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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Australia on brink of landmark cattle deal.. Reply #60 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:27am The Chinese have zero regard for animal rights and minor regard for human rights. Those who think we should sell our soul to the Chinese betray their own culture and our history of human rights. This should be non negotiable, anything else is un Australian.
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Re: Australia on brink of landmark cattle deal..
Reply #61 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:30am

True Blue... wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:02am:

ian wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 11:31pm:

I dont trust the Chinese to be humane, whoever thinks that is in cloud cuckoo land. Never mind the extreme cruelty of the travel conditions. We need to ban this abhorrent live export trade completely, yesterday.

everyone is pretty sure you don't know what you are talking about.. durr

everyone? Are you sure? Are you omnipotent now.
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Reply #62 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 4:30am

True Blue... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Very premature in the gloating folks ~ 'the ink is not dry ~ well that's what Joyce said later today trying to hose down the false expectation of early this morning. And.....we don't have a million units of cattle loitering around the place ready to leap on a ship to travel to non-existent Chinese receiving logistics.

no one is gloating aussie but we are all excited after years of being the world joke in export terms due to Labors laziness and frequent habit of insulting our trading partners... Angry

look at all the lefties in this thread... its like they hate success and are trying to howl it down..

looking at labors 8 years in office they made sure that there was no success as they know that their supporters just hate it as much as they do...

spend up big, throw away money like drunken sailors and destroy business by banging stupid taxes on them like the "carbon tax"... and put Australia in massive debt..

then when their useless leaders die some years later they hail them as hero's... Roll Eyes

Abbot is the one been insulting our trading partners!

Deals like this (tho not 1m cattle obviously) probably feasible due to Gillard negotiating for the $A to be the third currency that can be directly traded for the Chinese currency.

The stimulus protected us from the GFC, no recession here and we were the 12th largest economy at the time of the election, having surpassed Spain. 12th largest!

The Carbon Price was working well, very many businesses adapted when the price signal hit and reduced costs overall as well as reducing emissions. What put us in debt was Costello’s structural Budget deficit and Howard’s irresponsible spending which is STILL causing the Budget to bleed red ink to negative gearers, to the super rich using super to avoid tax and the like. The highly indebted household sector is also holding back the recovery—this debt due to the real estate boom 2001–7 that Howard & Costello fed with tax cuts, pork and irresponsible spending.

This present shambles increased spending, wound back action to tighten FBT and reduce the super rort. Their incompetent Budget is still not through the Parliament and much will be just abandoned.

I would wait till the MEYFO is out before slamming the previous Labor govt!

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Reply #63 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:44am

John Smith wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 7:04am:

True Blue... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 6:10am:

... the Abbott Government has secured this massive deal in just over 12 months of Government..

Really ?

On 18 April 2005, Australia and China agreed to commence negotiations on a Free Trade Agreement (FTA) following consideration of a joint FTA Feasibility Study. The study was completed in March 2005, and concluded that there would be significant economic benefits for both Australia and China through the negotiation of an FTA.

The negotiations are complex, covering an array of issues, including agricultural tariffs and quotas, manufactured goods, services, temporary entry of people and foreign investment.

http://www.dfat.gov.au/fta/acfta/

Started under Howard, Labor couldn't conclude it, but now Abbott looks like he has within 12 months or so. Labor are useless.

it's easy to conclude negotiations when you just give the other side whatever they want .... Cheesy

What makes you think that's what happened? Maybe the Chinese saw the state of Labor in federal politics and used it as leverage to push for more for their side, given Rudd and Gillards' weak positions and lack of popularity with the public? Along comes Abbott, showing some spine and integrity and gets us what we need.

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Reply #64 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:46am

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 4:30am:

True Blue... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Very premature in the gloating folks ~ 'the ink is not dry ~ well that's what Joyce said later today trying to hose down the false expectation of early this morning. And.....we don't have a million units of cattle loitering around the place ready to leap on a ship to travel to non-existent Chinese receiving logistics.

no one is gloating aussie but we are all excited after years of being the world joke in export terms due to Labors laziness and frequent habit of insulting our trading partners... Angry

look at all the lefties in this thread... its like they hate success and are trying to howl it down..

looking at labors 8 years in office they made sure that there was no success as they know that their supporters just hate it as much as they do...

spend up big, throw away money like drunken sailors and destroy business by banging stupid taxes on them like the "carbon tax"... and put Australia in massive debt..

then when their useless leaders die some years later they hail them as hero's... Roll Eyes

Abbot is the one been insulting our trading partners!

Deals like this (tho not 1m cattle obviously) probably feasible due to Gillard negotiating for the $A to be the third currency that can be directly traded for the Chinese currency.

The stimulus protected us from the GFC, no recession here and we were the 12th largest economy at the time of the election, having surpassed Spain. 12th largest!

The Carbon Price was working well, very many businesses adapted when the price signal hit and reduced costs overall as well as reducing emissions. What put us in debt was Costello’s structural Budget deficit and Howard’s irresponsible spending which is STILL causing the Budget to bleed red ink to negative gearers, to the super rich using super to avoid tax and the like. The highly indebted household sector is also holding back the recovery—this debt due to the real estate boom 2001–7 that Howard & Costello fed with tax cuts, pork and irresponsible spending.

This present shambles increased spending, wound back action to tighten FBT and reduce the super rort. Their incompetent Budget is still not through the Parliament and much will be just abandoned.

I would wait till the MEYFO is out before slamming the previous Labor govt!

Did you forget what Gillard did to the cattle industry over Indonesia? Did you forget what Rudd called the Chinese, our biggest trading partner? Yeah, of course you did!

