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Reply #15 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:12pm
 
The message from Australian Unions is clear: penalty rates, wages, conditions, safety and rights at work are not up for grabs.

"Union-won conditions are a fundamental pillar of the decent living standards that Australians want protected and we are not going to sit back while the Abbott Government does the bidding of big business and tries to attack them.        
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Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
As Abbotts recession looms large in 2015 all Abbott can think to do is bash hard working Australians.

The question is.."How long will it take to fix the damage done to the economy and Australias reputation by Tony Abbott after we kick him out in 2016?"


I thought it was supposed to be 2014??  can you get ANYTHING right?

The next election is due in 2016. If Abbott didn't call a DD like he promised, that's his problem.
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:34pm
 
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The message from Australian Unions is clear


.......we want it all NOW but we don't want to work for it and someone else has to pay for it   Sad


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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 1:12am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
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Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions


......by drama queens


especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation.

funniest thing is listening to the dole-bludging IMFULLOFIT go on about 'workers' rights, as if he even knows what it is to work!


Like the laughable 'commission of audit' rubber-stamp for already determined policy thrusts.. something that cost millions in a 'budget crisis'.... and fed the losers who cling to the Liberal Party as the barnacles they are a few fist-fulls of fat bucks for nothing?

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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:20am
 
Bam wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
As Abbotts recession looms large in 2015 all Abbott can think to do is bash hard working Australians.

The question is.."How long will it take to fix the damage done to the economy and Australias reputation by Tony Abbott after we kick him out in 2016?"


I thought it was supposed to be 2014??  can you get ANYTHING right?

The next election is due in 2016. If Abbott didn't call a DD like he promised, that's his problem.


you are missing the backstory.  Adelcrow was consistently misrepresenting the date of the next election during Gillard's time.  as late as January 2013 he was saying that Gillard still had 2 years to go.  as he reckons time, it is still 2012.
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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:23am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 1:12am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Quote:
Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions


......by drama queens


especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation.

funniest thing is listening to the dole-bludging IMFULLOFIT go on about 'workers' rights, as if he even knows what it is to work!


Like the laughable 'commission of audit' rubber-stamp for already determined policy thrusts.. something that cost millions in a 'budget crisis'.... and fed the losers who cling to the Liberal Party as the barnacles they are a few fist-fulls of fat bucks for nothing?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/lmao.gif




so what would you have done?  just sit around running the biggest deficit in history and pretend you knew what was wrong?  Or perhaps you could have a few guesses just to be sure.

What is the first thing any CEO does when he takes over a company in any kind of trouble?  AN AUDIT.
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Re: Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack
Reply #21 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:55am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
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Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions



......by drama queens




especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation





Of COURSE it's an "inquiry"
It's not like
Abbott
or
Abetz
would LIE about such matters ?

LET them have their re-badged
WorkChoices

It's just one more nail in the coffin




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Reply #22 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:05am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:06pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
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Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack


I don't see any suggestion that they will suggest expanding workers rights, increase penalty rates recommend wage increases or higher superannuation etc.

All the focus is on the pretence of improved productivity, reduced conditions removal or reduction of penalties, overtime, reduced take home pay etc.

Bloody oath it is an attack.



why is 'improving productivity' such a problem for you?  don't you realise that the only way you get real increases in wages is via increased productivity?  not to mention less unemployment and greater national wealth.

our lowest unemployment was under workchoices as well as the highest increase in real wages in over a decade.

what a horrible state to be in!  image higher wages and more jobs!!  we must resist that so we can keep the right to a 15min smoko.

how dumb can you get?


I am all for improved productivity but do not believe that it means reducing working conditions and pay - that is just the easy cheap and nasty way of doing it.

As shown in the graph that somebody keeps endlessly posting employee productivity has been on the increase for years and it is the side that management is responsible for that has been lagging and a failure. There has already been a mile of employee generated productivity increase which was never paid for adequately.

Attacking working conditions does not equate to improved productivity.
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Reply #23 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:09am
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:34pm:
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The message from Australian Unions is clear


.......we want it all NOW but we don't want to work for it and someone else has to pay for it   Sad


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You seem to have reversed the topic and the enquiry - this has nothing to do with employees getting anything - it is about taking things away ?

The unions are not asking for anything at all here so it is difficult to determine what you are on about except for beating the same old anti union drum for no reason.
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Re: Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack
Reply #24 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:20am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:23am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 1:12am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Quote:
Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions


......by drama queens


especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation.

funniest thing is listening to the dole-bludging IMFULLOFIT go on about 'workers' rights, as if he even knows what it is to work!


Like the laughable 'commission of audit' rubber-stamp for already determined policy thrusts.. something that cost millions in a 'budget crisis'.... and fed the losers who cling to the Liberal Party as the barnacles they are a few fist-fulls of fat bucks for nothing?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/lmao.gif




so what would you have done?  just sit around running the biggest deficit in history and pretend you knew what was wrong?  Or perhaps you could have a few guesses just to be sure.

What is the first thing any CEO does when he takes over a company in any kind of trouble?  AN AUDIT.



Does he seek advice and information from independent people or does he just give a handout to some like-minded and already converted barnacles to pay lip service to his already set in place policies and ideas?

That's the issue with the commission of audit....

Government is not a business in any case and should never ever say it is.... the 'Government Inc' movement from the 'right' in the 1980's/1990' does not act as a business - it takes ONLY the bits it wants from business practice and then just grabs to fill in the gaps, while fattening self and cronies.

