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Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries
Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:43am

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MOST asylum seekers being held on Manus Island will be sent to their home countries within weeks, Papua New Guinea Prime Minister Peter O’Neill says.
Mr O’Neill on Tuesday said six asylum seekers previously housed in the Manus Island detention centre have been moved to an Australian-built transit centre outside the Manus capital, Lorengau, before resettlement in PNG.
But he said most of the detainees are not genuine political refugees.
I think many of them are just out there trying to have economic opportunities that Australia and other countries offer to them,” Mr O’Neill told the ABC.
He said only a very small number of detainees would be determined to be legitimate refugees.
“Most of the other people who are in the processing centre we’re now talking to their governments and we will start repatriating many of them in a very short time,” he said.

http://www.news.com.au/national/manus-island-asylum-seekers-to-be-sent-back-to-home-countries/story-fncynjr2-1227198878025

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #1 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:48am good. let them go and clean up the mess they run away from..
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #2 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:59am Very dangerous idea, I hope he is right.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #3 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers????
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131456 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #4 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:33am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am: But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers???? Nobody has ever said that they are all genuine refugees. Why the lies?
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Reply #5 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:42am

The arguments are about the interception on the High Seas and the lodgings while processing occurs and the overall approach of governments here to those found to be genuine.... nobody ever said that every refugee applicant was 100% genuine.... just that they should be given the fair chance to show their position and not be abused and their international rights abrogated along the way and intimidated and threatened with deportation to a disease, poverty and crime ridden filth-hole even when found to be genuine.

Hope that helps... the self-serving confusion of issues seems to be a serious problem with ideologues of all kinds.

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Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 8:07am

CRIPES !

O'Neill is a FINE one to be quoting on matters "genuine" and "transparency"

Try googling
"peter o'neill png human rights"

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PNG blocks Manus Island inquiries

Saturday, March 29, 2014

Two legal inquiries into the violence at the Manus Island detention centre have been shut down.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has defended Papua New Guinea's efforts to shut down at least two legal inquiries into the treatment of asylum seekers in the Manus Island detention centre, after the violence that left one man dead and scores injured.

A PNG National Court judge, Justice David Cannings, announced early last month he would hold an independent inquiry into the conditions in the centre, and determine whether asylum seekers' human rights were being upheld under the country's constitution.

He told Australian Lawyers for Human Rights last August that he was able to exercise these powers under the law: "In human rights we have a provision in the Constitution, section 57, that we have a duty to enforce human rights and in the same section, it says that judges can do this on their own initiative."

But on March 21, the PNG government accused the former human rights lawyer of bias, and obtained a court injunction to force a stay on his inquiry. Cannings had already toured the centre and held several interviews with asylum seekers. He ordered Australian barrister Jay Williams to go back into the centre and continue to collect affidavits from 75 detainees.

On March 24, Williams initiated a challenge to the indefinite detention of those he interviewed at the local district court and returned to the centre to continue questioning. Although he cannot appear as a lawyer in PNG courts, anyone can launch a human rights appeal. Three days after he filed that case, on March 28, officials produced a court order against Williams to leave the centre.

Cannings has scheduled further hearings for his second inquiry.
But the PNG government is launching a Supreme Court appeal on the grounds that Cannings will not disqualify himself on the grounds of "partiality"

Yet the fact that PNG is going to arguably extraordinary lengths to prevent an independent investigation into the detention camp that was the site of an organised, violent assault on its inmates is indicative of the offshore refugee prison's true purpose

and, YES - the exposé is courtesy of ...

https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/56143

... present the disputing evidence, if you care

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #7 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:23am Buzz, whatever you care to quote from greenleft.org, the reality is most people don't give a damn . . .they just want rid of them.
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Reply #8 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:30am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers????

Of the refugees where Australia made the same determination and sent them back a very healthy portion quickly disappeared many at the airport where they arrived never to be seen again and others were dead in a relatively short period of time. Turned out that many were genuine and had good reason to fear for their life after all.

I hope PNG do not get the same result.

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Reply #9 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers????

They are all genuine refugees - some genuine refugees do not qualify is all.

Economic refugees are still genuine it is just that we have no responsibility to protect them under UN regulations.

Extreme poverty regularly kills many people and many people do genuinely seek refuge from it.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3867 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #10 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:38am re Bogarde73 I have to agree, in reality, most people dont care, and dont understand. They feel fearful in a time when they were told that their own security is at risk. And so the asylum seekers become sort of surrogate quick solution.
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Reply #11 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:46am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers????

Of the refugees where Australia made the same determination and sent them back a very healthy portion quickly disappeared many at the airport where they arrived never to be seen again and others were dead in a relatively short period of time. Turned out that many were genuine and had good reason to fear for their life after all.

I hope PNG do not get the same result.

Think we might need a link and some proof.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 131456 Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #12 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 10:41am ian wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 6:43am: I think many of them are just out there trying to have economic opportunities that Australia and other countries offer to them,” Mr O’Neill told the ABC. Seriously? They're trying to make a better life for themselves and their families? The nerve!
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Reply #13 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 10:51am

HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 28^th, 2015 at 7:19am:

But we keep getting told by the usual suspects that they are all genuine refugees??? How could it possibly be true that most are country shoppers????

Of the refugees where Australia made the same determination and sent them back a very healthy portion quickly disappeared many at the airport where they arrived never to be seen again and others were dead in a relatively short period of time. Turned out that many were genuine and had good reason to fear for their life after all.

I hope PNG do not get the same result.

Think we might need a link and some proof.

Has been provided many times - find it yourself if you like - it may help you to remember for next time, spoon feeding does not seem to work.

Besides I am going out.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41420 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Asylum seekers to be sent back to home countries Reply #14 - Jan 28^th, 2015 at 11:37am many blessings and so comes the announcement all the original boat people aka british crown/cronis the titan whom ate its own young , is to be sent back to whence they came ... why is this one may well ask yet according to the divine plan and so be it namaste - : ) =
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