http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-f...

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http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

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http://mic.com/articles/21330/there-are-32-000-gun-deaths-a-year-in-the-u-s-here...

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http://usconservatives.about.com/od/capitalpunishment/a/Putting-Gun-Death-Statis...

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gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:


Not sure that your chart helps your argument, are you saying that around 30,000 deaths are a good result because there are so many guns that it should be a lot more? You would think that a little sanity could save about 20,000 lives per year.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:21pm:


Good point!

Now, let's have the figures of those shot by registered gun-owners by the use their own registered weapons, shall we?

Or is that too hard?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:37pm:


Given the obvious solution to disaster & tragedy, why don't we disarm Governments?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:



Too irrelevant.

Gunshot wounds are gunshot wounds, no matter what gun they come from or who fires them.

Try this, I did try to provide the link, it appears unless I have 100 posts I am unable to provide a live link: The figures are as published, no one disputes them. Poor British, at the mercy of criminals, violent crime going through the roof.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. By James Slack
Updated: 09:14 AEST, 3 July 2009
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European Union, it has been revealed. Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries. The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behavior. Britain has an even worse violence rate than South Africa. The Tories said Labor had presided over a decade of spiraling violence. In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.
The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
•      The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
•      It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
•      The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
•      It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents. In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92, and South Africa 1,609.
Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Nasus seems to be cherry picking

nasus wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 9:05am:




I did, they don't, they have some restrictions. And there was never a retraction of earlier laws, there was merely a commission which recommended stronger laws which hasn't been enacted on even though the two major parties both support stronger bill. It is also the case that while the laws are relatively liberal, the police andx government have stronger unofficial policies towards guns.