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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #45 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #46 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:01pm

Soren wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:59pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 5:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 4:06pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 3:45pm:

If you take away Islam, most of them would have no reason to slaughter innocent people.

An abstract set of beliefs isn't making them insane.

Take away Islam, and they'll find another reason to carry out their deranged deeds.

These people are insane, murdering, sociopathic scum. By simply blaming Islam, you're excusing the human involved.

I afford them no excuses: I'm no terrorist apologist. Pity I can't say the same for many others in here.

(Just remember: not all terrorists/murderers are Muslims).

Islam drove them mad.

I don't believe it did. I don't believe that an abstract set of beliefs & values can drive someone mad. Certainly not a book.

Don't get me wrong, Islam is a particularly stupid religion. No argument from me on that one.

However, I believe that they were already mad: they just needed a trigger - any trigger - to get them started.

Blaming Islam is merely providing the human players with an excuse.

"If it wasn't for Islam, these people would be wonderful, law-abiding citizens just like anyone else".

Bullshit. Pure bullshit. They're evil sociopaths, and Islam is just a convenient excuse they use in order to commit murder.

Saying that "Islam drove them mad" is nothing more than a terrorist apologist statement.

You have to live with that, I suppose.

I, however, make no apologies for terrorists.

Islam seems to attract the mental ill, the sociopaths and psychopaths. There are more Islamic terrorist organisations (by your reckoning, mentally ill social misfits) that any other kind. This means that Islam is bad for your mental health. There should be a health warning on every copy of the Koran.

Agreed.

As I have said, on so many occasions, it's a particularly silly religion.

Then again, we could say the same for many other religions: "[Insert name of religion] seems to attract the mental ill, the sociopaths and psychopaths."

Thank you for being a predictably stupid progressive.

No other [Insert name of religion] beheads people on youtube and on the streets of London, or shoots them in Ottawa, in France, Bombay, etc, etc.

Agreed. I'm not aware of any other.

However, that's not what I said.

I said, and I quote (myself): ["Insert name of religion] seems to attract the mental ill, the sociopaths and psychopaths."

Why did you feel the need to introduce a straw man, Sore End?

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #47 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:03pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Why would I want to feed your straw man fetish?

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #48 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

As a rough estimate, I would say that I've dissed Islam at least two dozen times on this forum.

I've actually lost count of the times that I've said that "Islam is a particularly silly/stupid religion".

By all means though, provide some links that support you claim that I am a "Islamic apologist".

I look forward to doing you slowly.

Over to you ...

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #49 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Why would I want to feed your straw man fetish?

I don't expect you to do something that was never demanded.

All I merely wanted was an answer to my plea.

If you have no answer, all you have to do is say so.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #50 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:16pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

As a rough estimate, I would say that I've dissed Islam at least two dozen times on this forum.

I've actually lost count of the times that I've said that "Islam is a particularly silly/stupid religion".

By all means though, provide some links that support you claim that I am a "Islamic apologist".

I look forward to doing you slowly.

Over to you ...

Taken out of context, greg.

I was merely responding in kind - like that of yours to Sprintcyclist.

It's awfully hard to gauge sarcasm when written, isn't it?

As for doing me slowly, perhaps it's better if you kept these little fantasies to yourself. Consider yourself on notice.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #51 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:29pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

As a rough estimate, I would say that I've dissed Islam at least two dozen times on this forum.

I've actually lost count of the times that I've said that "Islam is a particularly silly/stupid religion".

By all means though, provide some links that support you claim that I am a "Islamic apologist".

I look forward to doing you slowly.

Over to you ...

Taken out of context, greg.

I was merely responding in kind - like that of yours to Sprintcyclist.

It's awfully hard to gauge sarcasm when written, isn't it?

As for doing me slowly, perhaps it's better if you kept these little fantasies to yourself. Consider yourself on notice.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #52 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:46pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:38pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

What about people who want to gently and peacefully strip you of your freedom and human rights?

Yeah, because only radical Islam does that Roll Eyes

The point is stratos, that saying that we must only criticise terrorists rather than Muslims, and we must try to separate this from Islam, implies that terrorism is the only problem people might have with Islam. Terrorism is only the tip of a very large iceberg. When you see the size of the iceberg you realise that the iceberg is not radical Islam, but mainstream Islam. It is Muhammed, the Koran, Hadiths, and the views of modern 21st century Muslims.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #53 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 10:42pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

lionel - yes, I am disappointed at posters who do not answer questions.
It is undeniable that some Christians/scientologists do 'bad things'.
That is not an issue.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #54 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 10:49pm

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:46pm:

The point is stratos, that saying that we must only criticise terrorists rather than Muslims, and we must try to separate this from Islam, implies that terrorism is the only problem people might have with Islam. Terrorism is only the tip of a very large iceberg. When you see the size of the iceberg you realise that the iceberg is not radical Islam, but mainstream Islam. It is Muhammed, the Koran, Hadiths, and the views of modern 21st century Muslims.

Just think Stratos, in 2007 FD would have been making the exact same point you were making, and condemning comments like this above as "tarring all muslims with the same brush".

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #56 - Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59pm

freediver wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

What about people who want to gently and peacefully strip you of your freedom and human rights?

You mean like Christians have done throughout history?

The Christian conquerors of the New World did exactly that to the Native Americans, now didn't they and all too often in the name of their religion. Then we have what happened to the Australian indigenes. Yet you'd only ever claim Muslims do it, right, FD? Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #57 - Nov 24^th, 2014 at 12:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 10:42pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

lionel - yes, I am disappointed at posters who do not answer questions.

I’m not. Sprint takes great pride in not answering questions. He sometimes blames the questioner’s intellectual inferiority rather than answer their questions.

The rest of the time he just stays mute.

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #58 - Nov 24^th, 2014 at 7:17am

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 24^th, 2014 at 12:04am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 10:42pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 7:28pm:

greg - let me know when the next scientology/Christian terrorist arises.

Way to miss the point, terrorist apologist.

Please provide me with an example of the last time hostages were executed because they couldn't recite the Ten Commandments (or any other credo demanded by their abductors - except the Muslim ones).

Way to miss the point, Islamic apologist.

lionel - yes, I am disappointed at posters who do not answer questions.

I’m not. Sprint takes great pride in not answering questions. He sometimes blames the questioner’s intellectual inferiority rather than answer their questions.

The rest of the time he just stays mute.

All of the terrorist apologists, such as Sprint, take pride in not answering questions.

Cunning?

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Re: Kenya: terrorists kill non-muslim bus passengers
Reply #59 - Nov 24^th, 2014 at 7:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2014 at 11:02pm:

Since 2007 FD has learnt a lot about islam and muslims

little of it he likes

I can't think of much that I like about Islam either.

I can't think of anything that I like about terrorists.

You, and your fellow terrorist apologists, seem to think they're OK though.

"If it wasn't for Islam, they'd be fine upstanding members of society".

Why do you continually make excuses for them?

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