Just another huge lie....
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Reply #25 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:23am
 
Two things we c an thank Tony for:-

a)  Shirt-Front

b)  Barnacles

and now..... introducing a new avant garde band.. The Shirt-Front Barnacles... with their new hit single....

"Clinging to My Shirt By a Finger Nail"....
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Reply #26 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:40am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:20am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:23am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 1:12am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Quote:
Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions


......by drama queens


especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation.

funniest thing is listening to the dole-bludging IMFULLOFIT go on about 'workers' rights, as if he even knows what it is to work!


Like the laughable 'commission of audit' rubber-stamp for already determined policy thrusts.. something that cost millions in a 'budget crisis'.... and fed the losers who cling to the Liberal Party as the barnacles they are a few fist-fulls of fat bucks for nothing?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/lmao.gif




so what would you have done?  just sit around running the biggest deficit in history and pretend you knew what was wrong?  Or perhaps you could have a few guesses just to be sure.

What is the first thing any CEO does when he takes over a company in any kind of trouble?  AN AUDIT.



Does he seek advice and information from independent people or does he just give a handout to some like-minded and already converted barnacles to pay lip service to his already set in place policies and ideas?

That's the issue with the commission of audit....

Government is not a business in any case and should never ever say it is.... the 'Government Inc' movement from the 'right' in the 1980's/1990' does not act as a business - it takes ONLY the bits it wants from business practice and then just grabs to fill in the gaps, while fattening self and cronies.

Just another huge lie....


maybe if you asked a serious question you would get a serious answer.  Given that it was lead by the best treasurer we ever had - Peter Costello  - it is hard to see your criticism can be based on objective facts.  Costello is not an abbott fan and has nothing to gain by lying.  Could it be what the audit said was correct?  or would you prefer to wait until the next govt does the same thing and you say the same things?

not everyone is lying for political gain.  Perhaps you should consider that.
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Re: Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack
Reply #27 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:09pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 9:05am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:06pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
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Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack


I don't see any suggestion that they will suggest expanding workers rights, increase penalty rates recommend wage increases or higher superannuation etc.

All the focus is on the pretence of improved productivity, reduced conditions removal or reduction of penalties, overtime, reduced take home pay etc.

Bloody oath it is an attack.



why is 'improving productivity' such a problem for you?  don't you realise that the only way you get real increases in wages is via increased productivity?  not to mention less unemployment and greater national wealth.

our lowest unemployment was under workchoices as well as the highest increase in real wages in over a decade.

what a horrible state to be in!  image higher wages and more jobs!!  we must resist that so we can keep the right to a 15min smoko.

how dumb can you get?


I am all for improved productivity but do not believe that it means reducing working conditions and pay - that is just the easy cheap and nasty way of doing it.

As shown in the graph that somebody keeps endlessly posting employee productivity has been on the increase for years and it is the side that management is responsible for that has been lagging and a failure. There has already been a mile of employee generated productivity increase which was never paid for adequately.

Attacking working conditions does not equate to improved productivity.


an a classic case many years ago an NT abbatoir offered its workers and alternative.  award wages and conditions and $300/wk or piece work where they got paid for that that did and nothing else and averaged $1300/wk.  not surprisingly, the union complained. 

the workers were higher paid, more productive by far and everyone was better off.   now tell me again why conditions and benefits are sacroscant in the pursuit of higher wages and more productivity?
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Re: Review Of Workplace Laws Seen As Attack
Reply #28 - Dec 21st, 2014 at 12:17pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:40am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 11:20am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 7:23am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 21st, 2014 at 1:12am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Dec 20th, 2014 at 8:49am:
Quote:
Productivity Commission Review of workplace laws seen as attack on hard-won conditions


......by drama queens


especially since it is an ENQUIRY, not proposed legislation.

funniest thing is listening to the dole-bludging IMFULLOFIT go on about 'workers' rights, as if he even knows what it is to work!


Like the laughable 'commission of audit' rubber-stamp for already determined policy thrusts.. something that cost millions in a 'budget crisis'.... and fed the losers who cling to the Liberal Party as the barnacles they are a few fist-fulls of fat bucks for nothing?

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/lmao.gif




so what would you have done?  just sit around running the biggest deficit in history and pretend you knew what was wrong?  Or perhaps you could have a few guesses just to be sure.

What is the first thing any CEO does when he takes over a company in any kind of trouble?  AN AUDIT.



Does he seek advice and information from independent people or does he just give a handout to some like-minded and already converted barnacles to pay lip service to his already set in place policies and ideas?

That's the issue with the commission of audit....

Government is not a business in any case and should never ever say it is.... the 'Government Inc' movement from the 'right' in the 1980's/1990' does not act as a business - it takes ONLY the bits it wants from business practice and then just grabs to fill in the gaps, while fattening self and cronies.

Just another huge lie....


maybe if you asked a serious question you would get a serious answer.  Given that it was lead by the best treasurer we ever had - Peter Costello  - it is hard to see your criticism can be based on objective facts.  Costello is not an abbott fan and has nothing to gain by lying.  Could it be what the audit said was correct?  or would you prefer to wait until the next govt does the same thing and you say the same things?

not everyone is lying for political gain.  Perhaps you should consider that.


Don't claim objectivity when you come up with The Great Costello myth.. many shoot that down daily.

No government or business in the past twenty years has managed to get it right.... and it's time for a change.
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