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Reply #15 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
The aboriginal flag is the clearest evidence of racism that I have yet seen in this country.



I love the irony.

The biggest racist in this forum doesn't understand the meaning of the word 'racism'.

I needed a good laugh.
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Reply #16 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?



We join countries like the US, Canada and New Zealand who have recognised indigenous people in their Constitutions

NSW, South Australia, Victoria and (can you believe it) Queensland have recognised or made moves to recognise Aboriginal people in their Constitutions.
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Reply #17 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:56pm
 
I happen to disagree with Noel Pearson's insistence that ALL aborigines be treated the same as everyone else.

I think any reasonable person would believe that not all aborigines are yet suited to a western workaday lifestyle of a 5-day working week with all it entails.

Some of our more outback and rural indigenous Australians need to be left alone to be as they are, while financed and looked after by Big Brother government agencies.

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Reply #18 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Once you start making apartheid constitutional recognition for one group as being distinct from the mainstream ~ where does it all end?



We join countries like the US, Canada and New Zealand who have recognised indigenous people in their Constitutions

NSW, South Australia, Victoria and (can you believe it) Queensland have recognised or made moves to recognise Aboriginal people in their Constitutions.


Okay then ~ let's do it.  Smiley

(You see. I am negotiable).  Smiley

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Reply #19 - Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm:
Here you go Herbert

Edmund Barton, the power was necessary to ''regulate the affairs of the people of coloured or inferior races who are in the Commonwealth''.


Even to this present day, I don't hear too much objection and protest from the Aboriginal Victimhood Industry that indigenous Australians are not required, as everyone else is, to be actively looking for work if they are on the dole, and that they must sign a Mutual Obligation Agreement document as a prerequisite for receiving the dole.

And must attend all job interviews as dictated by their local Centrelink office. Uniquely, as with Strait Islanders, Aborigines are not required to look for work while receiving the dole.


Really Herb where do you get your info from?

Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.

Wait you are thinking of what it was like a couple years ago when they got free jet skis and free first class airfares anywhere they want. 
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Reply #20 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 9:42pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:41pm:
MumboJumbo wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:16pm:
races power did not originally apply to Aboriginal people


I think you've got it the wrong way round. 51(xxvi) says:
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the people of any race , other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws;

and the part about the aboriginal race was repealed in... the 50's IIRC? But at any race, the effect was really to extend the race power to include Aboriginals, whereas previously A. affairs were in the domain of the states.


Until the 1967 referendum Federal Parliament could not make special laws for Aboriginal People. The referendum deleted "other then the aboriginal race" and now Federal Parliament can make laws in regards to Aboriginal People, so originally the race powers did not apply to Aboriginal People.


Sorry, you've got that wrong, Raven.  The Federal Parliament could and did pass laws regarding Indigenes but only in Commonwealth Territories (such as the Northern Territory and/or the ACT).   Clause 51(xxvi) prevented them from passing such laws in the States.

The Commonwealth was also forbidden to count Indigenes in the Census, carried out every four years to determine how many citizens there were in Australia.   This was done because the reason why the Census was enacted was because payments to the Commonwealth by the states was initially on a per capita basis and paid for out of States' taxation revenues.  As Indigenes were deemed "unproductive members of society", the States sought to limit them being included in the Census.  When the States lost the power levelling income taxation in 1942 and the Commonwealth was therefore granted an independent source of income, the reason why they weren't counted became superfluous but remained for reasons of racism.

However, even by 1945, that was under criticism, particularly from the Returned Servicemen's League, as it was perceived unfair that Indigenes fought for Australia but weren't even considered citizens.   In IIRC 1950, a limited franchise was introduced Federally for Indigenous returned servicemen.  This was expanded slightly in the mid-1950s to Indigenous servicemen who had served inside Australia.   At the state level the franchise various significantly from state to state though, with some states such as SA giving the franchise to those Indigenes judged to "civilised enough" and on the registrar of voters.
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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
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Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.



rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.
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Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm
 
Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)
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Reply #23 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:25am
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
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Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.



rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.


Yes, the new ones which are being introduced are much harsher. 

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Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory will be working for around $5 cash an hour under changes to a remote work-for-the-dole scheme, bringing back memories of the old ‘work for rations’ days.

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They are required to do "work for the dole" for 52 weeks a year - this is more than an employed person is normally required under award conditions.   

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It will put tougher requirements on welfare recipients in remote areas, who are already working for the dole, and where the scrapping of CDEP has had disastrous consequences.

In the Northern Territory, the situation is even more dire because of compulsory income management, one of the most controversial planks of the NT intervention.

CDEP was abolished under the NT intervention in 2007, but the Rudd government brought back a severely watered down version of the scheme, before it was transitioned into the RJCP.

Previously, CDEP employed about 7000 Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, who were paid real wages for their employment, which was provided through a block grant to community-controlled Aboriginal organisations. It included superannuation and protection under industrial mechanisms like the Fair Work Act and the Occupational Health and Safety Act.

In many communities it was the only source of employment and before 2007 was the largest employer of Aboriginal people in the Territory.

The scrapping of CDEP in the Northern Territory increased unemployment rates “dramatically”, Indigenous policy expert Jon Altman has written.

Under the current RJCP, Aboriginal workers in NT communities were already working 16 hours a week for Newstart wages. The new changes will toughen requirements, forcing welfare recipients in remote areas to work 25 hours, five days a week over 52 weeks in order to receive their welfare payments.