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Reply #65 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:09am

Monkey putting a date on when the FTA is to be signed is the biggest of his many huge blunders—it just gives too much power to the Chinese who just have to sit tight and the Australian negotiators will have to cave to get the stupid thing signed!

Monkey would have been wiser to work to a deadline known only to him and Robb of mid–2016.

A propaganda coup when needed and no need to concede on everything.

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Reply #66 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:12am

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Did you forget what Gillard did to the cattle industry over Indonesia? Did you forget what Rudd called the Chinese, our biggest trading partner? Yeah, of course you did!

Cattle industry must be in good shape despite the needed temporary ban—hardly any cattle available to china! Rudd called the chinese ratf*ckers? Did they recall their Ambassador? Or just ignore this?

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Reply #67 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:44am:

Maybe the Chinese saw the state of Labor in federal politics and used it as leverage to push for more for their side, given Rudd and Gillards' weak positions and lack of popularity with the public? Along comes Abbott, showing some spine and integrity and gets us what we need

and maybe they were so impressed when they saw Abbott riding Rudolph the red nosed reindeer, that they just gave in to his demands? Cheesy

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Reply #68 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:46am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 4:30am:

True Blue... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Very premature in the gloating folks ~ 'the ink is not dry ~ well that's what Joyce said later today trying to hose down the false expectation of early this morning. And.....we don't have a million units of cattle loitering around the place ready to leap on a ship to travel to non-existent Chinese receiving logistics.

no one is gloating aussie but we are all excited after years of being the world joke in export terms due to Labors laziness and frequent habit of insulting our trading partners... Angry

look at all the lefties in this thread... its like they hate success and are trying to howl it down..

looking at labors 8 years in office they made sure that there was no success as they know that their supporters just hate it as much as they do...

spend up big, throw away money like drunken sailors and destroy business by banging stupid taxes on them like the "carbon tax"... and put Australia in massive debt..

then when their useless leaders die some years later they hail them as hero's... Roll Eyes

Abbot is the one been insulting our trading partners!

Deals like this (tho not 1m cattle obviously) probably feasible due to Gillard negotiating for the $A to be the third currency that can be directly traded for the Chinese currency.

The stimulus protected us from the GFC, no recession here and we were the 12th largest economy at the time of the election, having surpassed Spain. 12th largest!

The Carbon Price was working well, very many businesses adapted when the price signal hit and reduced costs overall as well as reducing emissions. What put us in debt was Costello’s structural Budget deficit and Howard’s irresponsible spending which is STILL causing the Budget to bleed red ink to negative gearers, to the super rich using super to avoid tax and the like. The highly indebted household sector is also holding back the recovery—this debt due to the real estate boom 2001–7 that Howard & Costello fed with tax cuts, pork and irresponsible spending.

This present shambles increased spending, wound back action to tighten FBT and reduce the super rort. Their incompetent Budget is still not through the Parliament and much will be just abandoned.

I would wait till the MEYFO is out before slamming the previous Labor govt!

Did you forget what Gillard did to the cattle industry over Indonesia? Did you forget what Rudd called the Chinese, our biggest trading partner? Yeah, of course you did!

just to remind the Labor/Green coalition supporters, as they seem to have memories of a gold fish (3 seconds) he called them slimly little Rat bugger*** ...

I wonder why the useless party couldn't get a trade deal across the line.. even from a country starved of Beef? Roll Eyes

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Re: Australia on brink of landmark cattle deal..
Reply #69 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

True Blue... wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 5:46am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 4:30am:

True Blue... wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 7^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Very premature in the gloating folks ~ 'the ink is not dry ~ well that's what Joyce said later today trying to hose down the false expectation of early this morning. And.....we don't have a million units of cattle loitering around the place ready to leap on a ship to travel to non-existent Chinese receiving logistics.

no one is gloating aussie but we are all excited after years of being the world joke in export terms due to Labors laziness and frequent habit of insulting our trading partners... Angry

look at all the lefties in this thread... its like they hate success and are trying to howl it down..

looking at labors 8 years in office they made sure that there was no success as they know that their supporters just hate it as much as they do...

spend up big, throw away money like drunken sailors and destroy business by banging stupid taxes on them like the "carbon tax"... and put Australia in massive debt..

then when their useless leaders die some years later they hail them as hero's... Roll Eyes

Abbot is the one been insulting our trading partners!

Deals like this (tho not 1m cattle obviously) probably feasible due to Gillard negotiating for the $A to be the third currency that can be directly traded for the Chinese currency.

The stimulus protected us from the GFC, no recession here and we were the 12th largest economy at the time of the election, having surpassed Spain. 12th largest!

The Carbon Price was working well, very many businesses adapted when the price signal hit and reduced costs overall as well as reducing emissions. What put us in debt was Costello’s structural Budget deficit and Howard’s irresponsible spending which is STILL causing the Budget to bleed red ink to negative gearers, to the super rich using super to avoid tax and the like. The highly indebted household sector is also holding back the recovery—this debt due to the real estate boom 2001–7 that Howard & Costello fed with tax cuts, pork and irresponsible spending.

This present shambles increased spending, wound back action to tighten FBT and reduce the super rort. Their incompetent Budget is still not through the Parliament and much will be just abandoned.

I would wait till the MEYFO is out before slamming the previous Labor govt!

Did you forget what Gillard did to the cattle industry over Indonesia? Did you forget what Rudd called the Chinese, our biggest trading partner? Yeah, of course you did!

just to remind the Labor/Green coalition supporters, as they seem to have memories of a gold fish (3 seconds) he called them slimly little Rat bugger*** ...

I wonder why the useless party couldn't get a trade deal across the line.. even from a country starved of Beef? Roll Eyes

I would be asking why the Chinese couldn't wait to sign on the dotted line. Amateur mistake LNP amateur mistake.

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