something besides that propaganda rag.


He did commit a crime - it just wasn't written in law at that time.


Doubt that you would find many legal people too keen on prosecuting that case.

Breaking laws that don't exist what a novel idea. Does that make everyone guilty of something, all that is missing are the laws.

You have outdone yourself Magoo.
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:35am
 
Hick's case proves being Australian means your a second class citizen. Americans and UKians were not sent to the Gitmo Gulag, because their governments protected then.

If we can't trust our government then we all require a Bill of Rights to protect us.
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:41am
 
John Howard - “He is not owed an apology by any Australian Government.”

Not owing anyone an apology seems to be a John Howard special... None to be expected from Howard, no doubt, with regard to Australia's military adventurism in Iraq.

And while we 'hold vigils' for 2 of the 'Bali Nine' and hector Indonesia to commute their death sentence (presumably on the grounds that capital punishment is barbaric or maybe constitutes - in American speak - cruel and unusual punishment'), there is much less concern that an Australian citizen (whether innocent or guilty) was tortured by our US overlords.

Of course, during the Hicks fiasco, Howard, being a politician first,  tried to surf on the populism of denying Hicks assistance (in the manner that, say, the UK did with their Guantanamo detainees), by at least repatriating him (a proposal the Bush administration would have accepted). Instead he was complicit in condemning an Australian citizen to - in American speak again - cruel and unusual punishment.

Politicians are by nature cynical and the expediency of riding the populist tide is always their path of least resistance.

It takes true courage and leadership to swim against that tide, which Australians rarely witness in their heads of government, except, maybe, during his first year in office, when the politician has a chance to bet on public forgetting over the remaining 2 - 3 years.

Panem et circenses - Bread and circuses - appeases the mob...

We get the politicians we deserve.
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:47am
 
You lefties are unbelievable. He wasn't there to visit Club 'Stan. He admitted to training and fighting with these terrorist groups. If he hadn't been caught when he was, there's every chance he could have gone on to kill Australian soldiers and might still be fighting in Afghanistan if he survived long enough. Why is something so simple so difficult for you idiots to comprehend? Huh
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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:53am
 
I think Shifty Shorten would like Hicks to turkey slap him on that massive forehead of his.
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:57am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:47am:
You lefties are unbelievable. He wasn't there to visit Club 'Stan. He admitted to training and fighting with these terrorist groups. If he hadn't been caught when he was, there's every chance he could have gone on to kill Australian soldiers and might still be fighting in Afghanistan if he survived long enough. Why is something so simple so difficult for you idiots to comprehend? Huh

You know, George W Bush is technically a war criminal, which is why overseas travel for him (and a number of his cabinet and advisers) is technically a risk. That would make the Australian government of the day 'technically guilty' of offering material assistance to a war criminal.
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 5:58am:
What was Hicks' perceived "injustice", Bill? Gawd, and this ape wants to be PM one day! Grin Grin Grin



you dont GET IT do you AP..

hicks was on HOLIDAY...he couldnt help the people he mixed with in his hotels could he.??.foolish.. YES to damn right..stay away from 3 star hotels next time...

was BILL FOOLISH when he met that 16 YEAR OLD>.

too damn right he was...

was he in the wrong place at the wrong time...WELL he says he was...that all we need..

you dont understand much do you ap?..

good old BILL has won the Hicks family votes. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 7:05am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:15am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:03am:
5 years in Guatanamo Bay for a crime he didn’t commit.
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That pick with the bazooka—Hicks was fighting with the Bosnian army at the time.

Try reading something besides that propaganda rag.


He did commit a crime - it just wasn't written in law at that time.



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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 7:12am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 7:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:15am:
St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 6:03am:
5 years in Guatanamo Bay for a crime he didn’t commit.
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That pick with the bazooka—Hicks was fighting with the Bosnian army at the time.

Try reading something besides that propaganda rag.


He did commit a crime - it just wasn't written in law at that time.



http://i.imgur.com/d9M3NYb.jpg

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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 7:13am
 
gweg doesnt think referring to Osama as a brother..is a crime...at the time he was the Wests most wanted man.. but dont let that get in the way of evil
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