In contrast, recipients in regional areas and cities will only be required to work under these conditions for six months, under wider reforms to welfare across Australia.

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Reply #24 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:29am
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:
Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)


Spoken like a racist.  Without the contribution provided by Indigenous workers, the cattle and sheep industries would not be what they are today.  Indigenous stockmen have long been used in those industries.   Further, most Indigenes are not perpetrators of "crime, drunkeness [or] indolence".

Time you pulled your head out of the gutter and went out and looked a rural and remote Australia.  Ever been to Broome?  Most of the population is Indigenes.  They work successfully in all the industries of the North-West and the Top End.  Indeed, most of those industries would cease to function if the Indigenes withdrew their labour.   Your attempt to characterise them in such terms is racism at it's worst.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #25 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:38am
 
the majority of so called indiginous people do not live in the country but near cities. are you australian? Because any Australian would know this.
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Reply #26 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:39am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:25am:
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
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Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.



rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.


Yes, the new ones which are being introduced are much harsher. 

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Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory will be working for around $5 cash an hour under changes to a remote work-for-the-dole scheme, bringing back memories of the old ‘work for rations’ days.

[Source]

They are required to do "work for the dole" for 52 weeks a year - this is more than an employed person is normally required under award conditions.   

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It will put tougher requirements on welfare recipients in remote areas, who are already working for the dole, and where the scrapping of CDEP has had disastrous consequences.

In the Northern Territory, the situation is even more dire because of compulsory income management, one of the most controversial planks of the NT intervention.

CDEP was abolished under the NT intervention in 2007, but the Rudd government brought back a severely watered down version of the scheme, before it was transitioned into the RJCP.

Previously, CDEP employed about 7000 Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, who were paid real wages for their employment, which was provided through a block grant to community-controlled Aboriginal organisations. It included superannuation and protection under industrial mechanisms like the Fair Work Act and the Occupational Health and Safety Act.

In many communities it was the only source of employment and before 2007 was the largest employer of Aboriginal people in the Territory.

The scrapping of CDEP in the Northern Territory increased unemployment rates “dramatically”, Indigenous policy expert Jon Altman has written.

Under the current RJCP, Aboriginal workers in NT communities were already working 16 hours a week for Newstart wages. The new changes will toughen requirements, forcing welfare recipients in remote areas to work 25 hours, five days a week over 52 weeks in order to receive their welfare payments.

In contrast, recipients in regional areas and cities will only be required to work under these conditions for six months, under wider reforms to welfare across Australia.

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these are 'plans". You know what government "plans" are dont you?
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Reply #27 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:46am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 23rd, 2014 at 12:29am:
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:
Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)


Spoken like a racist.  Without the contribution provided by Indigenous workers, the cattle and sheep industries would not be what they are today.  Indigenous stockmen have long been used in those industries.   Further, most Indigenes are not perpetrators of "crime, drunkeness [or] indolence".

Time you pulled your head out of the gutter and went out and looked a rural and remote Australia.  Ever been to Broome?  Most of the population is Indigenes.  They work successfully in all the industries of the North-West and the Top End.  Indeed, most of those industries would cease to function if the Indigenes withdrew their labour.   Your attempt to characterise them in such terms is racism at it's worst.    Roll Eyes

ROFL!!!! You ever been to Broome? Obviously not. Lololololoolooll
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Reply #28 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 2:21pm
 
ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Raven wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
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Every Aboriginal person I know who is receiving the dole is required to abide by the same conditions as the rest of Australia. That includes looking for work and attending job interviews.



rubbish. They are not required and very few do. There are separate conditions for aboriginal people.


And your proof is?

Aboriginal people are required to abide by the same conditions to receive Newstart as the rest of the nation

Payments for indigenous Australians

Newstart Allowance provides financial help if you are looking for work and supports you while you take part in activities that may increase your chances of finding a job.

Indigenous Australians looking for work, studying or training

Support when you are looking for work

You may be able to get Newstart Allowance, which gives you financial support while you do activities that may increase your chances of finding a job, such as studying or training.

You may need to start attending Job Seeker Workshops if you are a job seeker who is:
•in your first 13 weeks of unemployment
•able to work

If you are a Job seeker claiming Newstart or Youth Allowance and have participation requirements, you may be referred to an Employment Service Provider to assist you to get a job.

These requirements are the same for non Aboriginal people receiving Centrelink
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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 16th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
And he was, of course, quite correct in assuming that a people of a Stone Age culture should not be burdened with the same civic responsibilities as the settlers and immigrants.


ian wrote on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:
Australia is not their country, it is ours, Aboriginal people didnt have a country, they were tribal people separated by different cultural traditions and  languages who happened to live here and did nothing to develop the country for upwards of 50,000 years. They didnt even know it was a country. If we do recognise them in the constitution  we should also recognise their contribution to the making of Australia (zero) and their contribution to current Australia (crime, drunkeness, indolence etc.)


Re-posted for the lols. I hope everyone else can laugh at these pitiful racists instead of getting offended.

You see, it is in fact a clever satire of the racist culture within Autralia, and I applaud ian & herb for their witty and ironic deconstruction of racism.

Much appreciated, lads.
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Why the bugger did I get stuck on a planet chalked full of imbeciles?
 
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