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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 37678 Gender:	Abbott - no deals. Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:48pm How's that going Tone? Any deals done with PUP and/or the Greens?
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #1 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:54pm Seems abbott is in a race with himself to be the biggest liar on the planet. Race Won.
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DaS Energy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3962 Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #2 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:54pm Aussie wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:48pm: How's that going Tone? Any deals done with PUP and/or the Greens? Whilst I fully agree with the sentiments, its not Anthony Abbott doing the deals its the LNP doing the deals, Abbott is only their office boy!
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #3 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:58pm I'd be more surprised if Abbott actually told the truth for a change
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #4 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 4:59pm You mean you have to negotiate , nobody told Tony Tony is in my home town this weekend, I have quite the reception planned
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #5 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 6:09pm Give Tony a break - he is obviously having a tilt at the record for the least honest PM ever. You can not have a serious go at this title without setting yourself up by making promises that you have no intention of keeping. I don't know if he can beat Howard but he sure is doing all he can to get across the line.
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Reply #6 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 6:22pm

Abbott was hoping his statement not to negotiate would convince voters to give him control of both houses because he promised he could be trusted.....When he did not have control of the Senate he believed his mate Palmer would support his right wing austerity agenda so he introduced a budget that would punish the non believers.....The problem was Palmer is more of a populist than Abbott and wants the electorate to think he is opposing Abbott's right wing agenda whilst secretly negotiating his own dirty deals to let most of it pass.....In the end Abbott and Palmer will both get what they want and the electorate will be left wondering why they got sucked in by two of the most deceitful assholes to ever enter Parliament!!!

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Reply #7 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Abbott was hoping his statement not to negotiate would convince voters to give him control of both houses because he promised he could be trusted.....When he did not have control of the Senate he believed his mate Palmer would support his right wing austerity agenda so he introduced a budget that would punish the non believers.....The problem was Palmer is more of a populist than Abbott and wants the electorate to think he is opposing Abbott's right wing agenda whilst secretly negotiating his own dirty deals to let most of it pass.....In the end Abbott and Palmer will both get what they want and the electorate will be left wondering why they got sucked in by two of the most deceitful assholes to ever enter Parliament!!!

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You have to confess Clive who is a self confessed lib not backing the LNP is pretty farkn funny.

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #8 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:39pm Libs are doomed with Tony at the helm, I have a 3 word slogan, will not last.
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Reply #9 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:49pm

Its time wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 6:22pm:

Abbott was hoping his statement not to negotiate would convince voters to give him control of both houses because he promised he could be trusted.....When he did not have control of the Senate he believed his mate Palmer would support his right wing austerity agenda so he introduced a budget that would punish the non believers.....The problem was Palmer is more of a populist than Abbott and wants the electorate to think he is opposing Abbott's right wing agenda whilst secretly negotiating his own dirty deals to let most of it pass.....In the end Abbott and Palmer will both get what they want and the electorate will be left wondering why they got sucked in by two of the most deceitful assholes to ever enter Parliament!!!

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You have to confess Clive who is a self confessed lib not backing the LNP is pretty farkn funny.

Palmer is playing the populist because he did not get his way with the LNP.....Its called pay back and Clive is using his influence to get what he wants whilst making the LNP squirm a bit.....Clive is still delivering Abbott's right wing agenda in dribs and drabs whilst trying to appear as though he cares about ordinary Australian's...My guess is the education and health reforms proposed in the Abbott Governments budget will get through with Clive's support....PUP is finished but not before they help Abbott deliver his right wing austerity policies and change our nation into the 53rd State of America!!!

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19623 Perth Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #10 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:50pm Its time wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:39pm: Libs are doomed with Tony at the helm, I have a 3 word slogan, will not last. I also have a three word slogan.....We were warned!!!
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #11 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 8:07pm philperth2010 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:50pm: Its time wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 7:39pm: Libs are doomed with Tony at the helm, I have a 3 word slogan, will not last. I also have a three word slogan.....We where warned!!! I will let you edit that
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Abbott - no deals. Reply #12 - Oct 31^st, 2014 at 11:07pm Again Australia's politicians will be strung up by their words. Promising no deals with minor parties sounds like a good thing in principle until you realise that's how parliament works, and is 100% necessary to pass legislation in all but a majority house of reps and senate (God help us if that happens).
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Re: Abbott - no deals.
Reply #13 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 8:31am

____ wrote on Oct 31^st, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Seems Abbott is in a race with himself to be the biggest liar on the planet.

The election of the

Abbott government

- based on a record

MASSIVE series of LIES

- has opened the flood-gates to a

very bad

( ... and probably irreversible)

trend in elections and politics, in this country

"Blind Freddy"

could see - from consistent polling - that had the

LibNats

gone to the election with their TRUE AGENDA
of ...

1. Introducing a new medical services tax

2. A six month wait after retrenchment, for any unemployment welfare assistance

3. Axing promised "on the same ticket as Labor" Gonski education reforms

4. Slowing the rate of aged pension increases

5. Hockey's "war on the poor" - as revealed by Treasury figures

6. Funding cuts to ABC and SBS broadcasting services

... the

LibNats

would NOT
have won the 2013 Federal Election

And it "justifies"

Labor

lying their arses off, in 2016, on the argument

"we had no choice, to create an even playing field"

when up against the

LibNats

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Reply #14 - Nov 1^st, 2014 at 8:39am

political realities dictate what you do. Given that labor opposes most govt legistalion and the greens oppose every bill no matter what (with labor as well) then Abbott has no choice but to negotiate with the cross-benchers.

but you seem to not understand the meaning of 'deals'. Gillard made a deal with the greens for their support (such as it was) and it was to bring in the carbon tax she categorically promised not to do. You all seemed happy with that. She promised the Twin Traitors all manner of funding to get their two votes and of course Wilkie... poor old Wilkie. She promised him anything and everything (and deliver nothing). they are DEALS.

Palmer wanted retrospective removal of the CT. Abbott refused.
Palmer wanted a Senate enquiry into QLD. Abbott refused
Palmer has wanted a number of other 'deals'. Abbott refused

IN essence, Abbott has negotiated passage of contentious legislation by the content of the bills themselves. No side deals. no promises for special this or special that.

this is the kind of favour-free leadership we have craved for a number of years. No wonder you don't recognise it.

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